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301 redirect question?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by CosmicSoundz, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. CosmicSoundz

    CosmicSoundz BANNED BANNED

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    Hey guys. My client owns http://www.something.com

    He also owns about 30 other domains that are similar and we did a 301 redirect to for them all to the main site.

    http://www.somethings.com
    http://www.bluesomething.com

    etc etc.

    Some of the 301 redirect domains are either brand related, similar to a competitor but adding a "s" at the end, old domains with high PR etc.

    My question would be. Is it a good idea to build backlinks to the domains that are 301 redirected? Or should we just focus on the main money site?
     
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    CosmicSoundz,

    I would focus on your main domain as trying to rank the others would merely dull your efforts for the main site. By trying to rank the other domains, you are effectively competing with yourself in SERP's.

    I would caution against this tactic of using multiple domains. It is seen as spam tactic by many search engines and is actually a violation of Google's quality guidelines. While others may not agree, if you are looking to have your site rank well down the road, I would nix the redirects and just focus on ranking for the main domain.

    Here is some more info on buying multiple domain names and redirecting them all to one site.


    http://www.seomoz.org/ugc/uncover-competitors-using-multiple-sites-for-multiple-first-page-rankings

    This post also touches on the subject,

    http://blog.ineedhits.com/tips-advice/why-owning-multiple-domain-names-is-bad-for-seo-02539442.html

    Hope that helps,

    Shawn
     
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  3. CosmicSoundz

    CosmicSoundz BANNED BANNED

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    sorry but im not buying that.

    First. There are no duplicate content issues as they are all 301 redirected.
    second I have already gained a higher PR because I did a 301 redirect with some older domains that already had authority.
     
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    Cosmic,

    You are right, there will be no duplicate content issues. You are also right about achieving a high PR by redirecting an authoritative domain to your main site; for now.

    Those things being true, redirecting dozens of domains to one is not a viable long term approach and it will eventually get the main site penalized. Common uses for the 301 redirect are for sites that have moved to another location. Buying lots of domains in an attempt to manipulate rankings will work for the short term but not for the long term.
     
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    The one nice thing about building links to a 301'd domain is that if you overdo it and get a penalty you can just turn the 301 off.

    Is that just conjecture or do you have proof of that?
     
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    Also untrue...

     
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    Build direct to the money site you always lose a little bit of juice through the 301 so best to go direct.
     
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  8. CosmicSoundz

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    Content Authority im sure you mean well but please dont spread false info. Anyway back to my original question.

    Should I build backlinks to the main site or will it benefit me to build backlinks to the 301 redirected sites too?
     
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    Perhaps we will have to agree to disagree on this one. In my mind, this tactic falls under the definition of SERP manipulation which is mentioned in Google's quality guidelines. It would seem that if it does fit that definition, a site would eventually get penalized for it. I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying for longevity it doesn't seem wise.


    This same tactic also made number 17 in this poster's list of link spam to avoid.

    http://www.seomoz.org/blog/17-types-of-link-spam-to-avoid

    Google's Policies

    http://support.google.com/webmaster...9&ctx=cb&src=cb&cbid=-vtoh4kdm5hmr&cbrank=0#3

    http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2721217
     
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    I've read that 301 redirect loses about 10% of the link juice.
    A 302 redirect will pass ZERO link juice
    You can find the article by searching canonicalization on seomoz
     
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    Perhaps I should have been more clear. Redirecting URL's is a necessary part of SEO and legitimate redirects are obviously ok (as evidenced by another member's post of Matt Cutt's video). In my original replies I was referring to redirecting domains for an illegitimate purpose.

    For example:

    Legitimate would be www[dot]example[dot]com to www[dot]newexample[dot]com

    -or-

    example[dot]com/oldpage.htm to example[dot]com/newpage.htm

    Illegitimate:

    www[dot]examplesite[dot]com
    www[dot]examples[dot]com
    www[dot]examplesites[dot]com
    www[dot]exampleexample[dot]com
    www[dot]example[dot]net
    www[dot]example[dot]org
    www[dot]example[dot]biz

    all redirecting to www[dot]example[dot]com

    While I cannot provide direct evidence that this scenario would get a site penalized, it just seems deceptive. Of course that is just my opinion.

    Best
     
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    I dont agree with any of that.

    The whole point of buying various TLD's are to protect your "brand"

    The man himself (Matt Cutts) even said its ok.. It blows my mind that you are still disputing it.
     
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