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djhickory, we have existing client relations and do great work, google was a great way to get new leads with minimal work. Getting a lead outside of SEO, we all know, is either 1)Time consuming or 2) Costly. This is why SEO/internet marketing is absolutely the best form of marketing ever...

thanks so much, cocococo , for your constructive input. I really really appreciate it. If i seem annoying I am sorry, this is not my intent. Thought I had SEO figured out, then all of a sudden its all a mystery again, lol. Well Back to square one.

SkyrocketSEO, Also, if you can help, I would be more than happy to pay for your services. But bashing someone is just not constructive.

SkyrocketSEO, Thanks for your input, but calling people "annoying"(and I apologize if i come off that way) is not constructive. I made some mistakes. I hired that guy here, asked for reviews and everyone said go for it. Maybe it was a mistake. But If you do not have anything constructive why...

cocococo, I really appreciate that! A great start. Sometimes I wonder if it would be better to just start from stratch. I do have a site that I have done NOTHING to and it ranks for the same keywords on page 4. Which is weird because there is NO CONTENT. goo.gl/Jz2gDS - ranks #43 for tampa...

cocococo, I appreciate your comment, but saying "its awful" without providing data to help is just nonconstructive. If you want to bash someone, please provide CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, say why it is bad and what can be done to fix it. I would really appreciate that. Anyone can just sit around...

edgematch, I would be 100% happy to pay whatever to an SEO expert who could help...the problem is finding out who is in the 10% and who is a scammer.

edgematch, I have tried for months to remove the links, i have asked the webmasters and used google's disallow tool, nothing. The links are still there. Read the first post "How we Recovered..." I said i was an ENGINEER, not SEO GUY, never claimed to be an SEO guy. We had a pretty BAD SEO...

Our site got hit by hummingbird hard. We were #1 for [Tampa Web Design] and did pretty well for it for the late part and early part of this year, then April's update came out and put us on page 94. We worked hard, got back to #8. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere, around the time Google...

Maybe I need more information selling SEO, if we ever want to do it seriously. We make a killing with web application development, as there are few competitors that can build what we can. Shouldn't have said those negative things. Could be our approach when we actively did it years ago, we...

Maybe I was wrong...and if so please accept my apologies, just doesn't seem like a sign about SEO, along with signs about weight loss and foreclosed houses is the most effective type of advertising for someone who is in the advertising industry(which SEO is more or less)

netmoney1 I am not making a "serious allegations", for all I know you are an expert amazing SEOer. But for you to deny that our industry(an i am including my own web development/design) is not filled with fraud and people misrepresenting their skills is just an outright lie and/or misunderstanding.

There is noone with any real marketing knowledge who would agree that a street sign is the best way to get SEO clients. I know this. Any advertising CAN work....but is this the best way? Why not tell your clients to just use street signs, which are cheaper and, as you guys say, very effective...

LOL people get angry when you bring to light their SEO scams... Again, no disrespect to the REAL SEOers out there, you deserve respect. To the scam artists, you should all be arrested for Fraud.

Dude we do not ACTIVELY search for SEO clients, but they do come from referrals from other clients, people wanting add on services or people who are completely confused as to what they want, they search for web design, come to us and ask us for SEO. also, understand verb tenses. IN PRESENT we...

Well put ShakeitOut. Thankfully we are moving into an age where all the SEO frauds and scams are much easier to spot. But there are many there. I had a client call me yesterday and asked us if we could match the price of $150 a month that another company quoted. I looked at the proposal, and...

I do not and do not want to sell SEO services. We are a web development firm. Like it or not, the vast majority of SEOers are Frauds. The top 10% are the best ones. I have seen in time and time before. Let's face it. Most SEO is scam. Is it fair to say that 80% of the people selling Search...

How can you morally tell a client that SEO will transform their business....oh but not me, I have to get leads other ways. SEO will work for you, but not me. There are ways to get SEO other than SEO, because you simply cannot compete with those who get it that way. Anyone that does not agree...

It is ridiculously hard to get SEO clients, because SO many people lie about their abilities, so many clients we meet have been burned completely. I feel is the easiest Tech field to lie about. It takes a while to see results and those results are VERY hard to quantify. We do SEO for our...

They catch unnatural links because they fall into a category where most spammy links would be in. For example "over 100 links on a page" or "unnatural content". Google has to mass categorize things or they could never efficiently search, archive and serve up the net. Even if google tried to...