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10 Years Strong and Still Failing [My Journey Continues]

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  1. S1lv3rdo7

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    I was sitting at work today reading WSO's on my phone and just thinking to myself. Why not just make a journey thread. I spend so much time researching and learning about Internet Marketing I figured why not just document it. I have this insatiable urge to share with others what I've found and what I'm doing. Some people may be able to learn from me and take things further than I ever could. It blows my mind how many people achieve what I never could...yet. If you're still reading this then let's get into it. If you already left, hit the neg rep button and be on your way. I wouldn't blame you it's a sad pathetic story.

    I found Blackhat World my senior year in High School 2004. Ironically just before I left to join the Marine Corps. I was amazed at the people on here and what they were doing to make money. I slowly started to learn about SEO and frantically searching for methods to make me millions a day. See I was already a tech nerd. I took a bunch of computer classes. I knew about AIM bots which were all the rage back then. I was into computer security and loved networking. I mean I knew about computers I could make money online....right?

    10 years later here we are. I've wasted more money on WSO's, (which I now get for free) The next IM tool that's changing the game forever, The best service to ever be offered anywhere on the net but is only sold here etc. Only to have every method change or fizzle out with my never gaining anything but experience and the ability to examine a method. Now that I've gotten older I've learned to set more realistic goals. More recently I've tried for just the bare minimum. Which is stupid because I can't even make a profitable method so why set any goal.

    You may say I have a "bad attitude" when it comes to IM just because I refuse to be delusional when I see something that won't work. People always put a time factor on things and never evaluate the math behind it. I'll illustrate that point later. Just because it's my journey and you're still reading it, let's start at the beginning and hear the tale.

    My first online venture was PPC with neobux. I thought hey, I can just click some ads and rent people to click ads for me. Awesome! The math behind it turn out that you were only making a couple hundred a month and most people barely breaking even because of the click rates of the people they rented. It turned out later that those people were actually bots clicking ads. I mean let's be honest the website isn't just going to give away money. There's always a system behind it. Once I was able to isolate the variables and plug them into an equation I saw that NEOBUX was a waste of time. Of course I came here to make a post about it and show the world. One of the best post I've ever written.

    The next step I took was with GPT sites. I thought to myself just get auto form filler and go to town. I signed up to about 10 websites and just got after it. I then realized that the bigger offers with credit cards was where it was at. I went to HEB and got a prepaid card, created a new account and started banking some money. I didn't know how to associate different Paypal accounts with my earnings yet so it reached it's apex. Either keep filling out offers that MIGHT fire a pixel and credit me or move on to something else.

    I then moved on to e-whoring. I went to every dating site I could find and created profiles and starting directing people to my CPA dating offer. Tried to hit up porn sites and chat rooms. Anything I could do to get people to that link. I made a couple people convert but nothing consistent. The problem was my accounts kept getting deleted. I would post the offer url or email address in the picture, or put it in the description. Just create an account and wait for a week then go back and answer all the pm's. The people was it was too much to manage, and it was a one on one sales effort with every pm.

    My next venture was Zip Submits and E-mail submits. I would post products for sale on craigslist and then when someone emailed me asking about it I would say "Hey I just sold it here (affiliate link) is the link I used to get my free one." I would get some conversions from that and I would save the email address and spam it later. Maybe $5ish dollars a day if I posted everywhere. I ran into limitations with free email services. IP issues etc. CL ghosting ads, banning accounts. I decided to expand out and post on backpage too. I even had 2 people posting for me as well. I shared the system and gave them a cut. But what's a 3 way cut of $20 for a week's worth of posting ads for 4 hours a day. It was awful.

    Then I moved onto the jobs posting on craigslist. I had a decent 9-5 at the time and had some money to throw around. I was doing project payday at $2.75 a lead. I would post jobs on CL and then put a link to my custom PPD lander which would lead them to sign up at the actual website and get my $2.75. I created a lander that looked like an actual business with the job description. The expenses were crazy. I had to get a $25 prepaid card from Chase and register it with the state I was posting the ad in. Then I had to have proxies and PVA's just to post. I was barely breaking even on expenses. The traffic was there but the cost was crazy. Then the crack down on jobs came. Both the advertiser and traffic source along with competition was on my tail.

