LordSummerisle
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I posted this on warrior forum and found the thread got closed down because I said I couldn?t be bothered to argue, however it seems that they were very keen not to give me the opportunity even if I wanted to, they certainly didn?t seem to want to risk me changing my mind, I was wondering do you think they closed the thread because it is standard practice to do that whenever someone says they don?t want to argue or was it because they didn?t like me criticising Google? Here is what I posted:
There?s only one problem with Google ? Monopoly!!!
I will try and keep this relatively brief and simple as it really doesn?t need to be long and complicated and I am sorry if you have heard it all before and you think I am some sort of socialist or radical George Carlin type nutter, but after reading yet again all the usual stuff you do after yet another Google update whereby most the world of ecommerce and IM is arguing back and forth the argument for this and the argument for that in regards to the latest particular situation, yap, yap, yap, please enough, I feel if I don?t say it to someone I will scream.
There?s only one problem with Google and it?s not it?s panda or penguin updates or the fact it banned your adsense account or delisted your site or whatever, the problem is that it has gone so far past the point of being a complete and total monopoly it isn?t even funny, I mean come on what do any of us expect, of course entire businesses and lively hoods are going to get wiped out over night both those who deserve to be and those who don?t, they have the monopoly, what do we expect? And it?s not something we should be having to even make a case or argument for, it should be known to virtually everyone that monopoly is never good for anyone, not the small business, not the IM and certainly not the users, consumers, or public in general, monopoly never serves the people, it only ever serves its self and it screws everybody eventually, there are no circumstances in which you want an uncompetitive market that is virtually entirely controlled by one company, not even if it?s serving you well at present, even if you are one of the people who are currently benefiting you still don?t want it.
Sure you may be in favour now or approve of what they are currently doing but what are you going to do if and when you are not, what are you going to do then? What are you going to do if and when God starts abusing their power? Nothing because there will be nothing you can do. If you are a defender of Google you are basically arguing for monopoly and that?s an argument that only a fool would defend, if you argue against Google then remember please, forget this update and that update or whatever, you only basically need to say one word and that is MONOPOLY and anyone with any sense will have already seen you have won the argument. A monopoly will never give up until they have the whole market by the short and curly's and totally and utterly dependent on their product and using it in the way they want you to and paying what they want you to pay in every conceivable way and once they have that they will do anything to maintain their position. Do you really want anybody to have this kind of control over us all in the hope they will always be a good master.
I am sorry if you have heard it said many times before but judging by the fact that nothing seems anywhere close to even starting to change and most people don?t even seem to care in the first place then it seems that it obviously needs to start been said a bit more, until enough people have a loud enough voice for something to be done about it, heck aren?t there commissions that are meant to do something about this sort of thing, I mean look at the hassle they were giving Bill Gates a few years back over the antitrust thing or whatever and that was nothing compared to this, he didn?t control virtually the whole of the market place that most modern businesses of any significance has to have a presence in just to survive, what on earths going on? Personally I am not that bothered from my own perspective as the particular business model I am now pursuing isn?t that reliant on it and as many people here point out anyone with any sense these days will try and avoid one that is, but the fact of the matter is there are so many who whether they like it or not are dependent on Google and simply can?t afford to not care, all this talk of how nobody should be bothered about the biggest way in which most websites in the world get their traffic I mean come on please, let?s live in the real world, the situation at present matters and drastically needs to change!
I probably won?t be arguing back with anyone who disagrees with what I have said because I really can?t be bothered, like I say my argument is pretty simple and anyone who can?t see it then there?s probably nothing I can say to make them do so. Anyway that?s it really, it?s been building up inside me for a while now and I just had to say it, listen if you want to and don?t if you don?t, but please at least have a think if it?s a situation you truly want for us all.
