6-7 figure web designers?

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I have a small web design business, but I am curious if anyone is a successful 6-7 figure web designer? I would like to make 7k/mo minimum but ideally I would want 30k/mo. I just want to know if so, what models you follow, do you niche down, how do you market, what pricing? Are there any business plans/models out there I can follow that can be replicated, like a docx+xls business plan format download?

Also, If not, and you are a 6-7 figure web designer, how are you achieving this? Any advice? Do I just start small and try to grow or do I need to niche down+create the framework first?

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Fungames
 
You can aspire to reach a low 6 figures if you are like a magician by your own and I know people that got there.

But if you want to really get to 7-figure you need to scale with a team.

7 figure are only for sales oriented profiles, not for technicians (unless you discover a weird goldmine out of the blue)
 
You can aspire to reach a low 6 figures if you are like a magician by your own and I know people that got there.

But if you want to really get to 7-figure you need to scale with a team.

7 figure are only for sales oriented profiles, not for technicians (unless you discover a weird goldmine out of the blue)
Wow. Sales oriented profiles. So I have to have a landing page with a capture form and try to pump a lot of sales? Do I advertise with FB ads?

Can you give an example of a pricing model that could push 7 figures? Should I focus on recurring subscriptions like unlimited graphic design for $650/mo or do something like fixed price or fixed price+monthly retainer and secure some 1 year contracts?

Are there any business models that can pump 7 figures as a solo-entrepreneur right now? Maybe not web design?

I will probably stick with craigslist for 1 more month and if I get no sales, I will cold-email, if cold emailing does not work - I will definitely try FB ads.

Thanks,
Fungames
 
Value of web design as far as business goes is not high. I think you should think about selling a product that you can sell a lot of times to many people and not businesses.

Otherwise, build apps or software nobody else can build or it'd be very expensive.

Web design is aiming too low. I think SEO and selling links would make you more.

Well, if you can design and study landing pages according to marketing principles and testing a/b stuff, you might get some interest of businesses. Business always needs sales and leads. Websites aren't needed non-stop and there's too many people doing that for amount of work available.

Unless it's super niche high conversion landing pages which carry marketing value. Not pretty candy designs that in fact distract people.

Ps physical construction is more lucrative.
 
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Value of web design as far as business goes is not high. I think you should think about selling a product that you can sell a lot of times to many people and not businesses.
Yea, I don't know, I find a lot of people rather pay $5000 and work face to face with quality design and good customer service than pay someone $299 and get it done online and host it themselves. The people who spend $299 are usually low budget, young adults 18-30 year olds and already know about fiver, themeforest and logoworks anyways. Most businesses I've interacted with are established or wealthy start-ups that enjoy working with someone local for the b2b in person interaction.

I mean DesignJoy makes 1.3M/year as a solo artist, so the business is not dead. I just struggle with product or software ideas and I am already good at web design.
 
Yea, I don't know, I find a lot of people rather pay $5000 and work face to face with quality design and good customer service than pay someone $299 and get it done online and host it themselves. The people who spend $299 are usually low budget, young adults 18-30 year olds and already know about fiver, themeforest and logoworks anyways. Most businesses I've interacted with are established or wealthy start-ups that enjoy working with someone local for the b2b in person interaction.

I mean DesignJoy makes 1.3M/year as a solo artist, so the business is not dead. I just struggle with product or software ideas and I am already good at web design.
My simple solution is to do business where idiots become millionaires. You can't really find that great companies doing web design.

There's a reason big companies don't specialize in it. It's simply too small cake to care about it. It's just displaying information which is literally like 1 piece of 100 puzzles in business.

I don't care about few passionate people as it's too small sample size to prove anything.

There are 8 billion in the world. One person in 8 billion is like Bill Gates.

Is Bill Gates making $1m? No, way more. So I look at such people and just do smaller things with similar approaches to expansion where they're applicable. And for sure it's not web design.
 
