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$1230 Owed to Paypal, URGENT Help needed!?!

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by FallSing, May 25, 2010.

  1. FallSing

    FallSing Newbie

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    I've been selling some ebooks on DP, WF and some other forums, I have my standard fully registered paypal account and a secondary paypal account that I registered through a VCC where I receive payments.

    During the past 2 weeks I have been selling 4 ebooks that raked me over $2000.

    Immediatially after each payment received I send the money to my registered paypal account and afterwards to my bank.

    I don't know what happened but within the previous 2 days, I receive claim after claim on my secondary account, at the time of this post I had exactly $1230 negative balance on that account.

    I'm terribly scarred because never use proxies and since I send all my payments to my registered account they can detect my personal info.

    Atm I have no money to deposit onto that account.

    What harm can come to me if I just ignore that account?

    Need help please.
     
  2. ruworth

    ruworth BANNED BANNED

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    If PayPal have your personal info and you dont pay then i suppose a debt collector could call, then again do paypal have that power as you dont owe paypal the money.

    Can you not just send the money back to the account? you will still be in profit if you made $2000.
     
  3. devtom55

    devtom55 Junior Member

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    can't really help you but wow that sucks. I didn't even know you could go below zero with paypal??? Usually it tells me I can't proceed a payment when I run out of money.
     
  4. FallSing

    FallSing Newbie

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    Technically I think it's not paypal that takes the debt, when a claim is filed (Which is ridiculous, how can anyone NOT receive their digital content?!?)
    The money is seized and suspended, if you happened to have withdrawn the money before, your personal account just goes negative it awaits that you refund the amount in order to refund the buyer, I do not know if they actually refund the buyer or not in case if I don't pay.

    But I mean, I recently switched to full time marketing, I am a superb writer and I've thought about selling ebooks or writing articles, since the ebook has a much higher earning potential for time invested, I figured to go with selling ebooks, the values speak for themselfs, I made $2k in 2 weeks.

    But I just cannot refund the money, first I have already spend it, and since I've been on personal vacations I hadn't have time to make more, second, what I now owe to paypal is more than 60% of what I earned.

    I can make money with ebooks, but just how do I do it without having all my funds seized away because of ridiculous claims, specially considering that my products are actually good and yes my buyers DO receive them.
     
  5. carter7984

    carter7984 Junior Member

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    The same thing happened to me. I sold a site on DP, and a scammer bought it using a stolen PayPal account. 300$.

    I did the same thing you did, threw it in my bank account, and immediatly spent it, I had some bills to pay at the time... A few days later, that damn claim opened. I tried to fight it, I even called and talked to PayPal to explain, but they favored in the original stolen PayPal account owners side. I had to fork over 300$ :(

    Maybe in the future, you could find an Digital Item processing site, I don't know any off hand, but one that will protect you against this sort of thing... Like ebay used to do, before they became bitches.

    Oh yeah, I've had an idea for a long time, I am not sure how it would work if you sell to people over-seas (assuming you are from the USA, not sure...) But to be on the safe side on Digital Items, in addition to e-mailing/letting them download the item, I always had the idea to burn a CD with the content on it, and then use good ole fashion mail, with a tracking number. This way, you have 100% proof that they received the item. Again, this may not work, depending on your client base, plus the cost of shipping is going up.

    Just my two cents, I hope it works out for you bro...
     
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  6. TwistedMarketing

    TwistedMarketing Regular Member

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    Which country you from ?
     
  7. FallSing

    FallSing Newbie

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    I'm from France, if I let the account with negative balance can I got into problems from PayPal debt collectors?
     
  8. TwistedMarketing

    TwistedMarketing Regular Member

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    I think debt collectors could become risk, if you were from USA/UK etc.

    You should be safe.
     
  9. FallSing

    FallSing Newbie

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    This is a joke, everyone can file a claim that they did not receive their digital product and will be refunded, literally everyone can get ebooks for free.....
     
  10. coreygeer

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    Oh PayPal can't do shit.

    I've owed $150 to PayPal for over a year now and not one e-mail or phone call.. I just refuse to use that piece of shit sell out website anymore. I know that's how all your revenue is made through selling E-books on forums but you might as well pay it or try to open up a new PayPal.

