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5 Newb Questions About Building / Managing a PBN...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by BreaknBrix, Dec 8, 2014.

  1. BreaknBrix

    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    I've read some PBN guides on here but I'm still confused about a few specific details.

    Like people talk about the basics but rarely get too deep into the details.

    I read Nick Flames guide - http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-build-your-own-pbn-under-275-15-domains.html . It's a great guide. Problem is, other people have told me not to use cheap hosting and there are tons of things it doesn't cover.

    I've also read through Alex's PBN thread, but it's so long, random & disorganized... I just can't use it as a resource.


    HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS -


    1) I'd imagine there are TONS of different hosts to choose from.... so how did YOU choose your hosts? In the end, I only want to build a 25 site PBN (as a test to rank 1 local site). But I have NO IDEA what hosts I should be using, or how many sites per host, etc?

    2) Do I have to use a separate proxy per site? Or do I just access the sites via my home IP? I've heard some people say to use TOR, but tor is slow as all hell. And I plan on building out these PBN's so they look like real money sites (I already have thousands of pages of unique, relevant, HQ content). Should I use full anonymous proxies instead? Semi-anonymous? Home IP? What are the best practices for this?

    3) Do I have to access my hosting accounts through proxies as well? Like if I need to transfer a domain from seller to my host, do I access my host via proxy or home ip?

    4) Can you guys PLEASE list some of the hosts you're currently using? or maybe pm me a few?

    5) Are there any free books / courses anyone knows of, whether in the download section or somewhere else that I can use as a resource? I see respected members on WF selling guides. Like here is 1 - http://www.seopubacademy.com/join/private-network-course/ .. you can see the guide is organized and goes into depth about everything. I was very close to buying that guide but I have too much of a BH mentality. Are there any guides like that on this forum that any of you know of?


    I've been wanting to buy a bunch of sites from various sellers in the market place, I'm going to find a few on my own too (to keep costs down). But I have no idea how many hosts I should be using (or # of sites per host), what hosts, or how I should be posting content to the sites.


    If someone can please help me out, I'd seriously appreciate it.


    -BB
     
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  2. tony_d

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  3. Axioms

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    I am not a PBN expert whatsoever so i'll share my experiences with you and hopefully you find it useful. It seems like you are overthinking the idea of PBNs.

    1. Ideally, it would be best to have 1 site per IP. There are different ways to achieve this. Ofcourse 1 site per VPS or host can be expensive. What I do that works for me is I buy shared hosting plan and request unique IPs for each one. Ofcourse you have to pay a little more. For a PBN that I personally value more, I would put that in 1 separate VPS or server.

    2. For me, I just use my home IP or VPN (if I am using one). I personally believe you don't have to worry about this.

    3. No

    4. Any provider would be good. Just do not pick SEO providers because that will raise a red flag.

    5. Guides are useless IMO. Whenever I have to explain PBNs to my friends, I just tell them its just an authority site dedicated to pass link juice to your money site.

    I hope this helps.
     
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  4. SEOPub

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    I'll try to answer a few of your questions.

    1) I never put more than 1 network site per niche on the same server. I might put a network site relating to finance and another one relating to health on the same server, but they are not going to share any of the same outbound links.

    I usually go to WebHostingTalk forum and check out the special offers. Previously, I used a lot of $5-15/yr hosts. This year I have been shifting away from most of them as it is becoming increasingly clear that Google is going after private networks through hosting accounts. I'm using mostly $25-85/yr hosts on my network sites.

    (Side Note: What I mean by Google going after private networks through hosting is that they are taking down the big public networks, recently it was RankHero and No Hat Digital, and then checking what servers those sites are hosted on. Private network owners are generally using cheap hosts... birds of a feather flock together... Then they just can quickly scan through all the sites hosted on the same servers and nuke the obvious network sites. The only times that I have lost private network sites, I have found that anywhere from 60-85% of the other sites on the same server were also de-indexed. Collateral damage.)

    2) No need for proxies to access your sites. They are your sites. Google cannot track who is accessing your site. If you are really paranoid, do not use Chrome, do not work on your sites while logged into any Google account (Gmail, Youtube, etc.), and keep your cookies and browsing history cleaned out.

    3) Nope. Again, no need for a proxy there. Google is omnipotent.

    4) Just off the top of my head... A Small Orange, Geek Storage, iPage, Fat Cow, Hawk Host, Stable Host...

    5) That course is awesome, but I am incredibly biased. :cool:
     
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  5. umerjutt00

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    1. Which host.. It depends on the domain. If it is a cheap domain they go for a cheap hosting. if you have invested like $100+ for a domain, then get a decent host for it too. I add 2 sites in 1 host: 1 as it is and the 2nd one under cloudflare.
    2. No need for proxy.
    3. No need for proxy.
     
