99% of People Are Building Backlinks All Wrong

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This won't be a big thread, since it doesn't need to be.

I still see almost everyone obsessed with garbage links. Forum posts, comments, mass crappy pbns and "guest posts", which aren't really guest posts, but just posts on trash made for selling posts sites.

I don't think people realize that when it comes to link building quality is *SO* important. When you're looking at the link profiles of sites and seeing 1000's of RDs, they are NOT ranking because they have 1000's of RDs. That's a SIDE EFFECT of their ranking and/or it's because they built a load of worthless links alongside good links.

Sites rank because of just a few good links. 5-10% of their link profile is usually doing 90-95% of the work.

You could build 100's upon 100's of these trash links and barely see any movement, but 4-5 strong contextuals from relevant sites will give you an enormous boost. Google ignores most of the links out there. They are looking for a small subset of what they deem as valuable and natural signals of trust and authority.

You will gain far more in the serps by geting 2-3 really good links every month than you will building 100 trash contextuals.

The general community seems to lag years behind what's working. And I don't know why people still keep building endless web 2's, profiles, directory links and other bottom of the barrel stuff. These things have not worked for a VERY LONG TIME.

If you want to succeed in your link building, then stop buying endless trash packages and focus on just getting a handful of top contextual links every month.

Create amazing informational content that people will want to link to. Sites don't like to link to highly commercial pages whether you're paying or not, because the best sites, the ones you WANT the links from are not making their money from selling guest posts. All these sites that take money for posts and accept any old crap are made to make money from selling links. There are huge networks of sites setup like this. Many of them just accept free guest posts and make some money off ads. It costs them nothing to run and there's always 100's of thousands of people who just want to buy "links".

A high quality niche site, DR5 to 50 with 5k to 30k traffic per month is FAR more valuable than a DR70 spam site. REGARDLESS of the traffic the spam site. Many of these made for guest post sites get 5k, 10k, 30k traffic per month because they have so much content, or they create content that targets high volume, useless low comp keywords that inflate traffic figures. A genuine topical site that is ranking for a few thousand keywords and getting a few thousand visitors a month will do much more for your rankings.

Content is absolutely key. I don't care what your niche is.

If you're running a boring old plumbing site you can still create endless useful content.


There's endless things you can do to your site to make it great quality and make it easier to get good links. You still have to do outreach and you still have to pay, but people are comfortable linking to useful content. What real blog wants to link to your plumbing site's homepage with the anchor "plumber nyc"?

A plumbing site could easily create tons of DIY stuff for the home beyond just plumbing. Get links into the juicy info, then with your proper virtual siloing setup you get a mega influx of juice flowing all round your site, ranking you for all the commercial stuff and informational stuff.

But yet, no one does this. People just buy a package of web 2's and "foundational links" for their plumbing client. :)

Start to change how you think about your SEO, guys and you'll see incredible results and absolutely crush your competitors.
 

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What do you think of RD 1000 sites with underwhelming traffic like 1000 or 5000? Are they still good?
 

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What do you think of RD 1000 sites with underwhelming traffic like 1000 or 5000? Are they still good?

Really depends on the site. Probably not by the sounds of it. That's more highlighting the point that lots of backlinks and/or high DR don't mean much.

If a site has an RD 1000 that's natural, it would be doing much better. The exception is if it's a small site not targeting much, but those are the exceptions.

If it's an RD 1000 that's got a lot of content and it's not ranking for much then the backlinks are probably trash that have been built by the owner.

Good backlinks are real articles, on real sites.
 

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To diversify comment is ok.
Forum too.
Usually having 30-50 pbn link does help when you start your blog.
I usually post a link with Ttf ( tropical trust flow from majestic seo) similar to my site
 

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But yet, no one does this. People just buy a package of web 2's and "foundational links" for their plumbing client. :)
What they surely should not do is buy pbns. Pbns are most unforgiving links to google. Web 2.0 are not.
 