    My next big venture was YouTube and CPA. You can read my awesome thread here. I really spent a good two weeks reading every thread and ebook on YouTube and CPA. I took all kinds of notes along the way. I really gave it 100% and thought man I'm going to fuckin nail this. Then the problem became creating content for the videos. I would try to steal it and it just wouldn't work. Flagged and deleted in minutes. The problem then became how do I create a video for fake content? I had all the tools to make it happen but no substance. PVA's, proxies, lander, awesome content locking script, YouTube rank check bot I helped Healzer build. I mean I had everything but the video. Outsource to fiverr you say? For what? I'm not spending money I know I'm not making back. I wasn't even making conversions with the fake stuff.

    Whelp, let's give Adsense / Amazon an honest look. I thought maybe there was something to this making money over a period of time. Add a few articles a day not too bad. My assumption was I could just make a dollar a day and just keep adding articles and see the money role in from added content. Even knowing that the average CTR for adsense is 3% based on a seminar I watch with John Chow. This is where my ROI stance comes into play. I saw a guy that said he spent a 4 hours a day and made $500 a month writing articles. That's less than $2 an hour. No way am I doing that for a website that may make even less than that!!! I've read adsense / amazon thread with people investing hundreds up from to not break even over the course of 6 months. You may view it as a part time gig, or long term investment, but if I spent a weeks paycheck I would expect it back in less than 6 months. I don't just have $300 to throw at building sites to gain back $1 a day possibly less depending on if you went with amazon. Along with the personal fact that I won't pay to outsource articles and I certainly can't write them. Adsense is out of the picture.

    Right now I'm sitting on this SEO services domain. My plan originally was to resell Social Media Services. After seeing the competition and several other people do that and failing horribly I decided to change my angle a little bit. I wanted to resell SEO services that were sold here at BHW. I'm still messing around with that idea. I might do something I've never done and buy a IM tool and learn it inside and out then provide that as a service to people who don't want to purchase it. I may throw up a few gigs from BHW and up the margin. This is more along the lines of an actual business, and I'm a bit more savoy in that field.

    The crazy thing is I've been in Tech Sales ever since I got out of the Marine Corps. I worked with Dell, Sprint, AT&T, VMware, Comcast, Charter. I've always sold business to business but have never been ever to hit my financial goals through life events or bad decisions. It's so frustrating to come here and see people killing it. Doing what I can't when I know there's no reason I can't do what they're doing. I think the reason people always read manuals, WSO's, etc. is because they're looking for what they're not being told. That's why I do it. I don't want to waste my time doing something if it's not going to prove fruitful. I should be able to see that by reading the method you're sharing. I don't want to get into something financially based on your advice and see it flop. I can throw money out of my own window. And I'm not talking about just business gut calls. Like maybe I should try to sell him the gold pack and try for the sale. I'm talking about basic things like, how am I going to get traffic. The bare bones essentials of a method are never explained. I challenge anyone to find me a WSO that does. I've read them all.

    I think the funny part is I see so many crazy lofty goals that people set and mine are so minimal in comparison. I've always wanted to make $100 a day. I could live my life and be happy with that. I would seriously do nothing but IM if I could meet that goal. When I started doing YouTube+CPA I cut it in half and said $50 a month is the bare minimum I have to make. I sadly make about $1800 at my job (9-5 base pay) now without commission and have about $500 from both paychecks to mess around with. I save some of it. I do something fun with some of it, and the rest kind of dwindles away on food and eating out. My bonus checks I put in 401K because I will be 50 one day. I want to be prepared for that.

    I think I'm at BHW now just out of frustration. I honestly can't believe I'm this big of a failure at something. It amazes me so much I have to keep coming back here to prove it over and over day after day. Maybe one day I'll find the missing piece. I think once I find direction when I hit a problem I can't solve. Then answer is usually money I don't see the value in spending to solve the problem. There has got to be a way to make money online that someone has already done or is currently doing that doesn't require me to guess on my ROI when I spend money. I refuse to believe that throwing money and hoping for the best is the only way to succeed. I've worked my ass off to get where I am career wise and I would do the same online if only I knew what to do. Until then here's a nice little journey for you to get a good laugh at every day.
     
