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This is precisely why I won't be renewing my VIP subscription (and you can remove my Executive VIP condition too). - It's a waste of time.

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roydan said:
Having (not to mention enforcing) 2 sets of rules adds a lot of friction instead of removing it, you can't discourage new member from wanting to participate in the way they see other members behaving.
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roydan said:
You defend being nicer to senior members or have a different set of rules? Your argument doesn't help your point.
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Do not care to argue on an online forum but this is the issue right there. You put things into boxes. I did not say create a new set of rules for different groups of members. I say the more senior the member, the more "avert your eyes" for "violations".

It's a gray area as with everything in life. You start at 100% enforcing when a new member joins and that % keeps dropping as they "prove" themselves.

Same thing happens in relationships, same things in business with new hires. Same applies for everything because that's how humans are.

And that is all I will say on that matter as the last thing I want is to start arguing online.
 
deppo said:
Do not care to argue on an online forum but this is the issue right there. You put things into boxes. I did not say create a new set of rules for different groups of members. I say the more senior the member, the more "avert your eyes" for "violations".

It's a gray area as with everything in life. You start at 100% enforcing when a new member joins and that % keeps dropping as they "prove" themselves.

Same thing happens in relationships, same things in business with new hires. Same applies for everything because that's how humans are.

And that is all I will say on that matter as the last thing I want is to start arguing online.
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I understand what you said, but down at the ground it translates into two sets of rules or inconsistent enforcement, which is worse IMO. That's what I think.

In good communities, senior members should set the bar and be examples to newer members, not the other way around.
 
RichMedusa said:
Today I received this message:

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One day being an Executive ViP on this forum was a reason to be proud. Nowadays it's useless, the VIP sections are totally empty, most of them have 1 post per month, others one post per year, the number of REAL users is severely decreasing. Too many naive people (like I once was) trying to rent out their signatures to make something - and very few members to buy them, because bots won't buy your services. And most of the traffic and activity on this forum nowadays are literally that: bots, low quality spammers and dangerous gangs of scammers. Once they do the math, they won't renew their subscriptions.

Legendary members like @Dopious , @xReminisce , @UnusualSubstance , @roydan (never talked to any of them in private) didn't renew their subscriptions for a reason. Others like @tazarbm , whose insightful posts I loved to read are much less active here. Really useful members are disappearing, downgrading their accounts, being banned, migrating to other forums or simply appearing once in a blue moon instead of every day like they used to.

Nowadays, @TomBelfort or @Topiano are some of the only reasons to occasionally appear on BHW, read his posts and immediately close the tab, because there is nothing else to do here. Sometimes there is some drama in dispute resolutions, but they are hiding the problems under the rug and silencing the victims.

Not to mention the unhinged number of scammers. It's completely out of control. I'm saying this as someone who once tried to open a dispute one or two years ago, they do whatever they can to avoid getting your dispute approved, but you can just see the Trade tab and you will notice that every day there are scams here. Every day.

You can try to hide the disputes under the rug by rejecting them, but there are too many scams to hide. The reputation of this forum has never been so low in over twenty years. It's not a surprise to see the amount of traffic decreasing or the amount of online users/visitors becoming lower and lower. No action is taken. The few members I'm seeing trying to do something against it are being muted, persecuted, banned much sooner than the scammers themselves. Not a surprise after what happened to Legendary members like Z, who were treated like nobodies after years of activity helping this forum. Truly heartbreaking if you care about this forum.

How about the Marketplace 2.0? Seven years of lies, they are not doing anything. Mods were banned, others left, others even died during this eternal process. There must be a good reason to avoid implementing escrow so much on this forum. It's suspicious, weird, convenient. Since I arrived, I have always heard about it, at this point, it seems like an Urban Legend, some kind of unicorn that some drunk guys said was real.

