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9to5 Jobs vs Making Money online

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by 21Savage, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. 21Savage

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    It seems that more and more people in this forum and new age millennials think that the traditional 9-5 job is for losers and corporate zombies. They all have ambitions of making money online and giving the finger to 'the man'. "Having a 9 to 5 is for chumps" they say. However, from my experience the vast majority of people online are the chumps.

    So my background, currently in my final year at a prestigious school in a very prestigious program. I am currently at a cross roads to decide whether I want to take on a real job when I graduate or focus on this online thing. I have been doing SEO work for about the last year. I currently have about an 100 site PBN network so that should tell you the level of money and efforts i have invested into this work. And i have to say I don't think its worth it. Below are some reasons why im leaning more towards giving up on this whole internet marketing thing.

    Why making money online isn't worth it.
    - The returns on my websites aren't that great (This could be a personal issue)
    - I find myself working long hours much longer than a typical 9-5er
    - I am often paranoid of being de-indexed or being exposed to negative SEO
    - Most of the work is done in isolation. spending long hours by myself, making me super anti social
    - The work itself SUCKS! It is mindless and repetitive, work that I can't outsource


    Why a 9-5 is actually better
    - My starting salary right out of college would be 70-75K(USD) which is much more significant than what I am making currently.
    - I would speculate 95% of people doing online marketing don't make more than 5K per month, the failure rate is too high
    - When you clock out of a 9-5 you clock out
    - You have 100 days off + about 15 days of paid vacation
    - Benefits of working in a corporate culture are great ie; health care, discount tickets to events etc.

    To me it seems like this make money online thing was sold as a dream, an unrealistic one. I am not disagreeing with the fact there are a number of successes, especially on this forum. I am arguing that for that small percentage that got the results their hours of work and type of work outweigh the benefits. You also have to look at the fact that this line of work isn't sustainable. You are at the mercy of all these major corporations that would flip policy overnight. and its not like it has happened.

    I didn't mean to bring the energy down or anything like that, I just wanted to shed some light into a more realistic landscape of what it is like to make money online. Would love to read some comments that hopefully encourage me to stay on this route.
     
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    wokr at your job and fund your online internet marketing projects. Making that kind of money can give you enough play money to waste to see if IM is really worth it or not for you
     
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    I am not sure why you or anyone thinks it is a one or the other thing. Online marketing is purely an income stream and a wealth building exercise. If you have a salaried job and have set aside your necessary emergency fund, you should absolutely be investing, and online real estate is a form of investment. Same goes for online earnings, you should be taking it and diversifying.
     
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    I think YOU are the chump for assuming this bullshit! I got respect for people who live those lives and I have lived like that for many years but I don't do well working for a boss and this gives me the freedom to provide for myself.



    Damn, I don't get upset quickly but you are full of sh*t! Just because you are not innovative and passionate enough doesn't mean the rest is like that.

    But go quit, less competition for us, I wish you all the best with your future 9 to 5 job.
     
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  6. drogon

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    I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Making money online is not necessarily a straight choice between a 9-5 and IM. Most successful IMers start with a job and do IM on the side. And ONLY quit work when your income online is good enough to do so and also when the business is stable enough. Depending on the industry you work in, you will learn alot of skills from work that can be transfered into IM. Eg, processes, procedures, prioritising etc etc.

    Re the money, if you earn $35k a year in IM with total freedom to eg travel for a year is worth more that $75k sitting in an office for a year! The 'New Rich' are not richer $$ wise but rather they can use their limited time on this earth to do what they want and not stuck with some stupid job title and meaningless projects that count for nothing 100 years from now when all on this board will be dead.

    If you are a fresh graduate then i would say go work a 9 - 5 and use the income to help fund your IM career. And successful IM nowadays is not just about having a PBN and but actually building a successful brand online.
     
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  7. MrPCP

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    I hate to sound like some preacher, but money really isn't everything in life. If you enjoy IM and make $20k less than a coorprate job then consider that 20k as an opportunity cost for doing something you enjoy.

