We're coming back, stronger! (New Penguin Update)
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BigBuddy
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If I say to my friends, parents that I am worried, because I lost my rankings, their reaction will be wtf? so BHW is the place where we can share our frustrations , which will be understood by fellow members.
internalsoul
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@BB, your have one traffic source in your signature, and right now it seems to be a good way to bring back some traffic. I wish, i would have seen it earlier
assphuck
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I think Google uses the first page of the serps only to calculate the percentage of the listings which will change because of an algorithm update. .3% is probably accurate since the first page of the serps is 50% paid ads or even more in some niches.
monchichi
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It is kinda weird to see as many operators of successfull BHW BST Services claiming their ranking drops in here.
BigBuddy: No offense but I am kinda curious how you tell in here that you stopped doing seo to your own money sites and at the same time you have running more than one seo service at BHW selling your services to other members ?
BigBuddy: No offense but I am kinda curious how you tell in here that you stopped doing seo to your own money sites and at the same time you have running more than one seo service at BHW selling your services to other members ?
assphuck
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Google is targeting webmasters that sell competing products to Google's very own shopping. If an eCommerce transaction does not go through Google first, and you sell a product, you are a potential victim of Google's aggression. This is not the fault of the service provider.
Too bad I fell asleep last night before the discussion on CSPAN about the FTC's investigation into Google. I really wanted to hear the opinions of scholars that teach anti-trust law. I'll catch that one later this week I guess. One thing is certain, this holiday shopping season will prove to be great for Google.
sahilsxy29
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Its because when the service providers are busy in providing quality to customers.. they don't get time to focus on their own sites.
BigBuddy
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My site first got affected in june 1 st week and out from first 3 spot to nowhere. Later continued my backlinks process and managed to get back again to first 3 pages on august. But in the same month again it was rolled back for major keywords and only for 2 keywords I remained same.. So bit frustrated and stopped the process. Now again with no seo moved to first page.
For my subscribed clients too, I advise the same, build links for 2 months and wait for the results and just give a little pause and start the process again. Because all these regular updates could ruin your continued efforts.
BigBuddy
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actually not..Most of the seo service providers money sites will be their seo services website. Primary probs in ranking these sites are, we are competing with each other seo service providers. If you check the top 10 - 20 websites, they will be major seo companies. Before 2012 quantum seo labs and vertical measures shared the first 2 spots for major seo related keywords. But after 2012 it was changed and first 10 spots are dominated by some of the bhw members service providers and there will be frequent ranking chages among 10, as we will be fignting each other every day.
But for the past 2 to 3 months, bhw members who dominated the first page are nowhere now. It was grabbed by some crap sites, including digital point thread, which is no way related to the keyword.
Tbh matt cutts should initiate the updates after fixing those errors, instead playing trial and error game with serious webmasters.
Getwhatchuwant
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That MIGHT be true but I operate in a niche that does not allow adwords, so there are no customers to compete against.
We have been stable since April and recently #1 is a guy using a blog network 2 and 3 and authority (celebrity) sites which accounts for 1/1000th of the keyword, basically 2 or 3 articles on the whole site about the subject and #4 is 90% hihg pr blog comments. Now We have been replaced in the top 2 or 3 before, but never has a site using BH tactics held the position. They may not hold the position but we went from 2 to 13 yesterday back to page 1 but the bottom. I am hopeful the update is still running.
What I find odd is I check majestic every week for our own site and the anchor text ration was pretty good..about 30% for the main kw and the links came steady as I built manually, now suddenly in majestic I have 75% anchor text for the main kw and thousands of new links over the last 2 weeks. I am wondering if I was negative SEO'd or if suddenly new links were discovered or if some of the diversity was taken away (deleted)....
Anyway, its a bit troubling but now I have to plan on diversifying the anchor text and getting large volumes because of the # of links suddenly showing up but I have been trying to steer clear of spin and spam tactics for months now. Through all the updates this is the only 1 that has negatively affected us this badly.. (site has about 300 pages, e-comm all unique content) That said we are still page 1 so its a matter of climbing back up yet again
Getwhatchuwant
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Well, in my case it is becoming clear about 2 weeks ago I was neg SEO'd... I am digging deeper in Majestic and are finding low PR blog comments with my anchor text and then the comment is simply kw spam.. So its EXACT MATCH ANCHOR as the anme on the comment with our url, and the comment itself is kw, kw, kw, kw variation1, kw varition2, kw variation3..
