DR Resolved @JP333 vs. @SpotlightRank

Dispute is resolved
Hi,

Yes, I was working as a third party. I initially confirmed the availability of r/AskAGerman with the seller, but when I went to purchase it, the seller told me it had already been sold.

I immediately informed JP333 about the situation. After that, we discussed r/WholesomeConfessions and finalized the deal. JP333 confirmed that this subreddit was acceptable, so I purchased it from another seller.

However, the next day, I was told that r/WholesomeConfessions was not a good subreddit. At that point, I had already paid for it. How can I issue a refund or provide another subreddit when the purchase has already been completed and the subreddit is no longer available?

When the buyer opened the dispute, he didn't even mention r/WholesomeConfessions. Luckily, I had saved the screenshots as evidence; otherwise, I might have been unfairly portrayed as a scammer

I have explained the complete situation honestly. I kindly request the moderators to review the full conversation and resolve this dispute as soon as possible.

Thank you.
 
@JP333 Do you have evidence that you were blocked after paying for r/AskAGerman? We can't see this in your screenshots (unless we're missing it).
 
@JP333 Do you have evidence that you were blocked after paying for r/AskAGerman? We can't see this in your screenshots (unless we're missing it).
Hi, of course.

Immediately after I sent the additional $1,700, bringing my total payment to $3,200, he blocked me on Telegram and deleted our chat history for both sides. I immediately attempted to contact him through both BHW and Telegram, as shown here: https://imgur.com/a/b93BdoJ

I sent him several follow-up messages on BHW asking why he had taken my money and blocked me. He did not respond until I opened this official dispute through you.

The only reason I still have screenshots of our conversation is that I was taking them in real time to update my boss on the negotiations. Otherwise, I would no longer have this evidence after he deleted the chat.

I also want to clarify the sequence of events, because his confession is incorrect:
  1. He confirmed that r/adblockbrowser was available, and I sent the initial payment based on that confirmation.
  2. Within five minutes, he told me it had already been sold, saying: “it was sold I didnt check in the morning.” (attached in earlier evidences)
  3. He then offered r/wholesomeConfessions as a replacement. I declined because its audience was primarily Indian and did not meet my requirements. He agreed with me declining it and accepted to provide me another one (as seen in evidences earlier attached)
  4. Since he could not provide the subreddit we had originally agreed on, I told him I was willing to pay more for another suitable subreddit.
  5. He offered r/AskAGerman but required an additional $1,700, bringing the total to $3,200.
  6. I sent the additional payment. Immediately afterward, he blocked me and deleted our Telegram conversation. (As seen in evidences from both my payments and screenshots of our communication).
The central issue remains: I paid him $3,200, did not receive the agreed subreddits (neither r/adblockbrowser or r/AskAGerman), and was blocked immediately after the final payment. He then ignored my attempts to resolve the matter until I opened this dispute.
 
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I also want to clarify the sequence of events, because his confession is incorrect:
  1. He confirmed that r/adblockbrowser was available, and I sent the initial payment based on that confirmation.
  2. Within five minutes, he told me it had already been sold, saying: “it was sold I didnt check in the morning.” (attached in earlier evidences)
  3. He then offered r/wholesomeConfessions as a replacement. I declined because its audience was primarily Indian and did not meet my requirements. He agreed with me declining it and accepted to provide me another one (as seen in evidences earlier attached)
  4. Since he could not provide the subreddit we had originally agreed on, I told him I was willing to pay more for another suitable subreddit.
  5. He offered r/AskAGerman but required an additional $1,700, bringing the total to $3,200.
  6. I sent the additional payment. Immediately afterward, he blocked me and deleted our Telegram conversation. (As seen in evidences from both my payments and screenshots of our communication).
The screenshot you provided doesn't really show conclusive proof that they immediately blocked you after payment. We need more detailed evidence than that. Also, the list you give is mostly not covered by your evidence either. More on that would help your argument significantly.

However, @SpotlightRank, I still would like to see evidence of your claims, too. You haven't really provided much of anything so far.
 
The screenshot you provided doesn't really show conclusive proof that they immediately blocked you after payment. We need more detailed evidence than that. Also, the list you give is mostly not covered by your evidence either. More on that would help your argument significantly.

However, @SpotlightRank, I still would like to see evidence of your claims, too. You haven't really provided much of anything so far.
Hi SettingSun77,

I understand why you asked for more evidence. I’ve put the screenshots in order below so you can follow what was agreed and what happened afterward.

The reason I still have these Telegram screenshots is that I was taking them during the negotiations to update my boss. They are the parts of the conversation I preserved before the chat disappeared.

1. The original agreement was specifically for r/adblockbrowser at $1,500.​


In the Telegram screenshot, I send him the r/adblockbrowser link, and he quotes $1,500, provides his wallet address, and asks me to confirm the details on BHW.
I then confirm on BHW that I am purchasing r/adblockbrowser for $1,500 and include the payment address. On October 20, SpotlightRank replies:
“Hi, yes, r/adblockbrowser is the correct subreddit, and the account details are the same ones you shared.”
This was an agreement for a specific subreddit, not a payment for whichever alternative he might later offer.