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    Im yet to create my own PBN, thanks OP for opening this thread it will help me also.

    Ive been reading information regarding PBN's for a week or so and the same question comes to mind every time, How the hell do people keep up with what they are doing and not getting lost with it all.
     
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  7. SEOPub

    SEOPub Newbie

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    What is there to get lost with? Most of it is pretty simple, and it is easy to organize on a spreadsheet.
     
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    1) I'd imagine there are TONS of different hosts to choose from.... so how did YOU choose your hosts? In the end, I only want to build a 25 site PBN (as a test to rank 1 local site). But I have NO IDEA what hosts I should be using, or how many sites per host

    The important part is to not have all of your sites served from one IP. It is also important to check the IP's "neighborhood" to ensure your site is not where an algorithmic de-indexation from Google can wipe it out. Host diversification is hugely important, unless you are masking the host with a CDN, which is an entire different beast.

    2) Do I have to use a separate proxy per site? Or do I just access the sites via my home IP? I've heard some people say to use TOR, but tor is slow as all hell. And I plan on building out these PBN's so they look like real money sites (I already have thousands of pages of unique, relevant, HQ content). Should I use full anonymous proxies instead? Semi-anonymous? Home IP? What are the best practices for this.

    I believe this is more paranoia than anything. I own and maintain a massive network and the IP's logging in are all the same. Mine, my employees if they are working remote of the office, and my VA's. I never had a problem thus far. If you want to take this extra step then it certainly cannot hurt. Grab some dedicated proxies and add them to a spreadsheet so you know which proxy needs used for each PBN. If anything just avoid logging in using Chrome, if you are really worried about leaving a user footprint.

    3) Do I have to access my hosting accounts through proxies as well? Like if I need to transfer a domain from seller to my host, do I access my host via proxy or home ip?

    Keep in mind, while Google is a powerful company they do not have access to the backend of Hosts or registrars.

    4) Can you guys PLEASE list some of the hosts you're currently using? or maybe pm me a few?

    Just Google search website hosting and go to town. When your site is hosted, reverse check the IP to ensure your site is not in a bad neighborhood. I avoid $1 hosts because they are filled with PBN sites. I like to go where everyone else is not. Look into free CDn solutions if you cannot diversify your hosts.

    5) Are there any free books / courses anyone knows of, whether in the download section or somewhere else that I can use as a resource? I see respected members on WF selling guides. Like here is 1 - http://www.seopubacademy.com/join/private-network-course/ .. you can see the guide is organized and goes into depth about everything. I was very close to buying that guide but I have too much of a BH mentality. Are there any guides like that on this forum that any of you know of

    I am going to be releasing a free PBN course for BHW in the near future. Make sure if you do decide to buy one make sure the author has at least 1k + PBN sites. Just because. Too many people in this industry do not practice what they preach.
     
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  9. hereweg

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    May I know how to resever IP/host to check neibourhood since before you order a host you don't know your IP of the sever yet.
     
  10. SEOPub

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    You can send the host an email, contact form inquiry, or talk to them live if they have live chat support. They are usually pretty receptive.
     
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    Hey bnb i have a decent size pbn (around the 70 mark) and so far all my sites are up and running so Im dead sure i know how to build one properly ;)

    For starters, i use cheap hosts mostly. Those $1/m are great to host your site. Reseller packages ARE a great idea to have tons of control over your domains. If you are going with reseller ones, ask them to charge you for dedicated C class IPs ;)

    SEO HOSTS are a big no no as they just tell google you are trying to game their algo.

    You dont need proxies to enter hosts or your sites. IMHO thats being over paranoid.

    Basically go with cheap hosts as well as reseller packs with dedicated c class IPs and never trust se hosts. Proxies are not needed but they are just too over paranoid imho.

    For themes i like to use html, php, wp, joomla, drupa and other CMSs out there ;)

    Let me know if you have any other questions bro ;)
     
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  12. mktanny

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    For hosting I buy ultracheap $4-$8/year vps with anywhere around 64-256MB RAM per server . You can find a a lot of them at lowendbox . I host just one site per vps , and this offers me a lot more flexibility interms of location variation .
     
  13. davids355

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    Not really an expert on PBN at all, but I cant see a problem with cheap hosting (As long as its reliable of course) I think as far as that aspect (hosting) is concerned, then using completely random hosts would minimize any chance of a footprint in that respect.
    Where of course with SEO hosting there could well end up being a footprint there.

    I guess you dont really want to use a "list of cheap hosts" or anything, otherwise a footprint might end up arising there.

    As for the other questions, will leave otehrs to answer.