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4 month journey, and yesterday i finaly grabbed 1st spot for emd keyword

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by iknowjack, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. iknowjack

    iknowjack Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    my experiment:


    US local 1000 exacts
    home improvement niche
    adwords difficulty is hard at .86 (which is supposed to be good)
    and g ranking difficulty was easy (serps 7 mil., average pr of sites in top 10 is 0)
    g traffic estimator: 30 daily impressions, cpc 1.5, daily clicks 1.5, daily costs 2.25 (1.5 x 1.5 = 2.25)

    prologue: in past i competed on some "way to tough keywords". on one occasion in past i went for "300 exacts" for stuff thats sells at amazon for 5k$...but i only made 1 sell when i was no1 for 1 month, and only got like...hm i forgot but i think 200$ commission, and my monthly costs were way bigger....so after this my bad keyword choosing, i decided to leave keyword research to pros and see what kind of money can be made if i am no1 for some "emd keywords"

    my way of ranking:
    -strong tier 1 (10 of them...later in the end when i was already 2-3rd place i also did some direct larger quantity blast with web2.0 - because in last days i lost patience a bit lol, because i spent already to much money with secure tier 1 building)
    -strong tier one were web2.0, with unique articles...then i blasted to them mostly fiverr gigs

    money spent, lol, 200-300$, i just wanted to see what happens when i am no1, i dont believe in seller gigs on bhw that says "we will make you on page for easy keyword"....this is sually releated to small like 1000 exact keyword...lol..page 1 is worthless.......you need to be no1....NOT on 1st page, but no1....and spendign 50-100 bucks for something that MIGHT bring you top 10 (top10=page 1)...is...is just "sales tool"

    i like:
    -fiverr gigs (bought 100 of them in past year)
    -bhw seller: foodtrip (his bookmark gig)
    -i am testing now bhw seller blackguy81 web20 stuff, so far it looks good

    by the way when i buy something on bwh
    -i dont belive in reviews that sellers put on their sales page...i rather carefully review by my selfe what they offer....reviews are for me just "sales tools to boost sales"

    also, i bought mns website (emd keyword) from someone here on bhw...short story, keyword was good (by meaning good i mean easy to rank....from money making point of view i am yet to discover, but i think there is not much money here to be made)...okay to continue, dude who did "research, articles on money website and on page seo".....did good keyword research, he wrote good articles, but some other stuff was very bad (overstuffing until i corrected it i wasnt ranked, after correction i was launched immediately into top 15....which he can improve)

    so now i am no1, now i will see if i can make any money :)
    in a few days i will also add some amazon on page.....but...i want to wait, since adding something new can "scr*w" ranking
     
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  2. brettehl

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    Congratz Man! It's exciting to finally rank #1 after spending a fair amount of time backlinking. I hope you make a lot from your newly found position.
     
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    i was already a bit to angry on him, so i guess thats enough (his 1st stage is good, meaning keyword reasearch, articles and design, other stages he can improve - with other i mean on page seo)
     
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    a bit of update. 2 days ago my main emd keyword dropped to no2 and then a few hours later to no3, now in last 24 hours its again on 1st spot.
    out of fun i started to track aditional 12 keywords (some are long tailed version), because if i am no1 i cant really see progress in ranking anymore

    so now its (feb 30 2013):
    main emd exact match us 1000/month rank: 1st spot on google
    best ranks of aditional 12 keywords: 4,4,6,6,8,8 (i am looking only page 1, so top 10)

    money made in last week, less then 1$ usd :( i am gona need some expert opinion on this, if someone with a lof of post want to take a look on my site i can show it to him. i also get very little visits, only like 10 a day...and keyword have 1000 exats us, and 1300 worldwide
     
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    Well, I'd say 10 hits per day is about right. 1000 (number of exact searches) divided by 30 (days in the month) is 33. Number one spot getting 33% of traffic is about right so that equals 10 visitors per day. You can expect a few more from longtail keywords and maybe a few from international search engines but I don't see how the site can get too many more hits.