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    You have 10 years of skills, outside of IM.
    Instead of trying to find new methods

    Think how can I bring my experiences to work for me.
    $100 dollars a day is not too high a goal. and is very achievable.
    With your skills

    If you want we can have a chat.

    Perhaps, I can throw some ideas your way
     
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  4. forvenz

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    Hi S1lv3rdo7,
    I don't know if you remember me we talked a lot in skype maybe 2-3 month ago you taught me a lot of in IM and CPA and it really surprised me you are so much time in the business and never make a decent income .
    You got a lot of knowledge in different methods and maybe this is your problem you want to try everything and you don't stick with any method.
    I think this journey is good idea for you because it will give you the persistence and determination you need , you are very smart and I wish good luck all these methods are work you just need to choose 1 ! just 1 and stick with it until you make your goals !
     
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    wish you luck!!
     
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    Blinkers aren't just for horses... (think about it!)

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    Nice read mate. I have read some your posts around the forum and they were always informative. I think by opening up and sharing your journey you will get the opportunity to network with some more members. Maybe there is no bare bones WSOs that will show you how to get traffic but there are tons of threads on here that will. Like this for example: HERE

    You want to resell SEO, again there are some great opportunities on here for that too, ask the provides what they can do to help you, check out this thread: HERE great ppl in that team.

    There is money to be made, you gotta find your niche and stick with it. As for Neobux, haha, look at my sig... I honestly use the extra funds to pay for my internet bill and proxies every month.

    Best of luck bruv, YOU CAN DO IT!
     
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  8. S1lv3rdo7

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    Thanks I appreciate that. I sent you a pm.

    Glad I could help you out. I try extra hard here because I know it's hard to come by. I got my eyes set on this business model right now. I'm going to give it a go. If anything just to ad to my resume of things I at least tried at.

    Don't even get me started on NeoBux. I'll be here all night typing. Seriously though, thanks for the threads I'll check em out. If there's one thing I've learned here is that there is an underlying community of people that really do aim to help if you come at them the right way. There will always be those assholes that have it all figured out already and sprinkle knowledge here and there. Then there will be those that grovel for the crumbs. I'm just happy to share my journey.

    I'll try to focus my idea and get some direction going as far as building my brand and getting some measurable progress. The great thing about my job is I sit at a desk all day and can do nothing but think and read BHW if I wanted to.
     
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    *******UPDATE*******

    I've developed some what of a plan of attack for this SEO site I'm trying to get going. I think it's pretty much just going to be a lead generation site for another SEO company. The reason I went this way is the profit margin. Most people who work as a middle man up sell the services 30%-40% on average. Some people do more with fiverr gigs for example. If I can make 20%-30% margin reselling a service from another company that's stable then it's a win for me. I originally was going to resell service from BHW but they come and go so fast and people aren't reliable. I'd rather just have a contact at a company and do it that way. I'd rather sell at higher prices and have less clients then have to sell more and have more clients just to make my monthly goal.

    Another reason is the monthly re-bills. As I get new clients the amount I make monthly will increase. I know people will drop off but having something like a minimum 3 month commitment will go a long way to cushion that blow. Most of the buyers on forums are reluctant to purchase something that's more than $100 and billed monthly. Hopefully that will keep away the people that would waste my time. I also don't plan on advertising or selling anything on BHW. Seeing as my service provider will be from here, and well, you don't shit where you sleep. I would never offer something to the community that's not the best of the best.

    STEP 1

    Find a kick ass theme. I have word press installed and now just need to find something I like. The logo is going to be a bitch because I suck at logos. I don't really want to buy anything just yet so I may just make up something real quick just for now. Check out my plugins and get it all set up. I'm going to leave the sales page blank until I find my service provider.