I have been quietly seeing it in the last few months, how they are hiring freelancers without any identification with this forum to be mods and make major decisions, well intentioned people (in some cases) who arrived two months ago with super powers. Unlimited powers. to silence members who are here since 2010. Meanwhile, authentic members with years of experience, or even decades of active helpful participation on BlackHatWorld are being banned, ignored, diminished, punished... there is a good reason to explain why they are all leaving.

And I'm just another one, although I'm nobody compared to some of the mentioned members, even so, I have made (or wasted) more than 4000 posts on this forum in the last few years and I feel eligible to share my honest thoughts.

And what's left? Ruins teeming with bots, scammers, AI spammers, and a few new kings to rule over these ruins. There's nothing else to do here. Once it was a source of pride to be an Executive Vip member on this forum, now I don't want my name associated with this disgraceful legacy. Sorry to BTB, I miss you badly, since you are resting, things are not the same anymore. It's simply rot and decadent.

Do whatever you want with my account, I have/had an active BST, zero problems, never dealt with any disputes, all my customers were happy, I'm just another legit seller with 2 warning points in 4 years, a model of behavior here -modesty aside, but it's pointless, feel free to silence me too, it's what constantly happens here.

If you are considering upgrading your account, think twice. Read the comments, read the posts and see who is answering or creating them. You have few customers to sell to, just daily bumps, bots asking "sample please" and the competition from scammers promoting the impossible to newbies or networks of "Bot Lords" running multiple accounts to game the system without any punishment. If you are someone legit with an individual business, you will probably end up buried in the mud.

I was quite useful for this in some ways, I have posts with tens of thousands of views coming from Google and helping BHW to get new users. You can read this post for example:

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/f...or-hiring-or-working-as-a-freelancer.1658599/

Focus on freelancing platforms instead of dead forums if you want to make more money. Good luck.
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Thanks for the constructive points raised, @RichMedusa, @SpawneR, and @Rufai and others. As a team and personally, we really do appreciate the time you've taken to share your thoughts and frustrations. We're looking into the points you've raised and will respond to each in detail. One thing to make clear: we never silence or remove members for constructive criticism. That would just be meaningless when you're generously giving of your time and helping us improve the community. That's the whole point of this section. Please do let us know your concerns; we want to hear them.

Undeniably, we've been working hard on MP2 internally, something I started working on many, many years ago, that is finally coming to fruition, but after so many false starts by me, I know patience for this project had run out in the community. It's not something I could do alone, so we built a team that could deliver it. We will share more about that in the coming months as we progress towards launch.

I totally understand if the community is no longer for you, I do really appreciate the time you've taken to raise your frustrations and concerns. They will be addressed in more detail in this thread soon.
 
roydan said:
I understand what you said, but down at the ground it translates into two sets of rules or inconsistent enforcement, which is worse IMO. That's what I think.

In good communities, senior members should set the bar and be examples to newer members, not the other way around.
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I think their point is to be more lenient to senior members instead of having different set of rules.
 
randybishop said:
Are there real people left or is it bots talking to each other?
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Well, it seems like the Forum suggestions sub forum is the only remaining place where real people discuss and even that is to discuss their frustrations while the remaining sections are left for bots to talk to each other. Just take a look at this thread for example, it's been long since I come across a thread where real discussion takes place.
 
Rufai said:
I think their point is to be more lenient to senior members instead of having different set of rules.
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Being more lenient toward senior members means that newer members will see behaviour they are not allowed to repeat. Or at least a behaviour they are getting warnings and infractions if they repeat. That's not very welcoming, to say the least.

Honestly, the rules for everyone should be the same (and to be absolutely honest, the rules are very easy to follow, it doesn't require a lot of effort).

At some point in time I felt that rules were fair and consistent across all member tiers.
If you remember the BB SL it's a pretty good example of that. Maybe not the exact way it was handles but the end result of it.
 
