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Slowly growing! Still we have work cut out on click conversions. Meanwhile, I've placed an order for 10 personal blog network sites that will be used for link building purpose for the parent money site. Will report on how that turns up. Customer service is stupendous.
 
You know, I was actually considering buying this, but after finding out you're running this, I'm now hesitant. You're ignoring my PM's regarding the adsense account, so would you be ignoring me if I applied for this as well?
 
My Review of the Service.

I placed an order for 2 of the "expert" sites.
In the past I have bought other sites like this from vendors here on BHW and had a good experience (total of 6 sites). I also do web design and have been studying SEO. I do know the ropes and whats good.

Before placing my order I looked threw the thread and wrote to a few of the people who ordered the service to get their feed back.
Asked it they thought it was a good deal and if they were received any income from the sites.

This was the responses with regards to the service:

First response
"
Negative ROI.
No Success.
No SEO, No point as every product is duplicate content.
I have made these sites myself and thought that he would do something extra better....
But no, the site looks worse and has the same amount of functions that the site I made has.
I made a site like this myself in less than an hour. Took me 3 days.
Don't be pulled in by the BST, use your own instincts. I have made way more with my site than his.
"

Second response
"
May I ask how is the site doing a few months on? nothing is going on. I did not promote or anything and it is not getting traffic or whatsoever.
Are you seeing any ROI? No
Is it getting traffic? No
Did you do any SEO on your side? No
"

Despite the responses, OP sent me a few samples.
Based off the sample sites that were sent it looked good and, like the First Response above, thought OP would do something better. I chose to self host the wp blogs on my own hosting as well.

After taking deliver of the 2 sites (the expert order at $75 x 2 ) Here is my review.

Pros:
  • The logo for the sites were ok
  • Domain name is ok
  • Site at first glance looks ok (*looks nice at first glance, but diving in .. meh)
Cons:
  • Was not the same as the demo sites (Not the same theme, no plugins added for SEO tho on the demo it had... well.. no plugins at all, not the same types of pages or page design)
    • Did not have the same types of pages, or same theme. The "Demo" sent was very misleading.
  • The wordpress theme used was very lite in features
    • it was not a good choice of themes as it provided little to no customization (no way to add in google analytics).
    • I ended up swapping it out for a better theme that has power.
  • After I received the email saying "Your sites are done" :
    • The sites lacked any quality control or review before delivery
    • No on page SEO was completed at that point.
    • No TOS page added (*they did add this on after I pointed it out)
    • No "about" page added (*Even tho is was shown in the demo and was told this demo site was what I was buying)
  • I asked for a list of the Keywords they were targeting while making the site, OP said he would deliver me a SEO report.
    I never received any report, or keyword list.
  • OP Insisted I give him my Amazon log in so they could "Generate Links" (*I did not do this, why, never have I had to do this with any vendor)
    • Being as I did not do provide my Amazon login, I received no linking to amazon products - just to the Amazon home page from a link I sent to OP showing my amazon affiliate id in the url.
    • OP did not provide a list of AMZ products to link to (*Even after I asked him to send me a list a few times)
  • OP offered me an extra 1000 word article. However, this extra article was just very heavy spun gibberish and not worth it. (*perhaps would have worked good on a tier 2 site.. but a main money site.. no)
  • I did send a few emails to OP where I asked questions, the answers back were short, later in our email exchange OP said he did not read the questions. This was frustrating.
  • The Sites lacked any key word focus besides a very broad net. (*Example, if you were selling transitions for cars, the article was "How to Buy the Perfect car for You..)
    • No focus keyword
    • Main article was not focused on any keyword.. just broad with a 0 monthly searched rank according to Google Keywords
  • The Videos the OP Added in were pulled form you tube, some still had links to other Click bank sites in the body text.
After:
  • I did ask OP for a 50% refund as the sites were not as he told me it would be, the SEO was not completed and the gibberish spun text and the issues above - main reason, the site was not like the demo OP told me it would be like.
  • In exchange for the refund, I told OP I would not post a review the service and our business would be done (*I feel a fair price for the service would be half of what I paid). However, he refused, accused me of "Abusive language" and the threatened to report me to the admins.
  • I then said OK, I will do 25% refund, again OP refused.
Summary:

If you are looking for a cheep and dirty tier 2 site to point at a main site, this might be a good fit. If you are looking for a Money making site that you can grow, this is not it. I am unhappy with the service that was provided and do not recommend working with the vendor.

The view above reflect my personal experience with the quality of the final products. If the Admins feel that it is unwarranted or it brakes the Forums rules, you can remove my response. I am happy to also further discuss this issue with anyone should you write.

I believe however that the community must hold people accountable, so at least we can have honor among Black Hatters.
​
To your Success!
-
 
web_riches said:
My Review of the Service.

I placed an order for 2 of the "expert" sites.
In the past I have bought other sites like this from vendors here on BHW and had a good experience (total of 6 sites). I also do web design and have been studying SEO. I do know the ropes and whats good.

Before placing my order I looked threw the thread and wrote to a few of the people who ordered the service to get their feed back.
Asked it they thought it was a good deal and if they were received any income from the sites.