    G Traffic estimators always assume you get all the traffic being at the number one spot and that you'll get a 10% CTR. Neither of these is true. Being number one you can expect 30%-50% of the traffic and a 1%-5% CTR.

    If I were you I'd sell the site for a few hundred on Flippa and take what you've learned to a more searched for niche.
     
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    I guess your keyword competition was "Low" on Google adword keyword tool. I think you would have likely seen more if your competition was high.
     
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    waiting for updates, good luck !
     
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    iknowjack Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Like i mentioned in my 1st post it is HIGH :) mark .86
     
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    Thanks a lot for your valuable information. You give the answer that is i think rarely discuses here on BHW, i guess no mns seller wants this kind of information to be publicly known. Because if thats true, then there is no point buying for 100 USD some mns service plus investing into service and domain and uniq ip, and hosting. If i take what average buyer gets when buying msn site, and If i take medium of what you said, 40% on 1000 exacts, thats 400 hits in one month, and i will take 2.5% CTR, that make 10 clicks a month, one every 3 day, and if cpm is good then its luck if this 10$ a month...minus hosting, minus uniq ip that makes getting no1 more doable (and perhaps buying service that hides you personal info at domain registration , so not everone digs you have more similar sites)...so...in this case you cant even buy anything to promote your site...because then you would be already in minus :)

    and you have to think there is noone here on bhw who would "make you for 100$ your 1000 exacts no1 on google"...and thats with reason
     
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    Congratulations! Glad you were able to get your site ranked, hope that income starts up soon and continues for a long time :)
     
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    when i come home today from regular work i went to check adsense, surprising today i got 20 hits, 2$ and 3 clicks, which is the most so far in clicks and in money for that particular domain
    so i quickly went to check rank for primary emd keyword and other 12 keywords that i follow
    surprisingly end keyword is now down to to 3th spot, also all other keyword are worse then "their best", perhaps it looked better at earlier part of a day, or it was just pure luck and 1 visitor made 3 clicks
     
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    Congratulations on ranking your site. Hopefully someone on here can help you figure out why your not getting many visitors. I totally agree with you about reviews on sales pages. They more definitely are usually only tools to boost sales. I was actually thinking about this the other day. Before learning about IM, I use to usually believe that most reviews were reputable lol. Good luck, hope you start making some money on your site soon!
     
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    I don't have a clue what this thread is about. Do you not understand why you're only getting 10 visitors (aprox) daily, from that kw? Seriously?
     
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    Grats on achieving that rank. Now maintaining it will require some social signals and new content.
     
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    you sound like you didnt at all what this thread is about. oh yeah i know you are just writing garbage and not reading so people could see you are selling mns sites? you are free to write on my thread, but if i see you are writing nonsense i will make assumption this is not because of your bad knowledge (since you supposed to be selling something) but on purpose to sell your stuff and we can have open debate no problem
    to summarize, my thread is about "i spend 100$ on msn site, and i invested 200$ to get into no1 spot"...but i have problem that i am not making not nearly the money to cover the cost and your solution is "lets make 50 sites" ???? ITS OBVIOUS you wrote garbage just to "show what you are selling"
     
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    Mate im not trying to sell anything!!




    I just think u dont understand what MNS is


    Thers noway u can earn a decent money with one small site which target 1000 monthly searches


    The only reason i mention about making 50 MNS is because
    anyone who know MNS understand its a number game

    This is the only way u can scale this up n make a solid monthly earnning


    If ur trying to make a solid income with a 1000 searched u wont get much
     
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    okay, first, sorry for getting a big pissed :)
    anyway...yes i know its a number game....but in order to multiply stuff by 50, you need to make 1st profit out of 1 site
    if i multiple stuff by 50, then i would lose 50x 300$ = 15 000$ and i would make only liek 100 to 500$....and like the figures go it doesnt look i would get return of investment in next 10 years lol
    so why multiply stuff on things that aint profitable (perhaps just yet, but....it aint yet)