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301 Redirect To Other PBNs? What To Do With Semi-Spammy Domains

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Vortex777, Aug 6, 2016.

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Should you 301 medium quality domains with lots of backlinks to a PBN or web 2.0?

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  1. Vortex777

    Vortex777 Newbie

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    Hey everyone,

    I'm new to this forum, and basically to blackhat SEO in general.

    Recently, I've become obsessed with ranking a new authority site we are working on. I've gone on a typical newbie binge of buying domains - mostly super relevant - and found myself with a pile of spam! Not all of them, thankfully. Some of them are super clean. Others are very clean but not as relevant. Most are old brand names that had bad directory SEO and lots of old links that bring down trust flow (although the DA and PA are over 30+).

    Naturally, some of them are great as is. Others I can see being a 301 redirect to perhaps another PBN or even a 3rd tier parasite site linking to a PBN.

    Is that an effective strategy? These domains aren't filthy - they just have a lot of back links from directories and other not-so-super-relevant sites (which I hear is what you need for a 3rd tier).

    Keep in mind, most of these are DIRECTLY in the same exact niche so it wouldn't be crazy to redirect them (once they are cooked properly of course) to a web 2.0 property in the same niche, or even another PBN.

    Thanks for your help!

    V.
     
  2. Vortex777

    Vortex777 Newbie

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    301 redirect wisdom anyone? I doubt I'm the only person who bought semi sketchy domains.


     
  3. Banditoseo

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    The general consensus is that domain redirects of any sort carry with them some risk. Google is surprisingly good at assessing the intent behind redirects (when they care), and there's empirical evidence Google treats redirects to unrelated content as a soft 404.

    That said, they're a common tactic. You'll find many instances of them working. And Google recently confirmed that a 301 does not produce any decay in the PageRank it passes.

    Short story is: use your common sense. Google knows sites change, domains change, businesses change, etc, which is why they count redirects in the first place. Look at it like you would buying a link. Some redirects are obviously good. Some redirects are obviously risky. If your site is pretty heavy on spammy links then a spammy domain redirect adds to the risk. If you're low on spam signals then probably it's not as risky.

    As a rule of thumb, I think redirecting more than 10 prior domains at your money site is asking for trouble. Check your competitors to see how many redirects they have. Then look at your list and pick the best ones and redirect them to your money site. Pick the less good ones and point them at, say, a niche-relevant PBN you run.
     
  4. 710fla

    710fla Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    It's a good strategy. Just don't leave like a footprint like 301 all of them at the same time.
     
  5. Vortex777

    Vortex777 Newbie

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    Great advice about the common sense. Thank you for chiming in. Right now I'm all about accessing risk (because I have already bought these 20 or so domains and I might as well experiment).

    I plan on only doing about 2 301 redirects to my money site. I plan on being VERY picky about those ones.

    For the rest, I have a bunch of niche relevant (directly relevant) domains that I can basically stack onto each other to make each PBN more durable. (Please correct me if I'm wrong in my thinking here).

    For example, I have:

    domain.org - TF 12 CF 24 DA 7 PA 17 RD 25

    It was born in 2006. This domain has never been used as spam as far as I can tell. Never used as a 301. Just sat for a while and was parked for years. 25 unique links from around the globe that aren't going anywhere.

    (Note: The niche I'm in is one of the first niches online that wasn't porn, so a lot of the sites are simply old as hell and outdated. I think that has an affect on how the numbers are coming across.)

    Now, domain.org clearly has low DA and I know that really matters.

    Add 301 #1: domain.net - TF 13 CF 20 DA 19 PA 13 RD 10

    Same exact domain name, just .net. Born in 2004. This domain started getting spammed in 2006. Since then It's been either parked or japanese PBN.

    However - the link profile is fine. It was an old software site for the niche I'm in, and 90% of the backlinks point to one single page /free-download-url which was linked to by tons of images on peoples sites (so other people can add it to their sites). It's an old widget basically. The entire domain still has a Topical Trust Flow of 21 from this one single page's back links.

    Now - I know people say not to bother with previously spammed domains, but the domain.net is actually "nichesoftware.net" which is more relevant than anything else I can ever have (since that is exactly what we are selling on our MS).

    And here's the kicker: I saw my competitors direct linked from the same exact spammy blogs that this domain is on. These competitors are on page 1 for years now, so if they can get those kind of links then it's fair game.

    My kind-of-solution:

    it seems like maybe putting a dummy page on domain.net and only 301 redirecting /free-download-url through .htaccess (or even on the server side alone) might simply pass the good link juice over to domain.org. Or even just 301 all links to domain.org would give it the added DA 19 and 21 TF.

    (I also thought of doing that through Bit.ly but that seems dumb. Not sure if the 93 DA helps or not and that looks spammy kind of, does it?)

    Both domain.org and domain.net are very old. Since domain.org was never spammed, but domain.net was, the age might be enough to absorb it (especially if I let domain.net sit with new content and get indexed and/or social signals going for a while before doing the 301).

    I also have another relevant domain that was once redirected to wordpress.com and only has 6 TF yet has DA 14 and 8 highly relevant backlinks. I'm thinking of cooking this one as well and redirecting it to either this same domain.org site, or another with non-relevant links that's been spun into something relevant to my MS to give it added topical relevancy.

    Of course, I need these all indexed and working first.

    Am I crazy? lol

    Or can I do some mad-hatter tinkering here to avoid my MS from getting penalties (yet receiving all the benefits?)

    Or am I just wasting my time with low level domains. (Hint: I know that's true for now, but I'm not gonna just let these sit and rot if I can do SOMETHING with them to at least TEST and get to LEARN this stuff. I kind of push buttons and shoot first without thinking of questions and that can waste a ton of money and time.)

    Thanks again for reading this. If anyone needs help copywriting, I'm 12 years experienced and write for 7 figure launches. PM me for conversion stuff.

    UPDATE: Crazy idea. Since domain.net is to get 301 to domain.org, couldn't I just set it up with google webmaster tools first to scan it over and find out for sure? By the time google cares it will already be a 301 redirect. Or else, just a blog with no outbound links yet. Or is that another big footprint? I want domain.org to actually be an authority.
     
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  6. Vortex777

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    Good point. I know timing is a foot print. Actually, maybe you know the answer to this ...

    Can anyone tell when a site is BUILT vs registered? I kind of put up 5 domains over the last few days, simply to get the hang of this stuff. I know WP well but the entire BH SEO stuff is new (yet super fucking exciting) and I know I need to be more patient.