My simple solution is to do business where idiots become millionaires. You can't really find that great companies doing web design.

There's a reason big companies don't specialize in it. It's simply too small cake to care about it. It's just displaying information which is literally like 1 piece of 100 puzzles in business.

I don't care about few passionate people as it's too small sample size to prove anything.

There are 8 billion in the world. One person in 8 billion is like Bill Gates.

Is Bill Gates making $1m? No, way more. So I look at such people and just do smaller things with similar approaches to expansion where they're applicable. And for sure it's not web design.
Hmmm, maybe I should just get into Basketball, Join the NBA and become the next Michael Jordan.
 
Hmmm, maybe I should just get into Basketball, Join the NBA and become the next Michael Jordan.
Now if you can understand what business is all about is finding that damn opportunity that is either thing a or b.

When it comes to NBA, of course YouTube and Google will do. Now building a channel up to a few hundred subscribers in a month, you get some value.

Now if you make that same thing in 10000 different configurations, you have a nice amount of channels.and businss opportunity.

Or you can promote stupid books about web design to fools who think this works. Haha it doesn't work. Because they do it because they want it and they don't do it because it works.

If it works, you want 10000 repeats of that working thing.

But if it stops working on 10th repetition, it's not gonna be good. You're gonna get stuck and you're gonna live at $100k per month maybe. Then another dude will have $10m a year cause he did something with better business value.

Basically, if you could only have 10 computers, you wouldn't achieve much. That's the same with businesses. You cannot just work for 10 businesses. It's not enough.

I want to reach all the businesses and people in the world. Why not?

Now this is a weak idea to do web design. Jf you execute it well, there's some money to pay for bills and maybe get a house. No more than that. I want extremely good idea and insane execution.
 
Sure you can make 7 or even 8 figures doing web design.

I personally made 6 figures the summer after I "learned web design" during one of my college school years. By then it was the early 2010s, all I did was pick up the phone, cold call less than 200 law offices with the most rudimentary proposal, not even a website or a portfolio, but I came off as uniquely passionate and those 200 calls led to about ~8 sales appointments. I think 2 of them were basically no shows but every other one was a yes except for one of them who harshly rejected me. Then I made them simple WP theme websites that looked pretty cool, and then after doing a pretty solid delivery, I upsold them on blog post monthly subscriptions that were $5k per month, SMM, and email autoresponder setup with ebook lead magnets.

This was not any harder than it would have been had I taken a job that summer, and don't give me that "cold calling is dead." Yeah right, maybe it's down 30% or something, but people said the same thing at the time and that's just an excuse. Human to human communication is never going away and ~40% of people will still pick up the phone. Also, they ALL pick up their business line. Consumer telemarketing might be dead due to all the scams but B2B calls are still fire, especially these days when you can have them look you up while you're on the call if they're skeptical.

Be the one guy who picks up the phone and makes 200 sales calls a day... every business owner knows how tough that is and how rare it is to come across the real entrepreneur who's willing to do that on his own initiative. Business owners will hear you out way more than you think because they'll respect your hustle, be able to immediately sense what level you're actually on inside, and want to go along with you on the journey to greatness.

You're not going to tell me you won't get a couple deals if you 1) do that every day until you're booked out 2) you use actually research-driven, proven sales approaches at every possible touchpoint and 3) have a clear brand and purpose laid out from the beginning and 4) actually have something good to offer that's the exact opposite of the sketchy half-baked novice garbage most people try to hawk (sounds like you do since you are talking about actually having skills as a designer first not just "what's the best get rich quick side hustle!?" like your competition these days).

Hell if you wanted to keep your job as a basic saleman for an agency you would be expected to close a minimum quota of $75k per month in business working your laid back 40 hour shift. You're going to tell me you can't handle that when it's your own business, you're keeping all the profits which are over 50%, you can build up to scaling massively, and you're building equity every month you're going along? Really? Come on man!