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/iayCllH​


2. After I sent the payment transaction link, he told me the subreddit had already been sold.​

The next screenshot shows me sending the transaction link at 14:30. He replies “Okay mate” at 17:18. At 19:42, he tells me the subreddit has been sold and offers r/hhcvapes instead.
I object and tell him, “I paid for another one.” He then explains:
“Bro, that subreddit had already been sold. I didn’t check the list this morning, but when I checked to provide you with the login details, I found out it was sold.”

His own message explains why he could not deliver the original subreddit after confirming the deal.

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/MXyCmie​


3. We then discussed a replacement.​


The October 24 screenshot shows me asking for a Germany-based subreddit instead of r/wholesomeConfessions. I explain what I am looking for, and he replies, “Okay give me some time.”

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/mWJ4HRT

4. He offered r/AskAGerman and quoted a total price of $3,200.​


In the next screenshot, he sends r/AskAGerman and says, “This one available.” I select it, and he quotes $3,200. When I question the price, he explains that his cost is $2,800 and his commission is $400.
This shows that r/AskAGerman was an offer he made and priced himself. He agreed that he will provide me that r/AskAGerman if I pay 3,200$ (1,500$ the first one he failed to provide + 1,700$ the difference for the new one). We agreed for this one both happily, for which I paid and here's the evidence both in Telegram and BHW (where he confirms that instead of r/adblockbrowser that he didn't provide, I will add 1,700$ more and he will provide me with his availaible subreddit r/AskAGerman)

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/U5WCkeY​


SUMMARIZING MY FINAL WORDS​

First of all, I want to clarify what my evidence shows and what this dispute is actually about:
  1. I made two payments: $1,500 and $1,700, totaling $3,200. I have provided the transaction evidence for both.
  2. The original agreement was for r/adblockbrowser at $1,500. He confirmed the subreddit and payment details on BHW and Telegram. After I paid, he told me it had already been sold and admitted that he had not checked before agreeing to the deal.
  3. I did not accept r/wholesomeConfessions as the final replacement. He offered alternatives, but I specifically told him I wanted a Germany-based subreddit instead. The screenshots show me asking for a replacement and him agreeing to look for one.
  4. He then offered r/AskAGerman for $3,200 in total. I agreed to pay the additional $1,700 on top of the $1,500 already paid. I also recorded this explicitly on BHW, and he replied “Ok.” The additional payment was to complete the deal for r/AskAGerman.
  5. I did not receive either subreddit we agreed on. To avoid any confusion, I was not expecting two subreddits for $3,200. I originally paid for r/adblockbrowser, and when he could not deliver it, we agreed to replace it with the more expensive r/AskAGerman.
Regarding Telegram, after the final payment, I found that our conversation had been deleted and believed he had blocked me. His profile picture was replaced by an “S,” and my messages appeared not to reach him. I understand those signs alone do not conclusively prove blocking, but they explain what I experienced. I then contacted him on BHW asking whether he had scammed me, and my follow-up messages went unanswered.

His claim about providing r/wholesomeConfessions does not resolve this. The screenshots show that I asked for something else and that he subsequently offered r/AskAGerman, quoted its price, and acknowledged my message about paying the additional amount. Offering or sending an unwanted substitute does not explain why the later agreement was not fulfilled.

This is not a dispute over whether the price was too high. I accepted the final price and paid it. The issue is that I paid $3,200 for an agreed subreddit and did not receive it.

I am asking for a full refund of $3,200. If he claims he fulfilled our agreement, please ask him to show exactly when and how he delivered r/AskAGerman to me to which he approved IT'S AVAILAIBLE.
 
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They do for me. Can you just copy/paste them on Icnogito please:
1. https://imgur.com/a/iayCllH
2. https://imgur.com/a/U5WCkeY

If you're talking about these? P.S make sure to scroll inside links because there can be 2-3 different pictures.

Also I'd like to add: When finalized, all our negotiations were also confirmed on BHW (including r/adblockbrowser and r/AskAGerman with the extra 1,700$). So talking about any other subreddit doesn't make sense at all.
 
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OK, @SpotlightRank, we need more evidence and input please, especially in response to these latest posts.
Hi Mods,

I have already shared all the evidence currently available to me. Unfortunately, I don't have additional screenshots of the Telegram conversation, so I cannot provide further records beyond what has already been submitted.

However, I would like to clarify an important point regarding r/wholesomeConfessions. I provided JP333 with the login details for this subreddit. The following day, he told me that he was not satisfied with it and asked me to provide another option or issue a refund.

I did not simply disappear or refuse to communicate. We continued discussing alternatives, and I tried to find another suitable option for him.

Regarding his claim that I blocked him after the final payment, I would also like to see clear evidence supporting this allegation. The screenshots presented so far do not conclusively establish that I blocked him.

