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$50,000.00 for a website that gets 30,000 hits monthly = LAFF

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Imhotep, Mar 24, 2011.

  1. Imhotep

    Imhotep Regular Member

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    wow I wanted to buy a forum from this dude a week or so ago, I offered him 2 grand after looking over it's info in various ways, I had figured my educated assessment was on the money... Boy was I wrong! This fkn hardon had the audacity to say this...


    So what do you guys think? I have been pissed all day due to this fuck insulting my intelligence with a counter offer like this! Granted I did try to seem a bit "green" as not to let on my true intention for the site but this dude really took off with it... Grrr! :(
     
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  2. Nick Flame

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    i sold websites with 50 uniques per day for 2 grand. I have websites having 40k per month that i would not sell for 50k. Depends on a lot of other factors.

    Between 2k and 50k, i think your offer was closer to "insulting intelligence" level.

    Of course, depends on what type of website was, how much money was making, etc.
     
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  3. Chronos

    Chronos Junior Member

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    It depends what the dudes EPC is per month.

    If you can make an average 1$/visitor then hell yes it's worth it. You could make your money back in two months. If it's less than .10 cents/visitor, it would take about 2 years, so it wouldn't be worth it.

    Websites are arbitrary, many people put more value on it based on the time they put into it. Sometimes this value is way high, sometimes it's just right.
     
  4. Visionmedia

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    it's not all about the traffic, you have to take in many other factors. How many registered members/emails, how many active members, how many new users per month.

    Not only that, the generating revenue as the poster said above and the EPC of the sites genre.

    Hell theres at more factors to add when it comes to purchasing a site, which many don't even think about, thus missing the true value of a sites worth.
     
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    It all depends on the niche and the quality of the traffic.

    My napkin calculation for adsense earnings:

    300K page views / month * 1% ctr for forum traffic = 3000 clicks / month
    3000 clicks * 20c a click = $600 a month
    $600 x 12 months = $7200 a year

    Of course, he could be making a lot more money from it if it's well monetized or in a high spending niche like biz opps, financial etc, plus he could be collecting emails and mailing his members etc. Plus potentially the brand and other intangibles have a monetary value.

    So if it's leave alone, basically passive income, he would have been foolish to sell it for $2K. However it may not have been worth $50K. Most of the smaller site sales I see go for 3-12 months revenue, although sometimes you see sites getting flipped for insanely inflated amounts.
     
  6. Imhotep

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    Hmm! Thanks Guys! I hope it was not the case that I made a bad offer nick, I would hate to be wrong about my initial assessment of the site. I learned a long time ago that ANY business is worth half of what it makes yearly in profit. I really can't see how this dude would make 100k a year from this website with just adsense, amazon and some other ads on it. Autumn seems closest to my thoughts, I would say I offered 2k to "begin" but I still think 50k is just plain wacky!

    Ill try to paint the picture of what I thought and see what you guys think after.

    Well, here is what I can say without outing the site...

    I know he is only ranking for keywords that are obscure, most of his traffic comes from Australia, his forum is the default phpbb install template, the forum has a max of about 25 people on, and 1050 members total, it has about 15k backlinks but they are mostly not anchored and the ones that are anchored use crappy keywords, he is on the bottom of the first page for blank blank forums, and middle of first page for a product that is not his own that gets maybe 20 searches daily (I know because I did SEO for them).

    That's all I can think of now that I can safely say. Thanks for the input all!
     
  7. Imhotep

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    Ah and I forgot to add that it's PR 3 and a few years old. Still though even online assessment sites rate it at $2,500.00 to $3,500.00 really odd stuff...
     
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    Roflmfao online assessment sites are a joke. Enough said
     
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    lol don't even bother with those sites...
     
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    It really depends on the site. I have sites that get 2k to 3k visitors per month an and make over $3k a month but on the flip side I have sites with 30k visitors that make $300 a month so there are to many factors left out for us to say if it is a good deal or not. When I am buying a site instead of using one of those valuation sites try getting comps from bizbuysell.com.

    Their tools are a lot more accurate because they take an average of all the sites sold on their site and break it down to show you what an average business in each industry usually sells for. You put in the gross and net income and then industry (in our case the website industry) and it will tell you the average multiplier for monthly revenues that sites are selling for.
     
  11. Imhotep

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    Hmm damn that does make sense, yeah I figured those regular sites sucked, thanks Shade, I'm going to try the site bmac talked about. but what really gets me is that at first I told the guy i would buy it based off of revenue proof, he just totally ignored that mail and only responded with the one that I posted some of earlier after 2 more mails and a call, so I am really thinking the guy is a douche scammer.

    If it actually interest's anyone or anyone is curious I can PM the site, but I think I made up my mind on this already, I really am the type that won't give a douche my money no matter how good a deal it is. ;)
     
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    Sounds like a typical forum owner to me. Some forum owners really have their heads up their asses and think that they are god or something.
     
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  13. Imhotep

    Imhotep Regular Member

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    Yeah the dude seems to believe all his "hard work" on that site is something to be proud of, if only he knew that I make sites better than that in less than a week with my hands tied behind my back and blindfolded... lol ;)

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    $50k for a forum seems high. $2k for a legit forum that gets 30k uniques seems low.

    You need to expect to pay a goodwill amount over and above what a business is worth.

    If you believe that his site is worth $2000.00, you would need to pay a goodwill above that of about $1-1.5k. That's what you should expect to pay.

    I would think a forum would convert at a lot less than 1% on adsense, I would say 0.5% most likely unless it is something that I have never seen before or if it's in a unique niche like financial that somebody else said.

    If the forum is in a niche that has a super high CPC I could see an argument for the guy getting a lot of money because 30k uniques is not too bad for a forum, but $50k seems excessive.

    I suggest you ask him how much he pulls in a month, and then base your offer on that. If he doesn't want to be transparent when he's asking for that much money, then fuck him.
     
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    Thank Drey! Yeah that's what I am trying to get out of him, but wanted to do my research first, cause if the dude don't respect me he will just make up whatever. I would be willing to pay up to 4k max and was hoping his mail was a typo but we shall see once i mail him back later... this ought to be funny stuff at the very least!


     
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    We could always take him out back and beat him with the rubber hose.
     
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    Or socks with bars of soap in it.
     
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    Lol, well after a mail requesting some form of revenue and traffic stats there has been nothing. I am just waiting to call this dudes bluff! If it really makes even close to 100k a year, I just might buy it for 50k. but I think the guy is just a newbie scammer.

    :chicken_w om nom nom
     
  19. Nick Flame

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    You learned it wrong.
     
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    Imhotep Regular Member

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    Really? care to elaborate? I learned from a friend who's father owns a Jewish only building in downtown Brooklyn as well as a drug store on the same street. Both businesses bought from others using that same logic, so I think I trust his advise a little more than a forum person with no proof, no offense (even though you try to sound bigshot with a 4 word "educated" lecture). It's a basis not the only rule, but I should not have to explain everything to business men.



    EDIT: not trying to be a dick, but I hate short snide sounding comments on something I have said.
     
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