To give you an example, I used to be on the advisory board of a local professional organization with about 150 members and an annual budget of only about $1 million. They spent $175k to pay a local freelance designer to build a relatively simple but BEAUTIFUL ~10 page website. So don't give me the "I don't know bro, the $75k per month is impossible to hit for x, y, and z excuses." No it's not, you just need to actually be a little serious and have your activity aligned with what you do: if you want to just be a designer you can actually still make 6 figures a month doing that BUT you still have to be a hustler and in that case you'll also need a relatively rare gift for design. You'll get to that skill level pretty quick if the actual goal of every project you take is to make the best website ever... then you're going to continuously optimize along those lines. But it's going to be way easier, surer, and quicker to get to the $100k per month mark if you're the salesman, partnership creator, and entrepreneur.

If you don't understand this you probably shouldn't be in business: you'll get to 7 or 8 figures in web design in exactly the same way you would get there in manufacturing, landscaping, construction, you name it. You're going to hustle clients, outsource to scale production, develop sustainable bases of differentiation, reinvest earnings to get a huge leg up on the masses of your competitors that are out for a quick buck, research the hell out of your product, gather very detailed intelligence about your competitors etc. The money is in the SELLING and marketing, which includes the product, but not the work itself.

It's also how you slice it, some people could consider let's say Elegant Themes or even nearly any SaaS company, even AirBnB, as web design companies way back when they first got started. What they did is, as they went along, they started diving deeper into a specific idea and then scaling that out in a unique way.

What they did was they were smart, formed partnerships, seized opportunities, took risks.

In this way you can make 10 figures a year in literally any field. I'm not saying there's anything close to a guaranteed path to that level, but there is for sure a guaranteed path to 8 figures a year by taking action over a long sustained period, hustling hard, talking to a ridiculous amount of people, using your brain a little, outsourcing the actual production, indefinitely reinvesting the profits back into your sales funnel, etc. That's actually really hard in terms of the amount of work and sacrifices in your personal life and it's not for most people, including myself. But it will always work unless something crazy happens.

On a lower, shorter-term level, 7 figs a year is 100% guaranteed in my experience if you just hustle clients and outsource without even innovating or doing much reinvestment. Hell I know a salesman who makes a 10% commission for selling digital agency services who thinks he's a baller because he makes over $100k a per month and talks up how he sells 7 figures a month. The guy he works for probably makes 3 times what he does every time he makes a sale.

You're starting a web design agency so no excuse to not do the same thing. Sales pipelines, TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WON'T FLINCH AT PAYING A 10X PREMIUM FOR A JOB WELL DONE, and hustle.
 
Sure you can make 7 or even 8 figures doing web design.

I personally made 6 figures the summer after I "learned web design" during one of my college school years. By then it was the early 2010s, all I did was pick up the phone, cold call less than 200 law offices with the most rudimentary proposal, not even a website or a portfolio, but I came off as uniquely passionate and those 200 calls led to about ~8 sales appointments. I think 2 of them were basically no shows but every other one was a yes except for one of them who harshly rejected me. Then I made them simple WP theme websites that looked pretty cool, and then after doing a pretty solid delivery, I upsold them on blog post monthly subscriptions that were $5k per month, SMM, and email autoresponder setup with ebook lead magnets.

This was not any harder than it would have been had I taken a job that summer, and don't give me that "cold calling is dead." Yeah right, maybe it's down 30% or something, but people said the same thing at the time and that's just an excuse. Human to human communication is never going away and ~40% of people will still pick up the phone. Also, they ALL pick up their business line. Consumer telemarketing might be dead due to all the scams but B2B calls are still fire, especially these days when you can have them look you up while you're on the call if they're skeptical.