I understand that this dispute needs a fair review, but I also believe both parties should be judged based on actual evidence rather than assumptions.

I respectfully ask the moderators to review the complete timeline, including the fact that login details were provided for r/wholesomeConfessions, before reaching a decision.

I'm willing to cooperate and clarify anything necessary to resolve this dispute fairly.

Thank you.
 
I respectfully ask the moderators to review the complete timeline
We're trying to do that. But you yourself have stated that you don't have any screenshots of the Telegram chats, for reasons you haven't actually clarified. We can only judge this dispute on the evidence submitted and you have provided almost nothing.
 
I understand your concern, but I want to clarify that I cannot provide screenshots of a Telegram conversation that is no longer available to me. The chat history is cleared, and unfortunately, I don't have any additional screenshots saved.

I'm not withholding evidence or refusing to cooperate. I simply don't have access to those messages anymore.

I have already submitted all the evidence currently available to me. I understand that you must make a decision based on the evidence provided, but I kindly request that you also consider the complete timeline of events.

I'm willing to cooperate with any further questions or provide any clarification needed from my side.
 
I kindly request that you also consider the complete timeline of events.
We can't do that without evidence. Why is the chat history cleared? You haven't explained what happened there.
 
I want to clarify that I did not clear the Telegram chat history. The chat is no longer available on my side, and as far as I know, it was cleared from the buyer's side.

At that time, the buyer was repeatedly asking me for a refund, and I was not responding to those messages. Unfortunately, I no longer have access to the conversation, so I cannot provide screenshots of it.

I'm not trying to avoid your questions. I'm simply explaining why I cannot provide the requested chat evidence.
 
Why did you not respond to them?
I didn't respond because I had already provided the subreddit to the buyer. However, after receiving it, they said they wanted a different subreddit or that the one provided was not suitable.

I had purchased that subreddit from a third party specifically at JP333's request. After I arranged it and provided the details, the buyer changed their mind and refused to accept it. That's why I didn't continue responding to the repeated refund requests.
 
We can't do that without evidence. Why is the chat history cleared? You haven't explained what happened there.
his explanation lmisses the chronology and facts evidenced on all screenshots i sent
  • October 20: We agreed on r/adblockbrowser for $1,500. After I paid, he told me it had already been sold.
  • October 24: I explicitly asked for a Germany-based subreddit instead of r/wholesomeConfessions. He replied, “Okay give me some time". He agreed the replacement wasn't good because it was indian and not worth the money. I was willing to pay more money for a good quality one, which he agreed.
  • He then offered r/AskAGerman for $3,200 total, and I paid the additional $1,700.
  • October 26, 2:48 PM: I confirmed on BHW that the extra $1,700 was for r/AskAGerman, bringing my total payment to $3,200. At 2:49 PM, he replied “Ok.” He agreed he didnt provide me with r/adblockbrowser and that im sending EXTRA 1.7k to make up for that and get r/AskAGerman. How much clearer can it get than this? This is confirmed in our DMs and Telegram also?
 
Situation Resolved, Thread Closed​

This thread is locked as the results are that we recommend @SpotlightRank (the accused) issues a full refund to @JP333 (the accuser), that being a sum of $3200.00.

The accuser has conclusively proven that they paid substantial sums of money for products they didn't receive. They have provided thorough and detailed evidence and have conducted themselves professionally throughout the dispute.

The accused has failed to refute any of this evidence with any proof of their own. A belated claim that the accuser deleted Telegram chats was not backed up by any evidence and they have been completely unable to prove their timeline of events. They consistently moved the goalposts with the accused relating to which products were available, blamed a third party for selling them without communication, and then, by their own admission, refused any contact with the accuser when they failed to provide the products they advertised.

Additionally, they have been conducting business during this dispute, which is strictly against the rules of a live dispute. We will now be opening a 3-way DM between the two parties and staff and the accused will be given 48 hours to issue a full refund.

We will post the final outcome of this dispute when we have it.

BHW will not communicate outside our official communication methods at any time. Read more about how BHW communicates here.​
 
Dispute Summary​

The accused has been permanently banned from BlackHat World for failing to provide the refund recommended by staff.

The dispute thread will remain live and is now open to commentary as rule 4 is no longer enforced in this thread.

Thread Open For Commentary​

BHW will not communicate outside our official communication methods at any time. Read more about how BHW communicates here.​
 
Dispute Summary​

The accused has been permanently banned from BlackHat World for failing to provide the refund recommended by staff.

The dispute thread will remain live and is now open to commentary as rule 4 is no longer enforced in this thread.

Thread Open For Commentary​
Thanks @SettingSun77 and the BHW team for reviewing all the evidence and the timeline so carefully. I appreciate how fairly this was handled.

One question: since SpotlightRank has been banned and hasn’t paid the refund, is there anything else BHW can do to help recover the $3,200? Or should I treat the ban as the final outcome on BHW’s side?

Thanks again.
 
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