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100% anonymous VPN/Proxies (to what extend is that TRUE?) - Seems impossible?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by seoactive, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. seoactive

    seoactive Regular Member

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    When VPN and proxies providers claim that they do not keep logs (100% anonymous). To what extend, is that true? I am curious because even if they (themselves) dont keep logs, the ISP or IP provider/owner (whatever you call them) do a record of all activites as well.


    I dont have a full understanding of how it really works, but I am guessing it works like this:


    ISP > VPN provider > clients


    So even if VPN providers erase/delete all logs, the ISP (highest tier) will still have all logs stored to some extend?
     
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    Cloak fish provide some pretty anonymous settings, and allow channelling through multiple anonymous IPs for really high security...

    I'm of the belief that the security is plenty high enough and anonymous enough, AS LONG AS you're not doing anything illegal.

    ...If you're talking illegal activity or fraud, then you should expect the government to push a lot of resources at it, and get caught! But that really shouldn't be what BHW is about. If you're talking massive obfuscation to avoid TOS issues with Google etc. and keeping things as private as possible, for SEO reasons, then there are ways.

    The minute you encroach on 'financial' areas, like PayPal etc., things change of course, as those companies necessarily take their information gathering very seriously.
     
  3. seoactive

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    Havent tried cloakfish before, but heard about it. However, I am looking more of a VPN service like hidemyass etc. It just seems more convenient to me.

    No, of course nothing illegal. It just came to my mind because hidemyass was having Xmas promotion discount where a lot of users want to use it for streaming purposes. Then a few claims that hidemyass will expose users info upon request and so on.. (and its been done), so they arent really 100% anonymous - logs are actually kept and not what they claimed at least.

    Either way, using it for link-building purposes... i dont think any company (including Google), will NOT go that far, as to dig out the user behind building backlinks right? I dont think building backlinks is against Google TOS either way?

    Thanks
     
  4. mrankin

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    I keep 30 days logs which only record the user and the URL being retrieved or posted to. That's pretty standard practice really.
     
  5. seoactive

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    What about your ISP or the primary IP owner etc.? Dont they keep logs as well?
     
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    In some countries that may (laws in Australia are soon to be introduced to this effect), but not in the USA. All anyone could put together is what IP accessed what website at what time. If within the 30 day log period, I could map that the the actual end user.
     
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    Indeed, There are no personal identifiers gathered in this process.

    Cheers
    Unclemike
     
  8. seoactive

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    thanks for the info, but how does this theory apply to hidemyass position in this case? from my understanding, anyone (and more than one) users can access to their VPN at the same time. suppose I just happened to be one of their shared vpn IP at the same time as someone who is doing some illegal shit, i could be in big trouble? do they have any logs or tracking for these types of situation?
     
  9. seoactive

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    Looking for more inputs on this. thanks
     
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    jaeeonr Newbie

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    That depends on your ISP. Remember: There's nothing 100% anonymous garunteed.
     
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    Have been using VPN for a long time but never thought of anything like that :/ thanks for opening my eyes!! o_O
     
  12. dbyrn

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    To get really anonymous try to tunnel through at least 2 different proxies in 2 different countries (as different as for example Russia and Indonesia). And always check if the proxy is really anonymous.