Be the one guy who picks up the phone and makes 200 sales calls a day... every business owner knows how tough that is and how rare it is to come across the real entrepreneur who's willing to do that on his own initiative. Business owners will hear you out way more than you think because they'll respect your hustle, be able to immediately sense what level you're actually on inside, and want to go along with you on the journey to greatness.

You're not going to tell me you won't get a couple deals if you 1) do that every day until you're booked out 2) you use actually research-driven, proven sales approaches at every possible touchpoint and 3) have a clear brand and purpose laid out from the beginning and 4) actually have something good to offer that's the exact opposite of the sketchy half-baked novice garbage most people try to hawk (sounds like you do since you are talking about actually having skills as a designer first not just "what's the best get rich quick side hustle!?" like your competition these days).

Hell if you wanted to keep your job as a basic saleman for an agency you would be expected to close a minimum quota of $75k per month in business working your laid back 40 hour shift. You're going to tell me you can't handle that when it's your own business, you're keeping all the profits which are over 50%, you can build up to scaling massively, and you're building equity every month you're going along? Really? Come on man!

To give you an example, I used to be on the advisory board of a local professional organization with about 150 members and an annual budget of only about $1 million. They spent $175k to pay a local freelance designer to build a relatively simple but BEAUTIFUL ~10 page website. So don't give me the "I don't know bro, the $75k per month is impossible to hit for x, y, and z excuses." No it's not, you just need to actually be a little serious and have your activity aligned with what you do: if you want to just be a designer you can actually still make 6 figures a month doing that BUT you still have to be a hustler and in that case you'll also need a relatively rare gift for design. You'll get to that skill level pretty quick if the actual goal of every project you take is to make the best website ever... then you're going to continuously optimize along those lines. But it's going to be way easier, surer, and quicker to get to the $100k per month mark if you're the salesman, partnership creator, and entrepreneur.

If you don't understand this you probably shouldn't be in business: you'll get to 7 or 8 figures in web design in exactly the same way you would get there in manufacturing, landscaping, construction, you name it. You're going to hustle clients, outsource to scale production, develop sustainable bases of differentiation, reinvest earnings to get a huge leg up on the masses of your competitors that are out for a quick buck, research the hell out of your product, gather very detailed intelligence about your competitors etc. The money is in the SELLING and marketing, which includes the product, but not the work itself.

It's also how you slice it, some people could consider let's say Elegant Themes or even nearly any SaaS company, even AirBnB, as web design companies way back when they first got started. What they did is, as they went along, they started diving deeper into a specific idea and then scaling that out in a unique way.

What they did was they were smart, formed partnerships, seized opportunities, took risks.

In this way you can make 10 figures a year in literally any field. I'm not saying there's anything close to a guaranteed path to that level, but there is for sure a guaranteed path to 8 figures a year by taking action over a long sustained period, hustling hard, talking to a ridiculous amount of people, using your brain a little, outsourcing the actual production, indefinitely reinvesting the profits back into your sales funnel, etc. That's actually really hard in terms of the amount of work and sacrifices in your personal life and it's not for most people, including myself. But it will always work unless something crazy happens.

On a lower, shorter-term level, 7 figs a year is 100% guaranteed in my experience if you just hustle clients and outsource without even innovating or doing much reinvestment. Hell I know a salesman who makes a 10% commission for selling digital agency services who thinks he's a baller because he makes over $100k a per month and talks up how he sells 7 figures a month. The guy he works for probably makes 3 times what he does every time he makes a sale.

You're starting a web design agency so no excuse to not do the same thing. Sales pipelines, TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WON'T FLINCH AT PAYING A 10X PREMIUM FOR A JOB WELL DONE, and hustle.
This is the exact post I needed to hear. Is cold calling required, or can cold emailing work too? Like submitting layout proposals via email?

I will stick to CL for a month. If it fails, I will move onto cold emailing. If it fails, I will do FB ads, if that fails, I will do cold calling.
 
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This is the exact post I needed to hear. Is cold calling required, or can cold emailing work too? Like submitting layout proposals via email?

