I was sitting at work today reading WSO's on my phone and just thinking to myself. Why not just make a journey thread. I spend so much time researching and learning about Internet Marketing I figured why not just document it. I have this insatiable urge to share with others what I've found and what I'm doing. Some people may be able to learn from me and take things further than I ever could. It blows my mind how many people achieve what I never could...yet. If you're still reading this then let's get into it. If you already left, hit the neg rep button and be on your way. I wouldn't blame you it's a sad pathetic story. I found Blackhat World my senior year in High School 2004. Ironically just before I left to join the Marine Corps. I was amazed at the people on here and what they were doing to make money. I slowly started to learn about SEO and frantically searching for methods to make me millions a day. See I was already a tech nerd. I took a bunch of computer classes. I knew about AIM bots which were all the rage back then. I was into computer security and loved networking. I mean I knew about computers I could make money online....right? 10 years later here we are. I've wasted more money on WSO's, (which I now get for free) The next IM tool that's changing the game forever, The best service to ever be offered anywhere on the net but is only sold here etc. Only to have every method change or fizzle out with my never gaining anything but experience and the ability to examine a method. Now that I've gotten older I've learned to set more realistic goals. More recently I've tried for just the bare minimum. Which is stupid because I can't even make a profitable method so why set any goal. You may say I have a "bad attitude" when it comes to IM just because I refuse to be delusional when I see something that won't work. People always put a time factor on things and never evaluate the math behind it. I'll illustrate that point later. Just because it's my journey and you're still reading it, let's start at the beginning and hear the tale. My first online venture was PPC with neobux. I thought hey, I can just click some ads and rent people to click ads for me. Awesome! The math behind it turn out that you were only making a couple hundred a month and most people barely breaking even because of the click rates of the people they rented. It turned out later that those people were actually bots clicking ads. I mean let's be honest the website isn't just going to give away money. There's always a system behind it. Once I was able to isolate the variables and plug them into an equation I saw that NEOBUX was a waste of time. Of course I came here to make a post about it and show the world. One of the best post I've ever written. The next step I took was with GPT sites. I thought to myself just get auto form filler and go to town. I signed up to about 10 websites and just got after it. I then realized that the bigger offers with credit cards was where it was at. I went to HEB and got a prepaid card, created a new account and started banking some money. I didn't know how to associate different Paypal accounts with my earnings yet so it reached it's apex. Either keep filling out offers that MIGHT fire a pixel and credit me or move on to something else. I then moved on to e-whoring. I went to every dating site I could find and created profiles and starting directing people to my CPA dating offer. Tried to hit up porn sites and chat rooms. Anything I could do to get people to that link. I made a couple people convert but nothing consistent. The problem was my accounts kept getting deleted. I would post the offer url or email address in the picture, or put it in the description. Just create an account and wait for a week then go back and answer all the pm's. The people was it was too much to manage, and it was a one on one sales effort with every pm. My next venture was Zip Submits and E-mail submits. I would post products for sale on craigslist and then when someone emailed me asking about it I would say "Hey I just sold it here (affiliate link) is the link I used to get my free one." I would get some conversions from that and I would save the email address and spam it later. Maybe $5ish dollars a day if I posted everywhere. I ran into limitations with free email services. IP issues etc. CL ghosting ads, banning accounts. I decided to expand out and post on backpage too. I even had 2 people posting for me as well. I shared the system and gave them a cut. But what's a 3 way cut of $20 for a week's worth of posting ads for 4 hours a day. It was awful. Then I moved onto the jobs posting on craigslist. I had a decent 9-5 at the time and had some money to throw around. I was doing project payday at $2.75 a lead. I would post jobs on CL and then put a link to my custom PPD lander which would lead them to sign up at the actual website and get my $2.75. I created a lander that looked like an actual business with the job description. The expenses were crazy. I had to get a $25 prepaid card from Chase and register it with the state I was posting the ad in. Then I had to have proxies and PVA's just to post. I was barely breaking even on expenses. The traffic was there but the cost was crazy. Then the crack down on jobs came. Both the advertiser and traffic source