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6 Niche sites 3 months old, 90% spam content, 1 ranked overnite, 3 climbing, 2 DEAD?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tykesmurf, Jan 14, 2015.

  1. tykesmurf

    tykesmurf Newbie

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    Need some ideas if people could chip in their thoughts or ideas. I'm thinking, penalties, sandbox, time??

    We built 6 different sites, different niches, different hosting etc about 3 months ago.

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    1 site ranked overnight to #3 in yahoo and has had traffic since day 1 and produced a steady income via Yahoo and is now finally doing the Google dance in and out of 55th spot.

    3 sites are ranking in the top 100 in yahoo, one is ranking in top 100 google and slowly climbing.

    2 have never had a ranking inside the top 1000 in google, but are ranking in yahoo/bing in the 100-200 range.

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    Our competitive research includes Moz kw difficult, # of all in titles, # of pages for choosing the niche, all seemed fairly easy. In the 30 range in Moz scoring.

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    Based on our domain research all domains were brand new, never owned. We know this likely will cause google to shun them for quite some time while they age.

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    All sites have had link building campaigns dripping links 4 tiers deep with only articles, wikis and web 2.0's on the main tiers supplemented by blog comments, image comments etc. About 2 links a week on average on tier 1 directly linking to money site. All tier contextual links are do follow, with a good mixture of PR.

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    All 6 sites have 1500 word articles on the home page + 5 pages of scraped spun very readable content with videos and images in them.


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    I'm sure there's more that could factors here, but does anyone has any ideas what could be holding the 2 remaining sites from even getting a nod from Google?

    3 months isn't long, we know, so I'm going to do another case study where I build a expired domain the same way to see if something surfaces about the methods.
     
  2. Golonzo

    Golonzo Junior Member

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    It could be your anchor texts. Did you vary your anchor text for the last two websites.
     
  3. tykesmurf

    tykesmurf Newbie

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    Good question Golonzo,

    That's always something I worry about especially with automated link building. We try to make sure we're reasonably diverse. Less than 10% exact match, partial match, secondary match. The rest naked urls and generic words.

    Here's a sample chart of our link profile on one of the sites.

    31% is other.

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    I think this chart is slightly deceptive as there are only about 50 links on this tier (which could be the problem? too little?) so it appears to have this crazy footprint, while the 6% is likely a single link. If that makes sense.
     
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  4. Golonzo

    Golonzo Junior Member

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    Looks like you varied the anchor text well. I'm assuming its 10% for exact, another 10% for partial and another 10 for secondary.

    You could try social signals on the last two. Also different niches may have different ranking tactics. Are the niches the last two websites are in, have spammed to death websites ranking on the first page?
     
  5. tykesmurf

    tykesmurf Newbie

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    Great question! They appear to be pretty much prisitine niches.

    In one of the niches there is an existing Affiliate site. Appears to have a pretty strong PBN behind it, but has lost a lot of it's links on the tier 1 sites so it's slipping in ranking. They also have a recent flood of parasite links coming in, but that doesn't seem to be helping too much. They've slipped from #1 to #10 in the past 3 months. Otherwise, the niche is just product sites, amazon, ebay, target, walmart etc. Not much to tackle or so it seems from my experience.

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  6. wisdomkid

    wisdomkid Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I think site age now plays a firm role in google ranking. Won't it be nice if you wait a couple of months and drop in some authority links per week?
     
  7. tykesmurf

    tykesmurf Newbie

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    I agree. It's cloudy though why some sites rank instantly, even though we heavily research each domain prior to buying to verify it's history. We're doing some case studies with expiring and expired domains too. This will help us frame some of the results we're getting.

    Perhaps I'll try to get some good write ups done for BHW. It won't help the veterans here, but may help some of the fresher faces like myself. We've learned a lot in just 6 months with link building.
     
  8. Laura4233

    Laura4233 Newbie

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    As you know, the Pigeon update is what makes it tougher on newer sites to rank. Before it was pretty easy for a blackhatters to just build tons of links to their sites, but now Google takes serious consideration of a domains' age and authority and page rank and the amount of unique indexed site content. I've had this problem with my site ever since this update. I was previously ranking really high with just black hat links, but now, after the update, all the others who've been around 10 years and have over 20k indexed site pages totally demolished me. It sucks.
     
  9. tykesmurf

    tykesmurf Newbie

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    Sorry to hear about your site. Unfortunatlely we're all trying to stay ahead of the updates I suppose. Oh goog. It's a vicious reality banking your livelyhood on a search engine. :-/

    Thanks for sharing your experience.

    We actually had a severe duplicate content penalty back in Aug on 2 sites where we installed a plugin and unknown to us it created a horrendous mess of duplicated tags, categories and such. Thankfully after 2 months in the box the sites recovered + loads of hours of cleanup.

    We've definitely seen the sandbox issue with goog and their affinity to new domains. I'm very curious what we will find using expired and expiring domains.

    We recently picked up super clean domain with excellent link profile dating back to 2005, threw it up on a blog and had DA 35 and PA 45 instantly. We intended to use this as PBN site so we've been dripping articles to it on relevant topics and to our surprise the articles are getting natural backlinks and have increased in PA on their own. Kind of a hilarious accident. Just shows how critical age is as a factor for ranking.

    I'll try to update this thread or perhaps find the time when we get some other fires put out to share the case study of new domain vs expired domain vs expiring domain. Though at this point I kind of want to try that PBN site as a money site for some long tail stuff. I'll try to restrain myself. :)