    STEP 2

    Find a reliable SEO provider who has services I can resell. I've been looking at a couple that look really solid. I want it to all be web based. I talk on the phone for a living doing sales so I don't want to keep talking to people when I get home. If I have to do it to close a deal I will. I'm open to any recommendations for SEO providers as well. Actual companies no User78x8 who has a BST thread on BHW.

    STEP 3

    Traffic. I have to figure out how in the fuck I'm going to get traffic seeing as organic traffic from Google is basically out. SEO key words are crazy hard to rank for unless you have a blog that contains long tailed keywords. I thought about adding a blog, but I'm not much in the area of content creation and I'm not paying no $5 for an article. If I start making money then maybe I'll expand that. For example, I noticed SEO Hacker has his main sales page as seohacker.com then his blog on seohacker.net. I thought that was pretty smart.

    Most of my traffic will come from Twitter, Facebook, Forum Postings. I basically just plan on joining every make money at home, IM, SEO, entrepreneur forum and just be active. Maybe make some videos on YouTube promoting the service. Again keywords and ranking will be a bitch. I really don't know of any other way to drive traffic to the site. I want actual people coming the site. I know link building and article marketing are good for rankings, but let's face it, if you're not on page 1 what's the point? Doesn't mean I won't do it, just that I have to personally reach out and grab these people. Maybe some paid advertising on websites, stuff like that later down the road. I dunno, still lost with that stuff, but it's the most important!

    I don't want to spend money in the site because the same thing always happens to me when I make something. I build this bad ass site and no one knows it's there. I can never drive traffic to anything..ever. I would say driving traffic has been the #1 thing holding me back with making money online. It's not like I haven't searched for threads about it, or researched it elsewhere. I can just never put the pieces together and make it happen.

    Well that's my plan. Thanks to everyone that hit me up in pm's and Skype. You guys are awesome. As usual comments and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is always welcome.
     
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    agree toforvenz said. the key is focus.
     
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    i just stated out and its been crazy overwhelming... i took a step back and narrowed down to 3 things i want to give whole hearted attempts at. this site has a LOT of information to digest and ive spent nights after nights researching. one of these times its going to click i just had my "OHHHHHHH SHITTTTTT" moment last night when it finally came to me and i purchased 2 sites for a niche that is on the up and they are prime for the category. Its a site that i think i can dump in the near future for ridiculous cake (hopefully) so im going to work hard on this and make it happen. maybe your moment is just a couple of clicks away or maybe this idea is it, one thing is that you gotta give it a try to know and if you keep at it and work hard you get what you put in to it. good luck man
     
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    " It's so frustrating to come here and see people killing it. Doing what I can't when I know there's no reason I can't do what they're doing. I think the reason people always read manuals, WSO's, etc. is because they're looking for what they're not being told. That's why I do it. I don't want to waste my time doing something if it's not going to prove fruitful. I should be able to see that by reading the method you're sharing. I don't want to get into something financially based on your advice and see it flop. I can throw money out of my own window."


    You aint neva lie!!!! -(I concur)
     
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    You have B2B sales experience, right?

    If so, go to yell.com find businesses listed there with no website, call them up, tell them you are with yell.com say you are giving away a free website for the yell members without a business website. Explain that it will be a very simple site, but it will have all the contact info and description of their services and products - and that is normally enough to get a few leads per week. The price is free for a very limited time and amount of people - would they want to sign up today?

    Great.... get them to sign up through your hostgator affiliate link for a hosting package (don't make it obvious.... use pretty links/bit.ly links or even better make a landing page / squeeze page and put the aff. link there), then get the details, install WP and customize it slightly... upsell them with a nice design (you can get free themes from here and you can buy some or request some from theme forest) for $100, 10 pages of content for another $150, SEO for $300 a month (outsource it for half the price to a consistent provider that has lots of positive reviews and history on the forum).

    Your problem is you see an obstacle then you say "aaaah I don't want to do that." you should be saying "hmmm, how can I go around that.".


    Good luck and remember.... where there is a will, there is a way.
     
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    This guy knows his shit. Take notes.

