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5 PBN Suppliers 5 Domains 5 Niches

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by darulez, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. darulez

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    So......... This year. I spend approx 600€ for this test.

    At first I thought: well, get 2 suppliers. Then, well: 3 is best.. Finally, I ended up with 5 suppliers.

    #suppliers
    2 expensives ones, 2 very cheap ones (2$ per blogpost!), on medium price range. always

    #ammount
    always 10 blogposts. except one supplier with 25 that was the cheapest option there.

    #sites niche
    diet, fitness, education, consumer articles

    #competition
    it was rather medium competition. but my sites did not receive any strong links for like 3 years, some were not even updated for years.. some even did not rank at all ;). true..


    Here are some conclusions


    #1
    One Site got hit very hard with google dance. Took like 6 weeks to calm down and dance from #67, to #xxx, to #96, and finally to #17

    #2
    the "cheapest" suppliers provided the best value/ranking. the most expensive one even caused the google dance!

    #3
    it takes approx 5 weeks till the google rankings increase.
    one site, it even took 2 months to climb form #17 to #8
    some sites, even after 3 months, are still climbing.

    #4
    "guru seo bullshit" and onpage factors...
    believe it or not. in the end. it is strong backlinks and anchors..

    i spend all this $$$ to make me disbelief myself all this bullshit crap on over-optimization of onpage... get strong backlinks, find some medium competition to rank . have patience

    #5 bing
    dont forget bing. although some of the keywords / sites did not reach #1, they DID in bing. traffic is very low, but at least i rank there..


    #6 supplier communication
    some really got annoying to sell addtional links to me..
    some were very closed to communication.
    some took very long time to update some links..
    ... in the end, it was mixed. and it was no clear "this one has the best customer support". were one wasreally chatty, he tried to sell me more.

    #sites offline
    one (even the expensive one!) supplier supplied links of broken sites and even claimed "it is ok if some sites are offline)!
    so guys, track your links. people respect what you INSPECT!

    #DA quality
    all sites I checked were ok. no backlink spam checked T1 with ahrefs.

    #post quality
    some post was hand written (expensive supplier). other was well-spun. I personally, dont care. the well-spun helped ranked anyhow.
    SO MUCH FOR GURU BULLSHIT.

    #sites used
    nearly all sites used expired domains with natural links.
    but most sued expd and boosted them with links.....

    #statistics
    it is hard to to a good statisticcal analysis of all this..... I have to put in some metrics, serplap rankings, ahrefs and some gut feeling. cause, for some major test, I would need at least 10 projects and 10 different suppliers....
    but still. all this gave me some deep insights

    #low volume vs high comp
    it was sad to find out, that low volume often equaled strong competition... thought otherwise.. but even excat mathc 1000 search /month with #1 being a old domain with strong links is not that easy to beat with paid PBN posts..


    conclusions

    in the end, I found my #1 supplier. and a #2 backup.
    still suprised me how SLOW it was to see ranking improvements...
    and more expensive did NOT equal better.
    even 2016 you can rank thin article sites ;)
    DONT forget bing.
    and 10 posts dont do a lot in most case. but even on one order it was enough to cause major google dance!
    PBN links are kind of expensive though and slow to be on safe side. ATM I invest more money in BING ads - I somehow like underdogs ;)
    Check you rankings with some serptracker.

    #future
    I ordered some new package from my #1 supplier. will be excited to see how far the site will go out.

    #future 2
    I need some kind of "backlink" checker to monitor broken or offline links. I know it will happen.


    Some screens:

    Google Dance:
    https://gyazo.com/ffb0caba52db732e619bad6d015bfe72

    #3
    https://gyazo.com/0a410d1bafe57c0fedfa1bb4b4ed8a33

    Site still climbing
    https://gyazo.com/12a4edc97352fc0be608b4f89b7e3771

    Dont ask me about monthly searches. that dont count shit to measure anything.
     
  2. hazez

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    this thread in somehow have some good info, I don't know what you are trying to tell us #your experience !? #some tips?! #your future plans!? #?????!??!!!
    this post can be more valuable if it organized. however thanks OP! for sharing

    best wishes,
    hazez
     
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    thats why I dont make my $ writing ;)
    gladly some men invented youtube.