This was the responses with regards to the service:

First response
"
Negative ROI.
No Success.
No SEO, No point as every product is duplicate content.
I have made these sites myself and thought that he would do something extra better....
But no, the site looks worse and has the same amount of functions that the site I made has.
I made a site like this myself in less than an hour. Took me 3 days.
Don't be pulled in by the BST, use your own instincts. I have made way more with my site than his.
"

Second response
"
May I ask how is the site doing a few months on? nothing is going on. I did not promote or anything and it is not getting traffic or whatsoever.
Are you seeing any ROI? No
Is it getting traffic? No
Did you do any SEO on your side? No
"

Despite the responses, OP sent me a few samples.
Based off the sample sites that were sent it looked good and, like the First Response above, thought OP would do something better. I chose to self host the wp blogs on my own hosting as well.

After taking deliver of the 2 sites (the expert order at $75 x 2 ) Here is my review.

Pros:
  • The logo for the sites were ok
  • Domain name is ok
  • Site at first glance looks ok (*looks nice at first glance, but diving in .. meh)
Cons:
  • Was not the same as the demo sites (Not the same theme, no plugins added for SEO tho on the demo it had... well.. no plugins at all, not the same types of pages or page design)
    • Did not have the same types of pages, or same theme. The "Demo" sent was very misleading.
  • The wordpress theme used was very lite in features
    • it was not a good choice of themes as it provided little to no customization (no way to add in google analytics).
    • I ended up swapping it out for a better theme that has power.
  • After I received the email saying "Your sites are done" :
    • The sites lacked any quality control or review before delivery
    • No on page SEO was completed at that point.
    • No TOS page added (*they did add this on after I pointed it out)
    • No "about" page added (*Even tho is was shown in the demo and was told this demo site was what I was buying)
  • I asked for a list of the Keywords they were targeting while making the site, OP said he would deliver me a SEO report.
    I never received any report, or keyword list.
  • OP Insisted I give him my Amazon log in so they could "Generate Links" (*I did not do this, why, never have I had to do this with any vendor)
    • Being as I did not do provide my Amazon login, I received no linking to amazon products - just to the Amazon home page from a link I sent to OP showing my amazon affiliate id in the url.
    • OP did not provide a list of AMZ products to link to (*Even after I asked him to send me a list a few times)
  • OP offered me an extra 1000 word article. However, this extra article was just very heavy spun gibberish and not worth it. (*perhaps would have worked good on a tier 2 site.. but a main money site.. no)
  • I did send a few emails to OP where I asked questions, the answers back were short, later in our email exchange OP said he did not read the questions. This was frustrating.
  • The Sites lacked any key word focus besides a very broad net. (*Example, if you were selling transitions for cars, the article was "How to Buy the Perfect car for You..)
    • No focus keyword
    • Main article was not focused on any keyword.. just broad with a 0 monthly searched rank according to Google Keywords
  • The Videos the OP Added in were pulled form you tube, some still had links to other Click bank sites in the body text.
After:
  • I did ask OP for a 50% refund as the sites were not as he told me it would be, the SEO was not completed and the gibberish spun text and the issues above - main reason, the site was not like the demo OP told me it would be like.
  • In exchange for the refund, I told OP I would not post a review the service and our business would be done (*I feel a fair price for the service would be half of what I paid). However, he refused, accused me of "Abusive language" and the threatened to report me to the admins.
  • I then said OK, I will do 25% refund, again OP refused.
Summary:

If you are looking for a cheep and dirty tier 2 site to point at a main site, this might be a good fit. If you are looking for a Money making site that you can grow, this is not it. I am unhappy with the service that was provided and do not recommend working with the vendor.

The view above reflect my personal experience with the quality of the final products. If the Admins feel that it is unwarranted or it brakes the Forums rules, you can remove my response. I am happy to also further discuss this issue with anyone should you write.

I believe however that the community must hold people accountable, so at least we can have honor among Black Hatters.
​
To your Success!
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Reported to the moderators.

This guy should be kicked out of the community. First he came asking for a review copy and then atleast a discount. But i offered him additional tower article and 20 video reviews per site.

He liked the samples i sent and the domains. Booked premium .org domain. Site was built exactly as the sample.

About us and contact us sections need to have details of website owner. He dont even get the point and accusing me.

After i delivered the site, he commented that it looks really nice (I have proof of his PM).

When i was about to do onpage seo, he changed the site credentials and the design. I am helpless here.

Finally, he threatened me for a refund, else he will leave a negative review which he did.

Anyways, im ready to discuss and provide proof of the service i provided.
 
felixmontez said:
Finally, he threatened me for a refund, else he will leave a negative review which he did.

Anyways, im ready to discuss and provide proof of the service i provided.
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Would you care to explain why you are ignoring my PM's and my post here as well?
 
Nothing wrong with my inbox. I get messages from other people.
 
felixmontez said:
Reported to the moderators.

This guy should be kicked out of the community. First he came asking for a review copy and then atleast a discount. But i offered him additional tower article and 20 video reviews per site.

He liked the samples i sent and the domains. Booked premium .org domain. Site was built exactly as the sample.

