Google update just now? 10/4?
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Scritty
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Seeing some real shitty inner pages of sites ranking "Contact pages" and crap like that - totally useless for searchers.
Also in a couple of my niches the tier one sites are way outranking the main site. Given that the quality of linking my tier 2 gives my tier 1 is..to put it bluntly..."Not very good" and the content on those tier ones is also way below the quality on the target site, it seems like, for the time being - Google is promoting shit.
I suspect we are in mid shuffle again.
Overall my larger sites are seeing WAAAY more traffic today - but not for the keywords I targeted! Looking by main blogs traffic has gone up almost 60% with referrals for terms I have never even tried to rank for and - to be honest - really don't offer a great deal of useful information to the visitor for.
Guessing like all Penguin updates that this is an iterative process that will take several days - if not a week or two to settle.
P1 took 6 weeks - P2 only about week/10 days hopeing 2.1 settles in less time than that.
My take away from experience with this update is
SIT TIGHT - This is a almost certainly a transitionary phase. Don't draw conclusions for a good few days yet - 10th maybe? See where you are then.
Hell if like me you are still ranking for all sorts of new words, might as well jump on that and take advantage, but I think that will change and things return roughly to normal for most (not all) once the update is complete.
Also - unless you've recieved a note from Google ref links - don't go link killing. And even if you do - think long and hard about it. Don't let Google's asinine invention of negative SEO win if you can help it
Scritty
Also in a couple of my niches the tier one sites are way outranking the main site. Given that the quality of linking my tier 2 gives my tier 1 is..to put it bluntly..."Not very good" and the content on those tier ones is also way below the quality on the target site, it seems like, for the time being - Google is promoting shit.
I suspect we are in mid shuffle again.
Overall my larger sites are seeing WAAAY more traffic today - but not for the keywords I targeted! Looking by main blogs traffic has gone up almost 60% with referrals for terms I have never even tried to rank for and - to be honest - really don't offer a great deal of useful information to the visitor for.
Guessing like all Penguin updates that this is an iterative process that will take several days - if not a week or two to settle.
P1 took 6 weeks - P2 only about week/10 days hopeing 2.1 settles in less time than that.
My take away from experience with this update is
SIT TIGHT - This is a almost certainly a transitionary phase. Don't draw conclusions for a good few days yet - 10th maybe? See where you are then.
Hell if like me you are still ranking for all sorts of new words, might as well jump on that and take advantage, but I think that will change and things return roughly to normal for most (not all) once the update is complete.
Also - unless you've recieved a note from Google ref links - don't go link killing. And even if you do - think long and hard about it. Don't let Google's asinine invention of negative SEO win if you can help it
Scritty
verilix
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It affects new sites as well. I've seen several new websites (1 month old) all take hits to the groin today.
Like others have suggested; just wait it out. Don't panic. Don't go spamming backlinks like mad. Don't go changing all the meta tags/titles/themes/whatever on your site. Just leave it and do what you normally do. Pretend the update isn't even happening.
Like others have suggested; just wait it out. Don't panic. Don't go spamming backlinks like mad. Don't go changing all the meta tags/titles/themes/whatever on your site. Just leave it and do what you normally do. Pretend the update isn't even happening.
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everything's good for me as well.. usual G dance.
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I track a b2b keyword phrase that is high competition - the first 10-15 results in G. I'm just looking at backlink profiles right now.
Site A was ranked #1 and went to 183 for the phrase
- zero anchor diversity - all either had the exact keyword phrase or it was part of a larger phrase
- 90% or better NF bls
- the profile has a lot of of spun (or shaky grammar) cheap/free press release links. The non-pr links were all non-US, which is curious given that their target customers are US based. It also looks bad that they have an English anchor in sites that are all German, Italian, or Russian.
- This site pre update, also ranked similarly for every slight permutation of the phrase and tanked accordingly for those also
What is kind of funny is that it looks like this site and another one that targets the same and also ranked highly, are either partners or the same owner has them both. I'll call this one A2. A2 used to rank #1 for this KW about 4 months ago until site A topped them in the last couple months. After this update, A2 is back on top at #1. A2's link profile is much healthier - good diversity, including company name and naked url, 50/50 do/no follow.
What is pathetic as far as relevant search results go is that A2, given their link profile, should never rank for this phrase going on link profile alone. Almost all of their links are about jobs related to this field - not what people are searching for (a service) when they type this into G.
