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301 redirect from older de-ranked sites to add LINK JUICE?

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  1. UNCLEBUCK

    UNCLEBUCK BANNED BANNED

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    Hi,

    Since penguin update some of my sites that had tens of thousands of decent back links got totally de-indexed (not ranked at all now)

    3 questions

    1) if they are indeed penalized sites.. if i 301 them will google not penalize the new site iv now redirected too also?

    2) is there a limit to how many sites i can 301 redirect to my new money site?

    3) any hints and tips using this method on "churn and burn" sites (spam fast, bank money, get penalized, repeat)
     
  2. Seo-Devil

    Seo-Devil Regular Member

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    1. it will penalised but it take some time
    2. no limits (more redirects more power)
    3. there was post about all this by gorang can remember exactly user name
     
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    is it deindexed or it just lost its rankings?
     
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    I recently redirected my penguin penalized site to new domain, just to get the link juice from the old domain. but now i am thinking whether i did right or not as if google passes link juice then it might pass penalty too! not sure, just waiting for the PR update and keeping an eye on webmaster's search queries to get actual data.
     
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    Unclebuck,

    There really isn't a definitive source out there that says "yes, any site linked to (or redirected from) a domain that has been penalized will also be penalized. I think in general the new domains will not automatically be hurt if you redirect but think about this. Google gives weight to links from authoritative sites that are seen as useful and not spammy. It gives less weight to links from sites that don't fit this criteria and might choose to not give weight at all to some links. If the old domains have been deindexed, there is a good chance that Google will see links from those sites as worthless.

    There are lots of answers and opinions here,

    http://moz.com/community/q/can-penalties-be-passed-via-301-redirect

    Best,

    Shawn
     
  6. Ash2012

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    This.
     
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    I can tell straight forward that I redirected a penalized website that I have (PR8) to a new domain, all link juice passed right away, and the new website still ranks #1 and it has been more than a year now.

    You probably asking, "hey, how's that possible for a PR8 website to be penalized?" well, you're right. The website had been under attack for more than 6 months, got millions of junk links, so Google penalized it. After contacting them numerous times via WMT, they didnt pull the punishment nor would desired to listen to my claims that we were under spam attacks. So, I decided to 301 it to a new domain (I had nothing to lose), and now, the new domain still rank #1 for over a year after the spam attack and it has the same PR8 value. We tried to remove some of the spam links, and ever since, many algos by google had been taken place. So, I know for sure:
    1. 301 works. They pass link juice and PR from penalized domain to new one
    2. Sometimes punishment do travels to the new domain.

    So, either way, you have nothing to lose. I mean, if you wont redirect, you'll still be stuck at deeper pages.
     
  9. gorang

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    Hi Unclebuck. I know the site you're talking about and the Niche you're in I think. The problem is that the action taken against your site was not algorithmic, it was a manual cleanup of the niche.

    I don't know how 301ing a domain with manual action acts. There may be no power to pass, or maybe all of the power will pas, but one thing is usually true, the penalty will pass to the next domain within three months.

    I had a thread on exactly how to churn and burn, hopefully i'll be able to post it again soon I'll PM you the link to my blog article on how to churn and burn sites using 301s since I don't want to risk posting it atm.
     
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  10. UNCLEBUCK

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    thanks all
     
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    How can you tell if a manual cleanup of your niche took place? I'm afraid that's what happened to me... been trying to get out of a penguin penalty for over a year now...
     
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    Typically in the more spammy niches, if you are using 301 redirects they get seen by google in a manual review at some point, could be a few weeks, months, all depends when it's reported or they come across it. When it gets picked up it will pass penalty.

    I've done quite extensive testing with this and I have a lot of sites receiving 5+ 301's from all kinds of spammy sites, both penalized and not that have been standing strong for a while. A lot of the time however, the 301 will pass juice for 3 weeks-2 months is most common (for me atleast) and then they drop.
     
  13. stoneyang

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    I agree. What do you thinks about a1->b, a2->b, a3->b, b->c ?
     
  14. DivineSEO

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    do NOT redirect from penalized to new site. IT WILL PASS THE PENALTY. It will take about a month, but it will. Experience talking here. Rather if it is a main site, add a static html page with NO links to new site, but maybe a 404 image stating sorry this site has moved visit *****.com with only an image, not text or links.
     
  15. weBay

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    Any thoughts on 301 penalised site to a web 2.0? In my experience the penalty always passes when you 301 a penalised domain to a new domain. So this week I am 301'ing all my penalised domains to a web 2.0. The web 2.0 is ranking great now... does anyone have experience of this? Will the penalty pass?
     
  16. jollyman

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    Since, its a penalized domain it will pass penalty to the new domain too. Best bet is add some content and submit reconsideration request then wait for some times until its indexed and start ranking for keywords. Then redirect to it.