So if my site is called bestredwidgets.com they are using Red Widgets as the anchor with my url and then commenting "red widgets,red widgets,red widgets, good red widgets, cheap red widgets" making it obvious spam. This is the 1st time I have heard of or seen someone using my exact anchor to spam, it was risky because maybe I would have gone up for that kw, but it in fact worked dropping us off page 1 for a few hours and now at the bottom since yesterday when we were #2...
The only good news is that all of the hard work getting content on the site and getting good links provided us a measure of insurance i would call it, so when I diversify the text again and build some more good links this MIGHT end up making us stronger since now we will have volume and quality. We will see how it goes....
So if my site is called bestredwidgets.com they are using Red Widgets as the anchor with my url and then commenting "red widgets,red widgets,red widgets, good red widgets, cheap red widgets" making it obvious spam. This is the 1st time I have heard of or seen someone using my exact anchor to spam, it was risky because maybe I would have gone up for that kw, but it in fact worked dropping us off page 1 for a few hours and now at the bottom since yesterday when we were #2...
The only good news is that all of the hard work getting content on the site and getting good links provided us a measure of insurance i would call it, so when I diversify the text again and build some more good links this MIGHT end up making us stronger since now we will have volume and quality. We will see how it goes....
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assphuck
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One competitor that outranks me has thousands, and I mean thousands, of links on web directories for a health care product. Out of approximately 10,000 backlinks in ahrefs, 90% use the exact match keyword in the anchor text (over 9,000 backlinks with exact match anchors). Looking at some of his backlinks it is easy to see that large spam runs have been used with poorly spun and misspelled text. The keyword is in the domain too and his site survives each Google update.
mikie46
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One of my competitiors has is using the same exact match @ 98%. He hasnt been penalized.
Also, all his backlinks are coming from 5 of his other websites. Those websites are all on the same ip address (go figure)
His domain name is EMD yet
Google has not penalized him.
He has not been hit by Panda
He has not been hit by Penguin (he should)
He has not been hit by EMD (he should)
His site still ranks #1 in AU.
Go figure the logic here people. If everything that has been written is the reason why, then can anyone come to a logical conclusion as to why his in the #1 position?
The only thing left here is Authority and Domain age. His domain is younger than mine which is approx 1.5yrs old and i dont think Google classifies him as an authority.
So whats left?
Also, all his backlinks are coming from 5 of his other websites. Those websites are all on the same ip address (go figure)
His domain name is EMD yet
Google has not penalized him.
He has not been hit by Panda
He has not been hit by Penguin (he should)
He has not been hit by EMD (he should)
His site still ranks #1 in AU.
Go figure the logic here people. If everything that has been written is the reason why, then can anyone come to a logical conclusion as to why his in the #1 position?
The only thing left here is Authority and Domain age. His domain is younger than mine which is approx 1.5yrs old and i dont think Google classifies him as an authority.
So whats left?
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Getwhatchuwant
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Hows his competition? How deep are you digging for his links? I pay for opensite and majestic and they often show different results..I dont pay for ahrefs but I use the trial version to get an idea of KW's and links as compared by the other 2...
BTW since my dip seems related to neg seo I started a new thread as not to hijack this one... http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...rently-i-neg-search-engine-optimizationd.html
Anyway i would dig deeply and see where his links are coming from and just watch. I can tell you I have swapped positions with MANY sites but they eventually go away to be replaced by another while I stay put, until now. So just keep your eyes on it, it is not unusual to see them hang in for a couple weeks then disappear all together..
assphuck
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In another niche I'm in, the #1 retailer (who held top spots for years) has been bumped from a #1 listing to #23 for their primary keyword. They also advertise pretty heavily with Adwords as well. This keyword query will generate a map too, which competes alongside Adwords and Google Shopping ads. I guarantee that if this retailer does not recover quickly, layoff notices will be issued. They are a small company with just under 20 employees according to my past research, but they may have grown some since then. Regardless, the loss in holiday sales will likely kill off a large portion of their yearly sales. An Amazon listing replaced their position. No surprises about Amazon rising to the top. Afterall, Amazon does not produce the product or even ship it. Amazon is a member of The Internet Association though, which I'm sure provides member perks in Google. lol
veheme
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I believe that's the main problem with sites which are built up slowly and "manually". The really controlled backlink profile is too vulnerable for negative SEO as competitors can easily put it down via spamming.
hardcorebiker
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Here is the screenshot of my sites traffic. It got hit pretty bad. I blame myself as the site was spammed heavily with my SEO tests. So keep your backlink profile clean (Tier 1) and you should be fine i think.
futurestunner
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this is what exactly happen to my site... the moment one of my site hit by penguin and after that... thats crazy... '