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301 Redirect Question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by hippo123, Jun 14, 2016.

  1. hippo123

    hippo123 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I was just wondering, if I took 10 domains and 301 them to my money site in such a manner, will I be penalized by google?

    1->2->3.......->10->Money Site
     
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    Probably not... Here is what will probably happen. Google discovers the links to each domain... crawls them all independently. So you get 10x the bot traffic. That sucks. It probably effects your server response time so google crawls you slower & less often. That sucks. Then google says "hey these 10 websites all have the same content! That Sucks." Then the domain with the best PageRank for the content gets indexed and the other 9 go supplemental which mean you need to use &filter=0 properly to see them in the search results. Eventually Google will canonicalize them, but until then your domains might end up competing with each other.

    If you "daisy chain" them then your 1 first one in the chain delivers next to nothing to the money site because each redirect counts as an additional layer of nested linking. This mean only a percentage of PageRank pass through to the next layer. So after 10 layers of nesting almost no Juice gets through to the money page. You would be MUCH better off redirecting each site directly to the money site with no redirects in the middle. This would only have any value if the domains were previously websites that still have backlinks out in the world and those website's URLs still have relevant unique content to point to on the money site. If they all wildcard to the home page then I hate to break it to you but it isn't going to do very much except boost your 404 crawl errors, bot activity and it might complicate how google crawls, indexes, and views your money website.

    Sometimes you just have to do it. I do not recommend doing it the way you described.
     
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    Just as long as it's 1 or 2 hops of 301's you should be ok. But Matt Cutts says, you should match page to page, not all pages in 1 domain to the root domain of your money site. He said pointing all pages of one domain, to a root of another isn't a good experience for the user. Normally, when he says that, he means don't do it, cause it's not going to help.
     
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    Thanks for your knowledge mate.

    I understand the canonicalization and the duplicate portion part.
    1) All the domains for the 301 redirects are expired domain with good backlinks. Therefore duplicate content wouldn't be much of an issue

    2) The reason why I proposed this daisy chain is that redirecting 10 domains directly to money site will have a high chance of incurring a google penalty yes?

    3) I have taken a technology expired domain and redirected it to a pets money site with crazy boosts to my SERP. That's why if I could redirect more domains, my SERPs would increase even more

    Knowing that all the domains for the 301 redirects have ZERO content, would the daisy chaining of domains still be advisable?
     
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    Well... If Matt said it.
     
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    I would 301 the first1 to 8 > 9 > 10. So only a two level redirect. The higher you go the less effective.
     
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    BTW it works well, but require lot of efforts
     
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    Not doing this, may be google penalz your money site too.
     
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    Read google webmaster policy.
     
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    Good insights, didn't think of this.
     
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    So is link building and PBN. Come on guys this is blackhatworld. Everything we are doing are against google's policies
     
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    More than 2 domains make 301 redirect is possible but it will cause the google confusion and it may or may not filter out your money site which you want to get from redirect the other domains.

    If this redirect is possible for many domains, will harm the google rules and may washout your domains, I assume.
     
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    Lots of places park domains and redirect related domains to their money site... for example gooogle.com redirects to google.com... nothing wrong with that.

    I don't think google would give you a penalty for a redirect chain... this problem solves itself... the longer your chain the weaker your backlinks from the domains get. At a certain length googlebot will stop following the redirect chain and give up so if you make the chain too long googlebot just wont follow your domains to the money site. BUT you are wasting the domains' backlinks once you get about 3 or more redirects away from the money site... so at that point you are just wasting your time and I don't think any human beings at google care if you do that.

    Redirecting directly to the money site is a bolder play than what you are proposing. So which is it? Are you trying to play it safe with google or trying to get the most out of your redirected domains. You can't do both. :)

    PS if you really wanted to be blackhat you would build each domain into a website so the backlink graph is real then link to your money site. This would have the strongest effect because it increases your referring domain count. Of course this WOULD get you a penalty if google figured it out.
     
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    Too many redirects are not liked by any search bots, it raises a flag immediately. However, there have been successful case studies with the double redirect method as it takes away lot of risk factors inherent in link building.
     
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