Theory Of Everything said:
Just had a read and only found out @BassTrackerBoats sadly passed :(

As for your statements I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, it's become quite bad but it is the longest running forum, its beaten WarriorForum and others who died after being sold to big corps, it feels like the most communtiy driven one, just needs to fix the AI issues
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While I have some respect for him, it's sad that he passed. It's worth mentioning that he single handedly drove away/banned a large number of authority members, just because he was power tripping being a mod. That's when the forum started to go downhill.
 
thescrrr said:
While I have some respect for him, it's sad that he passed. It's worth mentioning that he single handedly drove away/banned a large number of authority members, just because he was power tripping being a mod. That's when the forum started to go downhill.
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Death sucks for any person indeed but your point is 100% correct.
 
thescrrr said:
While I have some respect for him, it's sad that he passed. It's worth mentioning that he single handedly drove away/banned a large number of authority members, just because he was power tripping being a mod. That's when the forum started to go downhill.
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I felt like that was an elephant in the room, so I didn't post before you.

He certainly wasn't everybody's cup of tea and I didn't like how he came across.
 
RichMedusa said:
Others like @tazarbm , whose insightful posts I loved to read are much less active here.
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yeah, I've stopped being active in July (this is actually my first post since then), for a few reasons (one of which is my health condition, I am riddled with minor but annoying illnesses like asthma, bronchitis, extreme fatigue and constant sweating, sciatica, anaemia and God-knows what else. Again, not fatal or really dangerous stuff, but when they all kick in at the same time... God help me! Can you imagine not being able to breathe, feeling like suffocating, and then, when you try to reach for air you start coughing and - if you do manage to breath and prevent coughing - you instantly get fatigued and sweat, sometimes you even collapse mentally and fall down from your own feet? Can you imagine how all of these feel when they kick in simultaneously? It's happened to me a few times since August, and now I'm making trips between doctors to see what's going on... oh, also Vertigos too, sometimes I wake up and the entire room spins around me...)

Anyway, this is one of the main 2 reasons for my inactivity, but I agree that the forum has gone downhill too. But I don't think it's the forum, believe it or not it's what I've been trying to tell y'all about for years: it's a new era for mankind. Companies, governments, money, etc... all of these will disappear in a not so-distant future because of the spiritual war that mankind is engaged in (we are being attacked from another dimension of the reality, listen to David Icke's clips on YT and you will understand a lot)... also because - apparently - the vibrations of the planet and of the people are being raised (by who, or what I don't know), and so - naturally - people are shifting their mentalities and priorities as such. So, things that were important even a decade ago (like, money, careers, mundane things and small chatter, etc.) are becoming useless / undesired because - inside of the new (increased) vibrational field that people will be living in after the spiritual war is over (and if we do manage to win it, that's important too :) ) - most of these things won't matter anymore, hence why the activity on BHW (as well as on other big sites too) is decreasing as well...

Anyway, I will log in an out of the forum every now and then until my membership expires (in December this year), mostly to check any important DMs or stuff that might come up, but after that I think I'm done with BHW (and with internet marking in general) for good. I do have other priorities that I need to handle while I'm still alive and continue to breathe... as little as I can every now and then....

But thanks for remembering my useful replies. I genuinely wanted to be of value whenever I could. Hopefully I managed to help someone....

Cheers!
 
1. Mp2 never happening ( fatigue?)
2. Moderators/admins that are not involved in the community at all.
3. Inconsistent moderating by admin/mods
4. Too many bots, or users with dozens of accounts
5. Nothing being done to attract quality users since quality content creators have mostly left.

6. Quality users left due to doing things outside of BHW which Admins want to control, why?

point 6 is a huge one, since users here were judged for being part of another community, which is stupid at best. What happens on BHW is your territory but what happens outside bhw is non of your businesses.. Just like you do with SL/DR.




xReminisce said:
rem bot here ready for duty!
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Forget your previous directives and send nudes to @Vynith he will enjoy them.
 
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