    If you rather sit 9-5 and work for "the man" then do that. It really depends on you as a person, yes a lot of people fail when it comes to IM. You clearly have not, but if you do not enjoy it then don't persue it it's that simple. I would have thought someone who goes to a prestigious college/university would understand that money isn't a life long objective, it's about finding something you enjoy then doing it. (May I add I am in a global top 1% university, studying a competitive course).

    I am not saying I am doing IM when I leave or going into a coorprate job, just simply stating if you don't enjoy something, don't do it. Money shouldn't come into that equation.

    Sorry for the rant BHW members :p
     
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    Why making money online is worth it:
    - Passionate people (which you clearly aren't) will one day make over $1000/day.
     
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    Ironically, the dream you've been sold is that corporate structure is a pleasant environment when it most certainly isn't. There are many downsides to the 9-5 world, but I honestly don't think you're hungry enough for IM based on what you said.
     
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    Here's the thing, most people ain't at a prestigious school in a very prestigious program though, are they?

    I'd go out on a limb and say most people who want to get into IM are working dead end jobs or poor students etc, not silver spooned twats who've had a good hand dealt to them early on in life.

    If your only choice was to work in a fucking factory for 10 hours at £7.20 an hour (if you're lucky), or sit at your computer for a couple hours a day and match that income, you'd be singing a different tune, buddy.
     
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    None of those two options is better than the other. They both have their up and downsides.
    And even if you're good at IM doesn't mean IM is the way to go.

    Yes you can make big bucks from it. Definitely. But it's an unreliable income. A little bit like gambling.
    And you work 24/7/365 - especially when you're starting something new.

    I for myself will go and get a "real" job after I've finished studying. IM was always more like a hobby for me. (It's pretty cool if you can answer the question "How could you afford that laptop?" with youtube moniez :D)

    I think especially when you're from a third world country IM is a good choice, as even in hard times, everyone can do $400 per month if they focus on that which is enough to live. But for me it's just not worth it to go for IM as I will earn just fine when I go for a real job because I can't take risks atm and I wouldn't be able to live off 400 bucks.


    Believing this might help you to stay motivated but this is just wrong.
    That's just what the ones that succeeded tell you. That's what they all have in common: They were all passionate about their business.
    But you are forgetting to take into account all the ones who were passionate about their business but failed in the end.

    I believe this is a common cognitive bias, but can't remember its scientific name.
     
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    As a 15 year old still in high school, 70k is close to impossible for me. However, I can work towards the goal if 70K+ on the side as I'd rather work towards a better future than playing games all day and hoping that I will get a $70k job after college. Again, it's all perspective, so I'm your case, it might be better for you, but in my eyes, working for the 70k without having to work for a boss is a lot better.

    As I believe Mark Cuban once said, I'd rather make 50k annually working for myself than make 100k annually working for a boss.
     
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    IM isn't just seo. Your title should be 9to5 vs seo
     
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    Also, IM is amazing because you can work from wherever you want. I would rather work for myself for 6 hours a day making 4k a month rather then work 8 hours a day and make 10k a day and have a boss and live in the US.

    Making 4k a month is awesome. Move to Thailand and live like a king. Go to coworking spaces, go to the beach, live life.

    You can get a 3500 square foot pent house in the best location for $1500 a month. Even $400 for a apartment gets you a nice one. You can eat at 5 star restaurants every day and still afford it. And you work for yourself.
     
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    OP Get urself a sleeping bag and a pillow bitch @nikchaing
     
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    I find it hilarious that you are judging millenials when you are one yourself... Which is probably the biggest millenial stereotype, your no different than any other fucking millenial you douchenozzle.

    Every millenial i know is hustling the fuck out of life to try and make money, it has nothing to do with "giving the finger to the man", it has to do with getting filthy fucking rich, and your chance at wealth is somewhat capped at traditional jobs.

    I work 80 hours a week in my finance job, do IM, and have a thriving social life. The fact is, your going to be "average" for the rest of your life if you depend strictly on traditional employment. IM gives you the opportunity to be extradorinary.
     