     
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    Thanks for your kind words, but I am just a humble affiliate and internet marketer :)

    I still have a long way to go.
     
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    I only read up to there and know exactly why you are failing.
     
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    Let me give you a piece of advice,
    Keep working on different projects all the time, don't get too stuck and obligated to one project
    because if it fails you will waste many months for nothing.

    For a beginner you need to find something that works, you must DOCUMENT EVERY STEP
    So if you find somethings that works (some method doesn't matter which) you can scale up easily
    following the exact steps that proven to work for you.

    Once you find that "Method" and scale it up, you will start earning good money online
    Stop reading WSO(s), you might get some ideas from them but nobody is going to give you free money on a plate (at least not easy money)

    Just reading this forum you can tell right away that PPD works best to people here, some of them even had 1k$+ days
    The only difference between you and them is that they tried, they took action documented their steps and when they had success (even little)
    they knew how to scale up (just keep duplicating the successful process)

    Instead of writing this 100000 words post, you could take action already.
    The advice I just gave you, sums up online success. It's pure fu**ing gold.
     
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    All the best mate. I am 5 years in and in a similar situation. Got nothing at the moment. Don't give up.
     
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    You're right when I get started on a method if I can't see it through to the end conceptually I tend to just fold it all away. I guess it's kind of like you have to be in business to have a business. I can't see which way to go without actually having a business first. I'm past that now and trying to make something happen.

    100% right (as usual) I've stopped hunting for the perfect WSO and have started putting things into motion.


    *******UPDATE********
    I've decided that if I'm going to try and sell SEO services to people I should really know what they're about. I've got a basic design on my SEO site but no services to sell. I've decided to go another direction and make some micro niche sites with Adsense. I think it'll be great practice for me to learn how sites move in the SERP's and have to work on my SEO skills to find out what works to move sites. As I pick up new skills I'll offer them for a fee on my website. So here we go!


    I was trying to decide between providers for the best Micro Niche Package.

    1) King Maker

    2) Daniel 16

    3) Star Entrepreneur

    I've decided to go with King Maker because while he is a couple bucks over price wise per blog, he does include some light SEO services in there. Communication seems to be a problem with these MNS site creators though. Every thread has complaints about them. However, King Maker has the best reviews.

    Having an awesome site is pointless if no one knows it's there. I was debating on buying SEO Spyglass so I could check the top 10 on page one and then get backlinks manually from my competitors. I got the idea from Matthew Woodwards' thread on how to steal competitors links. Spyglass looks like the best deal because the others are monthly subscriptions. I also like the fact that I can install it on my desktop.

    The only reason I don't think I should buy it is because It's going to take a couple weeks for my websites to be made and I'm going to have two weeks (or more) to do nothing with this software. I'd rather invest the money in buying more sites. That way by the time they're made, I've done on page SEO, planned out my linking strategy, it'll be the 15th again and I can buy the tool then and keep going. Paycheck on the 1st is rent!

    That's pretty much my plan.

    1) Purchase 13 MNS from King Maker
    2) Purchase the domains from namecheap.com
    3) Use Bluematters' method to verify I got some good keywords.
    4) Wait for my websites and plan out my ON page SEO / Google Tracking
    5) Purchase some sort of backlink checker program (probably spyglass)
    6) Plan out my backlinking strategy based on this article from MOZ.

    From there it's just building backlinks and adding content Until I can afford to purchase more MNS sites. I could build them myself but they're only $13 a piece and not having to do the keyword research is worth it to me. Although, I might do a few one my own just to get an idea.

    Funny thing is, I was reading through old threads about MNS and based on what's being written about them now, not much has changed.

    I see a few people saying what if you get banned from Adsense? Well I have a bidvertiser account and would probably just replace the ads. This is going to be a nice side income and will help me acquire knowledge to use in my SEO endeavors. Also the program (s) that I purchase I can offer as a service.

    What do you guys think about MNS adventure? Good Plan? Anything to Add?

    Thanks!
     
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    Honestly, if you aren't having any success after 10 years - you might want to give up. They say it takes 10 years to become an expert at something.
     
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