I will stick to CL for a month. If it fails, I will move onto cold emailing. If it fails, I will do FB ads, if that fails, I will do cold calling.
Cold emailing works for sure. LI dms might be more effective. Both are the same effect. Use it for nurturing though, focus on the business benefits. Your conversion is getting them to agree to a meeting. Best if you do the meeting in person at their office, that way it's harder to no show, easiest to build rapport/a real relationship, and highest close rate.
 
Cold emailing works for sure. LI dms might be more effective. Both are the same effect. Use it for nurturing though, focus on the business benefits. Your conversion is getting them to agree to a meeting. Best if you do the meeting in person at their office, that way it's harder to no show, easiest to build rapport/a real relationship, and highest close rate.
Thank you,

LI dms? dm = direct message but what is LL? or Li?
 
What do you mean by - use them for nurturing though, focus on the business benefits?
 
This business sounds like hell for expert salesman. If you want to be a salesman, I'd go straight to real estate.

However, it's not a role that fits 99.7% of population. It's like being a politic or a priest. Not everyone can do.

Hence I recommend to do idiot level business and learn from that instead jumping into deep waters. You can go to CyberJunkie threads and he has explained those things, but nobody wanted to do that. Literally few people.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/v...-yield-pro-tips-for-28k-weekends-q-a.1383462/

It's the same crap. Just selling, selling, selling. Bleh.

I know it doesn't sound as exciting as closing $1m value site with 100 pages, but hey, who said you need to sell high ticket items.

Business is something you create with your damn visions and don't let anyone get in the way no matter how good their ideas sound.

That vision needs to be in tact with your values / personality or you'll hate it like most businessmen start to hate it once they enter the wrong thing.

I feel like designers and salesman are working on a very similar basis. They can either leverage perceived value or will get lost. And I don't like it. I don't like that the only thing you can do in it is manipulate pricing using some techniques.

I like engineering / building and marketing combination more. Design and selling is like having to pretend 24/7. Just makes you feel like dead in many cases. Who doesn't like business without all the business. I love it..

I need to be careful about these corporate shills. Plenty of them around overselling to businesses, huh. They'll always use terms nobody else understand beyond their circles. It's easy to say whether someone is a salesman or a marketer. Clear difference in behavior.

A salesman will clusterfuck something so much nobody will understand it and he will convince everyone that he has the ultimate solution, whether it's good or bad. An engineer will just provide a real solution they build and sell it to a number of people using marketing.
 
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You may reach that numbers if you can code whole large websites from scratch with plenty of functionalities.
 
You may reach that numbers if you can code whole large websites from scratch with plenty of functionalities.
This is not my specialty. I specialize in FrontEnd UX/UI. Actually, if I was a little more skilled, I could charge $50k/project for custom work, but I am still a junior designer. I also do not want to get to that level with the way AI is looking. I suspect it will be 2-3 years before ai is doing the level of work I can do from scratch, and 5-10 years before its doing work like current studios are that charge $50k/site.

So working on this type of skillset for frontend design, might be completely pointless. Tbh, I think its best for me to just drive sales at my current quality level/skillset or find a way to create websites like 2advanced.com

AI may never design full websites as good as 2advanced did - due to the fact that there is no Sample Data to feed the AI so that it knows what type of coo a website that could be built with 3D elements, flashy transitions, hovers etc.

2advanced.com is also returning in 2024.
 
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This is not my specialty. I specialize in FrontEnd UX/UI. Actually, if I was a little more skilled, I could charge $50k/project for custom work, but I am still a junior designer. I also do not want to get to that level with the way AI is looking. I suspect it will be 2-3 years before ai is doing the level of work I can do from scratch, and 5-10 years before its doing work like current studios are that charge $50k/site.

