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1200 domians on 1 IP?? WTF does this do?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by AGman, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. AGman

    AGman Power Member

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    So I was doing research on why one of my affiliates ranks better then me on most of my keywords. It pisses us off. He sits in his basement and sends us customers while we deal with all the headaches and fraud and BS and send him a nice check every month.

    I found on spyonweb that he has over 1200 domains all on the same IP address, does this have anything do with SEO? My company has 2 on the same report.

    We have more backlinks, blogs, web.20 properties then he does by far. Why and how is he outranking us? We have been doing this for 4 years, he hoped in about a year ago and is now crushing us WTF
     
  2. exbear

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    basement? he's sitting in his penthouse with a helicopter pad on the roof :p if he has 1200 domains and crushes companies.
     
  3. Realign02

    Realign02 Regular Member

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    That's actually terrible for SEO. Depending on how you're using them.

    You need multiple hosting companies from different locations for it to really help out.
     
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    thedon23 Elite Member

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    Yeah, I would never put that many domains on a single hosting account LOL. He's crazy.
     
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    Catt Mutts Junior Member

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    What?
    that should mean he is on a shared hosting i guess. i just checked there and seems that i have 555 domains :)
     
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    Look at the bright side, instead of all the headaches of taking orders and fraud, you could be managing a network of 1,200 websites. :)

    You need to take a look at the situation in a different perspective. For affiliate programs to sustain themselves, they need to be profitable for both parties. With that comes some headaches as well.
     
  7. panqnik

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    On my hosting, I currently have 13 websites.. but 1200?! sick guy
     
  8. SuperLinks

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    That's because he is on shared hosting.

    But the real question, why don't you fire him as an affiliate if he is indeed sending you fraudulent leads?

    That doesn't make any damn sense to me. Sounds like there's a whole lot more to the story...
     
  9. jon_xx_x

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    He's smarter than you and out worked you.

    He's obviously not dumb enough to be interlinking them all, I'm sure he just has a ton of different niches.
     
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  10. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    As far as my understanding/experience goes, no SEO problem at all, as long as you are not interlinking them.
     
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    Ya. I see many people bitch off about ips lately.. its really unproven thing and a minor factor if you are careful with other things...
     
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  12. SuperLinks

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    Yep, this is correct. No problem as long as you aren't interlinking them.

    But, I think the OP is missing a huge factor. They likely aren't all
    this one guys websites. Chances are he's on a SHARED host, which
    an IP check would show these other sites hosted on the account as
    well.

    It's highly unlikely, but not impossible, that this guy has 1200 websites.
     
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  13. Realign02

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    Shared hosting is the most common cause when you see that many domains on one IP.

    While it isn't proven that it makes a difference, I have never had more than 10 domains on one host. That's just me, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.
     
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    im confirming 250 domains on 5 shared hosts each works fine. seo wise. semi-wh sites. 5*250=1250 domains
     
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    Seems like the OP has missed the point of the affiliate / sponsor relationship. The whole point of having affiliates is so they send you traffic - you are outsourcing the traffic generation side of things on a commission basis so that you can focus on product and customers.

    OP also misses the fact that the affiliate has just as many hurdles to jump over to get traffic as the OP does to deliver the product. Generating traffic is not free and there's no guarantee that you will be able to steal the guy's methods and generate the same traffic at a lower cost than he can.
     
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    If you have paid him for fraudulent leads in the past, wait until he he has racked up a month of commissions then deduct the amount that he owes you. If he has a problem with it there is nothing he can do because if he is using your product anyway it shows that yours must be the best in the niche so he most likely has no where to turn.

    Depending how much your are paying this guy create a cost benefit analysis and find out if it is worth trying to outrank this guy with a few powerful back link packages.
     
  17. deancow

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    Not to mention he could just send his traffic to your competitors, be grateful.
     
  18. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I don''t think the OP said the affiliate was sending not good leads. He is just jealous because the affiliate is getting leads from organic traffic and the OP thinks he somehow deserved that organic traffic himself, just because he has the product. As if it doesn't take effort to rank on top of G. :p

    Also, firing the affiliate that has the top positions for your product keywords, is not a wise move ;)
     
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    You are probably right, I likely misinterpreted this line

    None the less, it likely isn't a wise deal to fire an affiliate with
    top rankings unless of course there is fraudulent activity going
    on.

    OP - take a good hard look at his backlinks, if you want shoot
    me a PM and I'd be happy to give insight into what he's doing
    and what you are doing wrong.
     
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  20. AGman

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    Fraud from people using stolen credit cards on our site...