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What they surely should not do is buy pbns. Pbns are most unforgiving links to google. Web 2.0 are not.

Ok. Good luck with your web 2's.

To diversify comment is ok.
Forum too.
Usually having 30-50 pbn link does help when you start your blog.
I usually post a link with Ttf ( tropical trust flow from majestic seo) similar to my site


You don't need to diversify. That's a myth. I've never done it and all my projects kill it.

You rank with good contextuals. Period. End of story.

Once you rank, your site will NATURALLY diversify its self with the links it picks up. You don't need to build 1000's of junk links to look legit. It in fact does the opposite.

Some sites will have a lot of real forum links, especially informational ones in topical niches. Comments, no. No one except the site owner is linking in comments. Forum profile links and all the other profile links other than a few of the higher quality business profiles are junk.

And forum post packages just get you spammy looking links that anyone can spot as being fake a mile away. This is not diverisfication. It's just adding spam to your link profile. It's a complete waste of time.

It's like training for a marathon. If you run 50 miles a week you are going to fucking kill it. If you also drink some sports rejuvination drink, you'll still kill it. That doesn't mean the sports drink is responsible for your success. It's completely superfluous and you could have just drank some water instead and still won your marathon. All the diverisifcation links are having no effect on your success. It's just pure psychology where you think it helps to have different types of links.
 
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Web 2.0 are not unforgiving links so they don't have to be lucky. Pbns needs all the luck they can get.

No offence, but this is just pure trash-talk.

What is "unforgiving"?

What "luck"? There's no luck. It's an algorithm looking for certain signals, not a slot machine.

Please be more specific. What specifically do you find more effective about web 2's compared with pbns? Have you ever actually ranked anything remotely competitive with web 2's? Can you point me to a case study showing me that web 2's are more effective than pbns?
 

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No offence, but this is just pure trash-talk.

What is "unforgiving"?

What "luck"? There's no luck. It's an algorithm looking for certain signals, not a slot machine.

Please be more specific. What specifically do you find more effective about web 2's compared with pbns? Have you ever actually ranked anything remotely competitive with web 2's? Can you point me to a case study showing me that web 2's are more effective than pbns?
I think he means that PBN can be very risky in most cases and you can get a Google penalty, which is not the case with Web 2.0.
Even If Web 2.0 doesn't help, it won't do any harm either.
 

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Web 2.0 are not unforgiving links so they don't have to be lucky. Pbns needs all the luck they can get.
Ever seen the big BH tells ranking with web 2.0?

It's a rhetorical question, just fyi
 

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I think he means that PBN can be very risky in most cases and you can get a Google penalty, which is not the case with Web 2.0.
Even If Web 2.0 doesn't help, it won't do any harm either.

What's the point in that? You may as well just go order a pizza and watch a tv show and hope your website ranks.

Why get links that won't help?

pbns are not "very risky" either. Half the forum is buying pbn links, including 100's of thousands of agencies throughout the world.

It's risky to buy 100's upon 100's of public pbns.

It's not risky to have a small amount of strong pbns. No one has ever been penalized for a couple dozen links. If it's that easy to get penalized why can't you just buy pbn links to all your competitors and watch them all die out?


And the funny thing is, I didn't list pbns as a way to get quality backlinks. I just talked about getting high quality contextuals and building good content, but people jump on me accusing me of promoting pbns because I run a pbn service. I actually said people SHOULDNT get a bunch of pbns and other crappy links, but should instead focus on quality.
 

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Guys,

PBNs are simple. If you are in SEO game for the profit only, then PBN's are your only choice for maximum profit.

If you don't choose PBN's, you don't understand SEO enough...
 

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Can I shoot you a few backlinks and you tell me if its good or not?

Sure, go for it.


Guys,

PBNs are simple. If you are in SEO game for the profit only, then PBN's are your only choice for maximum profit.

If you don't choose PBN's, you don't understand SEO enough...