So working on this type of skillset for frontend design, might be completely pointless. Tbh, I think its best for me to just drive sales at my current quality level/skillset or find a way to create websites like 2advanced.com

AI may never design full websites as good as 2advanced did - due to the fact that there is no Sample Data to feed the AI so that it knows what type of coo a website that could be built with 3D elements, flashy transitions, hovers etc.

2advanced.com is also returning in 2024.
There's a lot of problems you didn't speak about with regards to clients. $50k projects aren't just projects. These are full business ventures and at that point you need to think like an entrepreneur. You can make mistakes that will make you go bankrupt and in that cycle of bankruptcy you can stay for a while.

You'll be the person who is responsible for doing things in timeframes specified by clients. If you don't deliver, you can pay for it with your own money. A client may just go away or you'll have a specific agreement to pay some penalty costs due to not meeting what was stated in agreements.

Hey, but real estate and engineering are boring yeah. You can't just paint websites for $50k.

The type of money you're asking for is made with teams, capital and high level of skill plus a product / company that has built a moat from other companies.

If you want to make that with just selling, become a call center person at some great company or be a business consultant and tell people how ux will change their conversions and give them marketing value.

And I think you should be aware that AI on its own is generator of gibberish and like a dream generator that uses diffusion deep learning to make things look more realistic.

However, people haven't even researched what AI can be and how machine learning is divided, how to make it more stable, what are its use cases beyond generative AI of text, video and images.

Do not make conclusions until you dig deeper. If you dig deeper, you'll understand there's no such thing as limit because something like AI is very broad and there are even options to make it commit like 0.001% failure. Think about AI that has vision, a robot. Don't forget what you're being shown in $10 per month products is the smallest thing possible.

If you want to make a lot of money or at least have chances to do that, you need to study everything. If you just perceive yourself as a junior designer, your aims should be $1k per month maybe. Well, if you change your mindset and open your mind to learning more than just ui/ux design, you'll be able to make $100m a year if you're doing things at the highest level.

A good business website is usually this:

- a good marketing tool (great copywriting),
- some graphics and visual identification that is aligned with a brand,
- and what else? It has to SELL, whether sell their brand to be memorized or sell their products.

Now if you only focus on visual aspect, it's just a mistake. It's like building a car and focusing only on its outside looks and interior. That's not gonna cut it in business.

Btw, I am not a designer and I can make a corporate website that looks like awwwards. I won't do. Why? Cause painting websites isn't gonna take my anywhere and my potential clients would hate to be distracted by that type of thing. It many times has negative impact on people.

I can make a program using engineering skills and tools to generate such websites automatically. And it won't take even a neural network. Just algorithms. But nobody automates that. Why? Cause there are things that get people more. Why there are ai products making websites then? Because it's a gold rush and people who don't understand business do business.

Want to focus on pure artistry? Do pure artistry. People love huge paintings and put them on walls. It makes their lives more interesting.
 
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AI may never design full websites as good as 2advanced did - due to the fact that there is no Sample Data to feed the AI so that it knows what type of coo a website that could be built with 3D elements, flashy transitions, hovers etc.


Can't connect robots to blender and then render this stuff to put in a css container on a website using algorithms?
Oh no!

Start learning engineering if you want to render 3d stuff automatically. Well, that might not be so fun. Can it make you do crazy stuff? Yes!!!

Why do you think big companies don't do it? It's easy for engineers like Elon Musk. He can just go to mars hahaha. Why would he make websites if he can build a rocket! That's it. Once you explore the world, you understand why certain things are done and other not.

The level of complexity of a rocket that goes to mars or moon is way way way higher than automated website creator with 3d elements and optimizations so it doesn't crash nasa computers. It's for people aiming for 10m lifetime valuation max.
 
10 years ago probably. Today? Maybe, but with a lot of efforts and stress.
 
I really think it's possible but you will really need to market and advertise your business and close as many clients as you can. You will also probably will need to scale up to your team instead of just an individual doing so that you can profit from work done by a team.
 
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