    As for disputing it.. haha yeah right.. they won't let you dispute 1 penny off of their website and they really are just unreliable garbage. Especially when you're selling a digital good, all the buyer has to do is say "I didn't get my stuff" and BAM, he gets his money back. That's how easy it is and there's no way to fight it.. there is absolutely no way to fight it when it comes to an e-book or digital services/products.
     
  11. FallSing

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    Is there any other service like paypal that actually protects digital goods sellers?!

    Anyway, do you think this can get me in trouble:

    1) Create multiple PayPal accounts with VCCs and fake info, get paid in these accounts.
    2) Send the money to my legit account.
    3) Withdraw to bank
    4) Whenever account goes negative just ignore it and create new one.

    Since all payments are received on discardable accounts, can paypal perceive that I'm sending all the money to my legit account and come after me?
     
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  12. Tinus

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    so therefore we should use ......... instead of paypal?
     
  13. ruworth

    ruworth BANNED BANNED

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    I thought that you cannot claim any money back on Digital Goods? you should look in PP terms and conditions
     
  14. Bestbuyfoam

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    Well it looks to me that your ebook skills or something wasn't to good...

    If you had $1230. dollars worth of claims...

    But for sure you need to close the bank account that is connected to your good paypal account because paypal will withdraw any money in that account or freeze that account or least they do in the U.S.

    Have a blessed one...
     
  15. MarketerMac

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    If paypal does not recover the money from you, they do not issue a refund to the buyer (instead they send a notice saying they could not recover the funds, so sorry, etc. etc.). So the only person who is out the money is the buyer, not paypal or you.

    Therefore paypal won't ever call or attempt to 'collect' this money since they aren't out any of it. And of course because paypal won't invest any time into trying to recover someone elses (the buyers) money. In your case I get that the buyers are trying to defraud you, it just sucks when you are scammed as a buyer and paypal gives you this line of shit (it's happened to me, can you tell? hah.).

    So, while I can't comment on your having two accounts and transferring the money that way, I can say for certain that from my experience, absolutely nothing will come of the paypal account with a negative balance. Just ignore it and move on. And for the love of god use proxies..

    I have not used PayPal for accepting payments in over a year, but once again in my experience this is absolutely wrong. Paypal cannot withdraw money from your bank account without your express permission. I have had accounts go negative before and paypal always asks you to 'restore your balance' but never forces it on you buy taking money from your bank account / associated credit card / whatever. Once again, I haven't used it in over a year, but this is how it was when I had a similar problem.
     
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  16. Ansatsu

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    you can try selling your ebooks in tradebit, its a good site and that wont happen.
     
  17. redfulong

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    If you are planning to make a living selling eBooks, you need to review what you did on this round. something went horribly wrong to have a 60% refund claim.

    I've been selling for over 5 years, plr stuff, mrr stuff and original content. I've given maybe 5 refunds.

    Address problems and start over. Lots of money can be made in eBooks!
     
  18. inumel

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    this is the Answer to Any Dispute you are having : " burn a CD with the content on it, and then use good ole fashion mail, with a tracking number. This way, you have 100% proof that they received the item."

    There are alot of individuals who abuse this paypal flaw in their system. I know of individual on other forums. They immediately purchase e books just to get it and automatically file a dispute after they recieve the ebook. But like i said the answer to your problem is charge them enough for shipping so they basically pay for it.
     
  19. FallSing

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    I actually thought about it before, but that is the problem right there, most of my customers are blackhatters, they don't even have verified paypal accounts, they would never give me their home address for shipping purposes.

    My question here is really among two options.

    1) Go whitehat and lose 60% to 80% of my customers.

    Or

    2) Use blackhat methods and create multiple paypal accounts with fake info and let them go negative and leave them that way whenever claims are filed.
     
  20. MrDetails

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    This is what's going to get you in trouble. They track everything you do, how long it takes you to do it, etc. So sending the money directly to your main account is a huge red flag for them, especially if you are reducing the balance to zero each time (or close to it)

    Give bryanon's Ultimate PayPal Domination a read (free for us :D): http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...195460-get-my-ultimate-paypal-domination.html

    If you want to use fake accounts with PayPal on a regular basis then this is a must read. There's some great info in there that I would never have thought of. And his method of 'laundering' your money through places like GAF is ingenious.
     
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