Yeah, pbns are just super strong domains where you put your link on the homepage where all the juice is coming in.

It doesn't get much better than that. WIth a private pbn you can make it look as real as you want and as relevant as you want.

If anyone's that concerned about passing manual review there's nothing stopping them spending $1k on a strong domain, $100 on design, and another $500 to get about 20k words of content. It can look like a completely real site with that kind of budget.

A $20 domain with a basic theme and a few posts, sure, it looks like spam, but most pbns are pretty trashy and they last for years. It's not really manual penalties that hurt people, it's general google algorithmic updates which catch people.
 

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I would definitely agree with you, but Google in 2020 is more like a box of pralines, you never know whats inside.

As long as my niche (and many others I saw) is flooded with high authority profile pages, Pinterest and other high DA pages on page 1, I don't have any expectation.

I was always the guy who believed in quality, wrote superb content by myself, got natural links (as you wrote above), but unfortunately it doesn't matter how good your content is. It only matters how old/how much authority your website/domain got.

It is also quite interesting to see how fucking Pinterest HIJACKED the serps in basically every country with their country subdomain (fr.pinterest, it. pinterested, de.pinterest, etc.). Its like they became a version of Wikipedia, which is always ranking on page 1, no matter for what country. I don't think any social bookmark website like Pinterests (or also Facebook pages, Instagram accounts or Twitter profiles) should be ranked in the serps in the first place, instead being shown in a box somewhere in a corner.
 

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Sure, go for it.




Yeah, pbns are just super strong domains where you put your link on the homepage where all the juice is coming in.

It doesn't get much better than that. WIth a private pbn you can make it look as real as you want and as relevant as you want.

If anyone's that concerned about passing manual review there's nothing stopping them spending $1k on a strong domain, $100 on design, and another $500 to get about 20k words of content. It can look like a completely real site with that kind of budget.

A $20 domain with a basic theme and a few posts, sure, it looks like spam, but most pbns are pretty trashy and they last for years. It's not really manual penalties that hurt people, it's general google algorithmic updates which catch people.
My main competitor was getting 75k+ traffic before May update.
After may update, It fell flat to 10k per month.
Idk it was PBNs or something else. But as a newbie, my best guess is that they were using too many trashy PBN links.

That's the reason I'm scared of PBNs and prefer Naturally Acquired links, Niche Edits and Guest Posting.
 

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Yeah, pbns are just super strong domains where you put your link on the homepage where all the juice is coming in.
Just keep doin wachya doin, google won, just remember that.
 

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My main competitor was getting 75k+ traffic before May update.
After may update, It fell flat to 10k per month.
Idk it was PBNs or something else. But as a newbie, my best guess is that they were using too many trashy PBN links.

That's the reason I'm scared of PBNs and prefer Naturally Acquired links, Niche Edits and Guest Posting.

If a site is getting 75k+ traffic, and they get it from pbns, and their site gets deindexed after 1 year, how much profit do you think they made? Because to me a ban is worth it if you make enough profit. This guy probably made a fortune, and with 10k+ traffic left, he still is making tons of profit..
 

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If a site is getting 75k+ traffic, and they get it from pbns, and their site gets deindexed after 1 year, how much profit do you think they made? Because to me a ban is worth it if you make enough profit. This guy probably made a fortune, and with 10k+ traffic left, he still is making tons of profit..
Yes, It is good for churn and burn.
But for a long term authority project, I will still consider all the risk factors.
 

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It is also quite interesting to see how fucking Pinterest HIJACKED the serps in basically every country with their country subdomain (fr.pinterest, it. pinterested, de.pinterest, etc.). Its like they became a version of Wikipedia, which is always ranking on page 1, no matter for what country. I don't think any social bookmark website like Pinterests (or also Facebook pages, Instagram accounts or Twitter profiles) should be ranked in the serps in the first place, instead being shown in a box somewhere in a corner.

This part is crazy, we now have SERPs with main Pinterest results.
 
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