    I made like some additonal test with 2x 301 expired domains to 2 of my sites (clean .com english to .de site... ). NOT blog, just 301 the old domain.
    one medium strong exp. shot the site from NOWHERE to #13 (!!!!)
    and the weaker from nowhere to #23

    THAT is really some stuff I dont want to believe. but the facts prove it. on both 301 times!
    some proof: (last number is first seen, first number is current:) https://gyazo.com/9778017cb1d35f7851b3211fec12f1f9


    I also bought a PBN site with expd with 2 articles and put an anchor to one money site. but test is stil ongoing. but early results shoot the site from nowhere to #15...


    to be honest.. al this makes me just want to buy clean strong expired, host them "somehwere", and 301 (in fact it was 302 ;) them to money sites.

    so much for proving bullshit wrong..

    well, I might seem to have "burned "some money in those tests. but ALL stats have improved. and I wasnt wasted CPC money...

    I might about my 301 experience in a diffrenent thread too. but It is somewhat just to expd to 2 domains and 2 different niches. so not really that respresantaive...

    AND, it only improved # of keywords that were on main page - not any sub-urls. well, I at first diddnt thought anything would happen. but it did.
     
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    It takes a long time to see results because google is indexing links much slower.

    If the PBN seller isn't doing anything to index the links they can take 1-2 weeks to index.
     
  5. darulez

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    Good idea. I got the GSA indexer and could stick the links in there. will surely speed things up.
     
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    Could of had some good info, if it was written in english.
     
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    Well done job OP. I got some good ideas here.
     
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    Some update:
    From one Supplier after rechecking links after 3 Months:
    1 domain was gone. 1 Post was not send.
    That was one of the few supplier who did not give a full report / with url/. so I had to check the links and compair them via search console and google search.
    kind of unhandy...

    irony:
    Oh, and I know now that someone likes to to HCG Drops and phen 375 - what a surprise that is....
     
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    "some post was hand written (expensive supplier). other was well-spun. I personally, dont care. the well-spun helped ranked anyhow."

    Yes, you ranked, that's not a problem. For how long though? :)

    Still, considering that you are buying from public networks, your site will eventually get hit one way or the other. You seen that most of the services aren't exactly amazing, even though you did the filtering. And by getting links from public marketplace and public networks, you will eventually get hit. Not today, not tomorrow, but later on, yes. With spun content it will only make the process faster. For churn and burn projects it's just fine though. :)
     
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    Well i think private networks are not exactly safe either. I mean if just one of your PBN sites gets found in a manual review then thats an almost automatic manual penalty. Public networks are ok if you know how to use them the right way. Personally i do both, that is some sites use only public networks and some sites only private network. Both are equally risky imo.

    I should add though given a choice between the two it is better to just build your own network instead of buying links.
     
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    They are both risky, but I do not agree that they are equaly risky. The fact itself, that people who order from public network, can see your links, niche and money site makes it much more riskier. No matter how hidden it is, others can still see the PBN link in the GWT and can get to your money site no problem.
     
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    What darulez said is the problem that Nargil mentions. Look at the home page, and inner pages, of a PBN that sells links publicly. You'll see 20, 50, maybe hundreds of other clients on that one PBN. Maybe you wouldn't do anything to hurt any of those other SEO guys, but one of them might.

    Also, you don't have a choice of what your "neighbors" on the PBN are linking to. As darulez said, he's looking at links to pharmaceuticals. And no doubt other shady stuff.
     
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    You are right and thats why i added in my post that they are ok 'if you know how to use them the right way'!
     
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    Update:

    As some supplier did not provide detailed report, I could only test what was shown me with GWT, as they block ahrefs ;)
    However, I check links and found out that from one supplier 7/50 domains are gone offline. and He/she was even the most expensive in this test.
    kind of poor. claiming to be the best hear.

    some other 2/10 links were either not working or domain offline....

    SO CHECK what you buy. and as links show up only after weeks in GMT and none at all, I advice to get some full reports. or at least domains blacked out...
     
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    whoot. I know so is doing "hcg drops", "plumping service in xyz" and selling some leather sheets for medieval knifes. HOORAY. NOW I definetly will report them to google :/