Site B was ranked #5 and went to 58 for the phrase
- Decent anchor diversity on the surface, but about half of them had a US state in the anchor
- >90% were nofollow
- the greatest type of bls were signature forum links on mostly SEO topics, which the target keyphrase has nothing to do with
- *note: this site has a couple of legitimate state government bls which may have helped them quite a bit pre-update but apparently no more.
On site B, I did take a look at their on-page. The content is written well but there is a lot of keyword stuffing. It's actually kind of impressive they could stuff the keyword in there so many times and still make sense. I never looked at it before so don't know if it was this way when they had top rankings or not.
internalsoul
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I'm not making this up
They do have a patent on this system....I don't know the pat number, but I recall having read it. They do several tricks. One of them is to deliberately take a website and nuke it to page 20 and then monitor the reaction, if the site is changed they flag it for closer inspection.
If you don't react and sit still, you'll be fine. It's like Jurassic Park movie, remember the T-Rex can only see movement? If you sit still it goes away.
Google is the WWW's monopolistic t-rex, when they stare at you, you stay put and don't move, they go away stealing $$$ from others.
Remember all of Google's content is scraped and they have 100% ads above the fold. That should tell you about Fart Butts' character when imposing his quality bullshit on you when his employer practices ZERO of it.
I agree with you completely. It has just been a monopoly business.
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I'm not making this up
They do have a patent on this system....I don't know the pat number, but I recall having read it. They do several tricks. One of them is to deliberately take a website and nuke it to page 20 and then monitor the reaction, if the site is changed they flag it for closer inspection.
If you don't react and sit still, you'll be fine. It's like Jurassic Park movie, remember the T-Rex can only see movement? If you sit still it goes away.
Google is the WWW's monopolistic t-rex, when they stare at you, you stay put and don't move, they go away stealing $$$ from others.
Remember all of Google's content is scraped and they have 100% ads above the fold. That should tell you about Fart Butts' character when imposing his quality bullshit on you when his employer practices ZERO of it.
One of the best analogies i have ever seen.
scottlies
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Agree 100% with what UNCLEBUCK, bartosimpsonio and Scritty said at this thread. Sit Tight, watch for your keyword/site movement and DON'T DO anything (yet) that can truly impact your links (link removals, bulk addition of links etc.).
As of this writing, I am seeing some of my keywords crawling back up to the top again, not that much but its an indication that the shuffle/shake/dance is not yet done and something big or new is yet to come (hoping its a good one for all of us in here).
As of this writing, I am seeing some of my keywords crawling back up to the top again, not that much but its an indication that the shuffle/shake/dance is not yet done and something big or new is yet to come (hoping its a good one for all of us in here).
Scritty
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@internalsoul
Rank Transition Modifying is what you're looking for here
They patented it in July 2012 - they have not said whether they have used it yet, but all indications is that they have.
It's to test a webmasters reaction to being moved in an attempt to spot those that resort to spam.
As an idea it's a bit like starving someone to see whether they resort to stealing bread to feed their family, then proudly proclaiming this proved they were thieves all along.
A bit like the plot of Trading Places - or the sort of stupid trick the psychotic/sociopathic kid at school would do with his art farm.
Proves beyond reasonable doubt that Google are a bunch of unpleasant, hypocritical cu^ts.
Rank Transition Modifying is what you're looking for here
They patented it in July 2012 - they have not said whether they have used it yet, but all indications is that they have.
It's to test a webmasters reaction to being moved in an attempt to spot those that resort to spam.
As an idea it's a bit like starving someone to see whether they resort to stealing bread to feed their family, then proudly proclaiming this proved they were thieves all along.
A bit like the plot of Trading Places - or the sort of stupid trick the psychotic/sociopathic kid at school would do with his art farm.
Proves beyond reasonable doubt that Google are a bunch of unpleasant, hypocritical cu^ts.
verilix
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An update on earlier when I said I'd seen no movement:
I had 3 websites sitting on page 3 all drop off to page 10+ earlier today. It's now 11:12pm, about to hit midnight, and those same keywords are all back on page 3, slightly higher then before. I've currently done nothing to them, just been tracking them. I'm expecting more drops and hopefully more raises, but I'll post updates as I witness them.
Regards,
~ver.
I had 3 websites sitting on page 3 all drop off to page 10+ earlier today. It's now 11:12pm, about to hit midnight, and those same keywords are all back on page 3, slightly higher then before. I've currently done nothing to them, just been tracking them. I'm expecting more drops and hopefully more raises, but I'll post updates as I witness them.