along with competition was on my tail. My next big venture was YouTube and CPA. You can read my awesome thread here. I really spent a good two weeks reading every thread and ebook on YouTube and CPA. I took all kinds of notes along the way. I really gave it 100% and thought man I'm going to fuckin nail this. Then the problem became creating content for the videos. I would try to steal it and it just wouldn't work. Flagged and deleted in minutes. The problem then became how do I create a video for fake content? I had all the tools to make it happen but no substance. PVA's, proxies, lander, awesome content locking script, YouTube rank check bot I helped Healzer build. I mean I had everything but the video. Outsource to fiverr you say? For what? I'm not spending money I know I'm not making back. I wasn't even making conversions with the fake stuff. Whelp, let's give Adsense / Amazon an honest look. I thought maybe there was something to this making money over a period of time. Add a few articles a day not too bad. My assumption was I could just make a dollar a day and just keep adding articles and see the money role in from added content. Even knowing that the average CTR for adsense is 3% based on a seminar I watch with John Chow. This is where my ROI stance comes into play. I saw a guy that said he spent a 4 hours a day and made $500 a month writing articles. That's less than $2 an hour. No way am I doing that for a website that may make even less than that!!! I've read adsense / amazon thread with people investing hundreds up from to not break even over the course of 6 months. You may view it as a part time gig, or long term investment, but if I spent a weeks paycheck I would expect it back in less than 6 months. I don't just have $300 to throw at building sites to gain back $1 a day possibly less depending on if you went with amazon. Along with the personal fact that I won't pay to outsource articles and I certainly can't write them. Adsense is out of the picture. Right now I'm sitting on this SEO services domain. My plan originally was to resell Social Media Services. After seeing the competition and several other people do that and failing horribly I decided to change my angle a little bit. I wanted to resell SEO services that were sold here at BHW. I'm still messing around with that idea. I might do something I've never done and buy a IM tool and learn it inside and out then provide that as a service to people who don't want to purchase it. I may throw up a few gigs from BHW and up the margin. This is more along the lines of an actual business, and I'm a bit more savoy in that field. The crazy thing is I've been in Tech Sales ever since I got out of the Marine Corps. I worked with Dell, Sprint, AT&T, VMware, Comcast, Charter. I've always sold business to business but have never been ever to hit my financial goals through life events or bad decisions. It's so frustrating to come here and see people killing it. Doing what I can't when I know there's no reason I can't do what they're doing. I think the reason people always read manuals, WSO's, etc. is because they're looking for what they're not being told. That's why I do it. I don't want to waste my time doing something if it's not going to prove fruitful. I should be able to see that by reading the method you're sharing. I don't want to get into something financially based on your advice and see it flop. I can throw money out of my own window. And I'm not talking about just business gut calls. Like maybe I should try to sell him the gold pack and try for the sale. I'm talking about basic things like, how am I going to get traffic. The bare bones essentials of a method are never explained. I challenge anyone to find me a WSO that does. I've read them all. I think the funny part is I see so many crazy lofty goals that people set and mine are so minimal in comparison. I've always wanted to make $100 a day. I could live my life and be happy with that. I would seriously do nothing but IM if I could meet that goal. When I started doing YouTube+CPA I cut it in half and said $50 a month is the bare minimum I have to make. I sadly make about $1800 at my job (9-5 base pay) now without commission and have about $500 from both paychecks to mess around with. I save some of it. I do something fun with some of it, and the rest kind of dwindles away on food and eating out. My bonus checks I put in 401K because I will be 50 one day. I want to be prepared for that. I think I'm at BHW now just out of frustration. I honestly can't believe I'm this big of a failure at something. It amazes me so much I have to keep coming back here to prove it over and over day after day. Maybe one day I'll find the missing piece. I think once I find direction when I hit a problem I can't solve. Then answer is usually money I don't see the value in spending to solve the problem. There has got to be a way to make money online that someone has already done or is currently doing that doesn't require me to guess on my ROI when I spend money. I refuse to believe that throwing money and hoping for the best is the only way to succeed. I've worked my ass off to get where I am career wise and I would do the same online if only I knew what to do. Until then here's a nice little journey for you to get a good laugh at every day.