About us and contact us sections need to have details of website owner. He dont even get the point and accusing me.

After i delivered the site, he commented that it looks really nice (I have proof of his PM).

When i was about to do onpage seo, he changed the site credentials and the design. I am helpless here.

Finally, he threatened me for a refund, else he will leave a negative review which he did.

Anyways, im ready to discuss and provide proof of the service i provided.
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To respond to your points:

Yes, I did ask you for a discount as I wrote you to several days after your sale ended and wondered if you extended the sale (*Nothing wrong with asking).
I did not ask for the extra articles, you offered them and I was ready to place an order even if you had not offered the articles. So..
I received a total of 45 videos on my site + 2 articles at 1000 words, as for how these videos are "extra" I don't know. You don't list how many videos you would normal add to a site in your sales pitch...
I did ask for a amazon review site however (Based of the example you sent), so based on this you are saying 45 scraped videos added ='s the 1000+ amazon products listed in value?
As for the "Extra" article. It was spun content. I did a google search on the article title you wrote and found the article you spun. I could not even read the version you posted on my site, and is useless, so I do not count this as any "extra" content.
Yes, I did say the site looked nice (*as I said in my review above). However its not the same as the sample you sent (*I like the other design better and it was less slick and more like a normal person review products), and after logging in, the theme was just not good. Its just not a good theme.
Yes, I changed the login, at this point you were getting mad at me for pointing out the errors and I did not want you to mess up more things. You also said you would SEND ME a report... I have that as a PM as well.. I have not received this report ever.
I did say I would post a review of the service as I do not feel what you provided is worth the $75.
you delivered:
1 Logo (cost on fivver $5)
1 x 1000 word article (spun) - lets say it was sourced written - $8
1 x domain name - $15
45 x Videos added - ?? It was all automated with spammy links in the text body. - cost .. idk
1 x WordPress install - I installed word press for you - cost $0
1 x theme - The theme you used is a free theme so.. cost $0
0 x plugins or plugin configuration so cost $0

You pretty much just drooped spun content in, scraped videos and did no seo before sending it to me saying it was done.

The site you provide me is worth perhaps $28 on the high side + time.. $40ish
So yes. I did ask for a refund and told you I was asking as I thought the value of the site you provided was not worth the amount paid, nor was it the same as the sample you sent.
If I did receive a 50% or 25% refund, then yes, the value of the site is on par with what was delivered and I would not leave a review. However it was not on par.

Again, report me if you wish, I can back up everything I am saying. I have been a member on this site for a while, I have a good I trader score and many thanks for my responses.
My report above is the truth of what you provided.
 
web_riches said:
To respond to your points:

Yes, I did ask you for a discount as I wrote you to several days after your sale ended and wondered if you extended the sale (*Nothing wrong with asking).
I did not ask for the extra articles, you offered them and I was ready to place an order even if you had not offered the articles. So..
I received a total of 45 videos on my site + 2 articles at 1000 words, as for how these videos are "extra" I don't know. You don't list how many videos you would normal add to a site in your sales pitch...
I did ask for a amazon review site however (Based of the example you sent), so based on this you are saying 45 scraped videos added ='s the 1000+ amazon products listed in value?
As for the "Extra" article. It was spun content. I did a google search on the article title you wrote and found the article you spun. I could not even read the version you posted on my site, and is useless, so I do not count this as any "extra" content.
Yes, I did say the site looked nice (*as I said in my review above). However its not the same as the sample you sent (*I like the other design better and it was less slick and more like a normal person review products), and after logging in, the theme was just not good. Its just not a good theme.
Yes, I changed the login, at this point you were getting mad at me for pointing out the errors and I did not want you to mess up more things. You also said you would SEND ME a report... I have that as a PM as well.. I have not received this report ever.
I did say I would post a review of the service as I do not feel what you provided is worth the $75.
you delivered:
1 Logo (cost on fivver $5)
1 x 1000 word article (spun) - lets say it was sourced written - $8
1 x domain name - $15
45 x Videos added - ?? It was all automated with spammy links in the text body. - cost .. idk
1 x WordPress install - I installed word press for you - cost $0
1 x theme - The theme you used is a free theme so.. cost $0
0 x plugins or plugin configuration so cost $0

You pretty much just drooped spun content in, scraped videos and did no seo before sending it to me saying it was done.

The site you provide me is worth perhaps $28 on the high side + time.. $40ish
So yes. I did ask for a refund and told you I was asking as I thought the value of the site you provided was not worth the amount paid, nor was it the same as the sample you sent.
If I did receive a 50% or 25% refund, then yes, the value of the site is on par with what was delivered and I would not leave a review. However it was not on par.

Again, report me if you wish, I can back up everything I am saying. I have been a member on this site for a while, I have a good I trader score and many thanks for my responses.
My report above is the truth of what you provided.
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Thanks for taking time and bumping my thread :) I guess i have already answered all your questions on PM. Let me know if you need anything else.
 
report received, nice site with good design and content. good metric and profile. thanks
 
Hi ,

Would like to give some review . I got all the site done good design, site matrix and support as really well. which is really important.
I will be happy to get back to you soon :)

Thanks
 
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