Regards,
~ver.
Scritty
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To sort of give an example of how transitional this update is so far - I present the following for your amusement
For the first time in 8 years my 17 year old Golf Holiday site is not number 2 or 3 (it's location specific - I'm saying no more)
A blank Facebook page has the spot now. So if you search for "Golfing Holidays In xxxxx (sorry - not telling you the xxxx)
You get a Facebook page from some guy who just came back and links to his hotel and says he's marking it down on tripadvisor for being so shit.
The Facebook page has one 12 word comment, no shares, no likes and was made yesterday.
I imagine the guy was mad at his shit holiday.
Bearing in mind the infomation is resort and hotel specific and offers just 12 words of content and a link I imagine hardly anyone who lands on it will be interested in what this muppet has to say (his rant is not very funny). There are hundreds of golf courses and thousands of hotels in this region and the chances of someone searching for this phrase being even slightly interested in what this guy has to say is very very low indeed.
Yet there he is at number 2 for a pretty generic term with his very speicifc rant (a local course did not honor a green fee reduction... fuck me - who gives a shit? Google apparently)
Further down the page is a link to a blog page which has a kids drawing also placed very recently of "my dad playing golf" and another link pointing to how someone got trapped in a crazy golf course ON A DIFFERENT CONTINENT. Tripadvisor is not on page one at all.
50% of the page one content is so badly targeted I doubt it would be of the slightest use to anyone searching for the term. It's a pretty specific term and converts MONDO well. If you type "activity in location" you want to know about that activity...in that location. It's a semi firm buying phrase and that's explicitly understood.
Back in the day Microsoft's commerciality index (RIP) ranked it very high.. yet only 1 result out of the 7 on page one has any information about the topic. It's all crap.. So bad it's funny.
Checked other niches and in some (not all) the situation is similar. Ranbdom inner pages ranking high that are either way too specific for a general search term or completely off topic..or worse just empty pages like the Facebook page, a "Contact Us" page with some guys business address and nothing else.
To be fair this crap happens every time - the dust will settle
Do I care? No my traffic is up almost 30 % and I'm ranking for all sorts of stuff I probably shouldn't (works both ways I suppose).
Scritty
For the first time in 8 years my 17 year old Golf Holiday site is not number 2 or 3 (it's location specific - I'm saying no more)
A blank Facebook page has the spot now. So if you search for "Golfing Holidays In xxxxx (sorry - not telling you the xxxx)
You get a Facebook page from some guy who just came back and links to his hotel and says he's marking it down on tripadvisor for being so shit.
The Facebook page has one 12 word comment, no shares, no likes and was made yesterday.
I imagine the guy was mad at his shit holiday.
Bearing in mind the infomation is resort and hotel specific and offers just 12 words of content and a link I imagine hardly anyone who lands on it will be interested in what this muppet has to say (his rant is not very funny). There are hundreds of golf courses and thousands of hotels in this region and the chances of someone searching for this phrase being even slightly interested in what this guy has to say is very very low indeed.
Yet there he is at number 2 for a pretty generic term with his very speicifc rant (a local course did not honor a green fee reduction... fuck me - who gives a shit? Google apparently)
Further down the page is a link to a blog page which has a kids drawing also placed very recently of "my dad playing golf" and another link pointing to how someone got trapped in a crazy golf course ON A DIFFERENT CONTINENT. Tripadvisor is not on page one at all.
50% of the page one content is so badly targeted I doubt it would be of the slightest use to anyone searching for the term. It's a pretty specific term and converts MONDO well. If you type "activity in location" you want to know about that activity...in that location. It's a semi firm buying phrase and that's explicitly understood.
Back in the day Microsoft's commerciality index (RIP) ranked it very high.. yet only 1 result out of the 7 on page one has any information about the topic. It's all crap.. So bad it's funny.
Checked other niches and in some (not all) the situation is similar. Ranbdom inner pages ranking high that are either way too specific for a general search term or completely off topic..or worse just empty pages like the Facebook page, a "Contact Us" page with some guys business address and nothing else.
To be fair this crap happens every time - the dust will settle
Do I care? No my traffic is up almost 30 % and I'm ranking for all sorts of stuff I probably shouldn't (works both ways I suppose).
Scritty
hlnothingsiu
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my site is in sandbox now ... idiot Google
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Would you mind sending me a PM with who it was? I buy a lot of services, may help me in the future
SerpEvil
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can u PM me with that service u are using?
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