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#1 with no backlinks? How is he doing it?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by webmarketingmaster, May 3, 2010.

  1. webmarketingmaster

    webmarketingmaster Regular Member

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    I just talked to an SEO guy and I cant figure out what the hell he is doing to get these sites ranked so high. This guy focuses on creating satellite sites that target a specific phrase then links them to the money site.

    Here are a few of his sites (Most are #1 for the exact phrase along with some other similar phrases).
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    http://www.soundproofchicago.com    http://www.roomadditionchicago.com  
    http://www.roomadditionchicago.net 
    http://computersupportchicago.com 
    Obviously his domains are the EXACT match for the phrases he's targeting which helps. BUT, these sites basically have NO backlinks. How the hell does this get get #1 placement with NO backlinks?

    He wouldnt tell me how he did it but he said that he uses some paid directories as part of his process. Even though I dont see any backlinks from any directories on any of these sites.

    Anyone have any ideas on how this guy does it?
     
  2. Elitepinki

    Elitepinki Power Member

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    organic traffic and just word of mouth most likely
     
  3. Teront

    Teront Newbie

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    The exact match boost is pretty strong - I've ranked some sites in the top 3 without backlinks for low to low-medium terms before.
     
  4. Jason_parker700

    Jason_parker700 Regular Member

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    get a bot to search your website constantly
     
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  5. scratbandit

    scratbandit Newbie

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    For starters his title tag is the exact match also. The domain is the same as the search. There are only 614 competing pages with quotes "sound proof chicago" Pretty self explanatory. Classic seo and no there are no links from paid directories to his page.
     
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  6. twix70

    twix70 Regular Member

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    The exact match for the long tailed keyword is pretty strong also could there be a large mailout, poster campaign or radio advertizement etc for organic traffic?
    If there are few backlinks you should be able to make inroads into their position. Good luck!
     
  7. jstover77

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    Ya the exact match helps tremendously. Then what he is probably doing is building relevant satellite sites, and building links to them to increase the money site's authority.

    You have to look at the keywords he is trying to rank with. There is no competition. So it is pretty easy to do if you have a keyword that you want to rank with that has no competition.

    - Buy a domain with the exact phrase in it
    - Create multiple sites that are extremely relevant
    - Make sure they all have links back to the money site


    Should not take you very long to rank on the first page in top 3 positions for that keyword phrase.
     
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  8. data84

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    Sorry to hijack the thread but would all of the satellite website need to be set up in a different IP adress in order for this to more effective. I was thinking of doing something similar with 3-5 sites But I was told by someone that having separate IP adresses does not matter as much as it used to. Is that accurate? I would think that if the sites where on different IP's the site would pass more authority than if the site was hosted on the same IP
     
  9. crazyflx

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    From my experience, having your sites hosted on different IP's has plenty of an effect (positive)...but not for passing more authority than if they were hosted on the same IP...but so google doesn't ban ALL of the sites/devalue all of your sites.

    What I mean is this:

    About a year ago, I had about 25 sites all hosted with the same host. None of them were interlinking, and none were related to one another.

    Some had a decent PR and even a decent natural SERP position for medium competition keywords.

    Then I thought "hey, since most of these sites have at least a PR 1 why not link them ALL together to boost the PR of all my sites and hopefully get an even better natural SERP position"

    Can you guess what happened? All my sites plummeted in the SERP's.

    When I say plummeted, I mean it. One of my sites ended up somewhere near page 65.

    I'm pretty sure having your sites hosted on different IP's isn't so much so they pass more authority on to one another, but so that google doesn't know that they are all hosted by one person who is trying to make a "link farm".

    I can't imagine what happened to me happening to you if you're only going to do it with 5 sites or so. But start doing it with 20 or more, and you're setting off a pretty big red flag.

    I set up "link farms" all the time now, and VERY successfully (sometimes with astonishingly great results), but I'm spreading my sites out on 19 different hosts.
     
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  10. dirtbag

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    Exact match .coms on terms with pretty much ZERO competition. No real rocket science involved there...
     
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  11. jstover77

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    If you get a hostgator reseller account, you can host each site on a separate IP.
     
  12. webmarketingmaster

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    Thanks everyone for the replies. I understand SEO but I thought for sure that you at least needed some backlinks to get the #1 organic spot... but... I guess you dont.
     
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    Also, He likely uses Google Maps or Businesses listings.
     
  14. wpbacklinks

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    a bit confuse.. how? OP, did you mean those sites get high position at SERP?
     
  15. webmarketingmaster

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    Thats right. #1 or 2 in the SERPS with basically no backlinks. Im trying to figure out how the guy is doing it. I know that the domain match is good but that only goes so far.
     
  16. spongecat

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    You can hide incoming links to your site as well. Build link farm, modify robots.txt to block all crawlers except google. Google usually shows only small fraction of incoming links so if all your links are from your farm only there is a chance that competition won't be able to find them.
     
  17. data84

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    I think this is how one of my competitors rules local SEO in my area, she basically has 4 older websites that look like they where built by Felix the Cat and has all of those websites filled with links to her main site(new and optimized) In some search results she has 3 out of the top 10 pages. Like you guys mentioned her competition is non existent. What would be the best strategy to try and catch her in the rankings???? Examples are below
    HTML:
    htxx://www.lakeconroehomes.com
    HTML:
    htxx://www.lakeconroehomes.net
    HTML:
    hxxp://www.water-front-homes.com/ 
    HTML:
      hxxp://www.mywoodlandshome.com/ 
    All pointing to
    HTML:
    hxxp://www.lakeconroerealty.com
     
  18. Water damage

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    It also helps with rankings when you post the websites so people here click on them to check them out.
     
  19. dirtbag

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    Never heard of anyone doing that, I'd assume that in doing so you won't be spidered by, or indexed on Yahoo/Bing etc? I've actually singled out somebody's link farm hat is competing with me using SB. None of the sites show as backlinks on Google, however I can track them done using a custom footprint quite easily. I'm gonna have to take a look and see if this is perhaps what he has going on.
     
  20. gosu22

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    Do you mean like... search your website in google, then click on it? Kinda making it seem like it's popular?