Hello all, What a great forum. I'm putting on the "black hat" this year. I've grown tired of building legitimate sites and watching them get beat by many of the techniques in here. Worse yet, I have a few sites that are penalized and got nowhere begging the gods of the engines for a reprieve. That irritates me to no end. In that respect I decided on New Years eve to turn to the dark side after 14+ years of honest marketing on the web (I was around when AOL didn't provide access to the web, 9,600 baud was a dream and cost .10 a minute ). I'm a senior citizen in web years. I'll let you know next year how I do. Keep up the good posts.