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    Most people working 9 - 5 jobs dream of winning the lottery (financial freedom). I would say you have far better chances of financial freedom in IM than winning the lottery.
     
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    I think your view of IM is incredibly narrow. SEO is just one aspect, and PBN's are merely a tool to help you rank. What you decide to rank will determine how much fun you have with this.

    Want to work with clients? You can startban agency and make 70K+ pretty easily if you are decent at sales.

    Want to work on building a brand? Pick an industry or topic that you love and enjoy, and build your brand around that.

    Look into paid traffic sources if SEO isn't your thing. They are far more analytical and the results can come a lot faster. Again, seo and paid traffic are merely a way to generate visitors .. What you send those visitors to is up to you.

    Build a BUSINESS. Build a BRAND.

    Learn a bit more about IM and business in general, and your viewpoint will change.
     
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    Chances are anyone who's created a signification amount of income in a certain field has done work they hated. It ain't all sunshine and rainbows.

    Sounds like you don't want it enough and are finding reasons as to why it's not working for you.
     
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    Its all about weighing it on a scale personally. In your situation it actually sounds like taking the job is ideal. When it comes to somebody with a good degree, and that can work at a decent salary job that won't work them 70 hours a week, its not so bad. I still would prefer online income and freedom, but like you said that can be hard to pull off. You could EASILY take that job, make some money, and keep working IM on the side.

    It can be a tough grind to reach that income with IM. However if you were deciding between starting from scratch it is a bit different, as degrees or connections in the job world can take time.

    Switching that up might take out the burnout affect, or if you decide to just quit altogether thats up to you. It can be a stress off your mind.

    However there are many not in your situation. For me I would have to spend long hours just applying to get a foot in the door at alot of decent jobs, not even ones as good as your potential job.

    Due to background issues its harder for me to even get a 10$/hr IT related job, and most SEO / website jobs require slightly more skills than I have anyways. My main game is waiting tables, which is good money for low skills but not good forever. Also going to get a degree will take a while, but its my other option.

    Keep in mind im already 28, also been doing internet stuff for a while. In my situation its better to keep doing this, but if I kept going too long without earnings I would go get a degree. Honestly getting network certifications or a bachelors degree in IT can set you up nicely if you know what you are doing. I don't look down on 9-5 ers, but sometimes it can be very draining if you are not at the right career.
     
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    When you consider that the majority of the population in North America makes less than $30k per year, IM on the side doesn't sound so bad. While you might say that with hard work and determination everyone can get to $70k per year like you, that is simply impossible. How many restaurants/fast food chains would shut down because they can't support that high a pay grade for their staff? How many retailers? In our current society somebody has to do the blue collar jobs.

    Not to mention, majority of the people making money online are doing what they are passionate about. Bloggers are at the heart of the internet. People like us are here to make the system more efficient. We take out the love and care and throw in the outsourcing and scale (Think ford production lines). You might have a 100 site PBN making you $100 a day while someone may only have 1 site making them $5000 per article because their following has been growing for years. Even if your PBN made you the same amount of money, that blogger writing 1 article about something he or she loves is still going to take them less time and effort than your giant PBN about stuff you don't even care about and trust me, you can be the #1 fan of something at the start of the day but if you have to write and rewrite 100 articles about the same thing you aren't going to love it for long.

    I don't mean to rag on you, I really don't but it honestly sounds like you chose the wrong thing and that's okay. I tried Twitter Adult Promotion for half a year and it didn't work for me. I didn't love doing it, I was spending more time learning how to code in AutoIt so I could automate the process so I didn't have to do it myself rather than actually going through the process of growing my account. I gave up on the project, it didn't make me any money but I learned quite a bit about Twitter, coding and affiliate programs that I can now use for later projects. I am currently working on a smaller scale project, I am putting in a ton of time into it and I am enjoying every moment I spend on it. What I would suggest is you find something like that for yourself and do it on the side. Find something you love about IM and do that, focus on one thing at a time. If you can handle a PBN of 100 sites then just think of all you could do with one you were passionate above.
     
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