All the best,
Every response I got really didn?t like the fact I was criticising Google. As it happens I did take the bait and decided to make another response just to conclude everything I wanted to say, but before I could post it I found they had closed the thread, anyway I can?t post what others responded with as I don?t own the rights to that, but I do own the rights to what I was going to respond with and you can pretty much tell the points they made by what I said in response, I was just a bit miffed that they didn?t let me respond even if I wanted to and was wondering if it was more because I raised an issue they would rather ignore more than anything else, so I was hoping BHW may give me a voice to say what the warrior forum doesn?t seem to want me to say. Here it is:
Ok, I will make a few concluding points and leave it at that and then I feel I have discussed it enough and will leave it to you to form your own conclusions, hopefully then you will feel your have had your pound of argument, any further discussion I will leave to the rest of you, as far as I am aware the is no obligation to argue forever and a day like many people like to on forums, sorry if that?s too open mic for you, but I have better things to do.
So far the kind of arguments against what I have said seem to be things like, your paragraphs contains too many words, so sad, this is not an open mic, all devastating arguments against the actual points I have made and the most ridiculous of all that Google does not have the monopoly of the market, please you stop it, you are making me laugh. Now I appreciate there may be a slight degree of disagreeing over semantics here, but monopoly these days is usually defined as either complete control of the market as well as NEARLY complete control of the market, for example:
?A situation in which a single company owns all or nearly all of the market for a given type of product or service.?
http://www.investorwords.com/3112/monopoly.html
I don?t think I am alone in believing that nearly owning the market constitutes a monopoly and I think it?s safe to say Google nearly owns and controls the complete market. The bottom line is that although on the whole Google are a pretty good company, you do not want to see this sort of situation in any market, what I am saying is nothing personal against Google, it?s a situation that is really bad for both the market and the consumers in the long term, it doesn?t matter how much the particular company involved sits on bean bags and tells you they will do no evil. The point is it doesn?t matter how good the company concerned is, the kind of control Google has got is not the kind of control you want any company to have over any market, especially not one that is so important to so many other businesses and individuals who are trying to earn a living.
So many people depend so much on Google because they are so very very important, it?s hard enough for most ecommerce businesses as it is especially the smaller ones, most simply can?t afford not to worry about Google and be dependent on it at least to a certain extent, perhaps to an extent that means the difference between been able to compete in their own market and that?s not their fault either, let?s not forget how Google?s dominance of their market affects so many other markets that are now reliant on having a strong online presence. Again I am not blaming Google personally for this, you can?t blame a company for becoming successful but when the market becomes so completely and utterly controlled by one particular company and when it?s a market as important as this, then it is time that some sort of commission whose job it is to deal with it steps in and does something to restore some element of healthy competition back to the market, this is where the real blame lies.
I must admit I am incredibly surprised that no one who has responded can see my point, it?s almost as if we are living in different worlds, maybe I am the one who is mad. This issue seems to touch a nerve with some people which is quite intriguing, I know many people in this industry sometimes defend or spin the reality of certain situations because they have their own vested interests and I don?t know what the particular motives are of any particular individual who is defending Google?s position on this particular issue, but I am sure they can vary from person to person and I am not automatically saying that everybody who defends Google on this issue is doing so due to their own vested interest, but I have to say that I personally find it very hard to see how anyone defending this particular situation of monopoly are doing so based on any kind of point of principle and if no one else can see this I am very disappointed in those I share this industry with.
Still I don?t have that much of an interest in the outcome personally anymore, I have moved on to other things and my concern was just for the greater picture and us all in general, but maybe you are right and maybe I shouldn?t care either, sorry for being well, so sad, I will try and hold back the tears. But maybe you are right if you don?t care then why should I? Now please feel free to mock me for speaking out and saying that which for whatever particular reason you don?t want to hear, but if anyone else feels the way I do please feel free to speak up and let me know I am not the only one in the world who is mad. My apologies if my use of English is poor or if I have offended anyone, as I say my issue is one of truth and principle rather than anything personal, with that I will hand the mic back to you to let you rally in defence of your lord.
All the best,
Can I just correct the mistake I made there and say I may wish to comment further on this thread if I feel it is appropriate to do so and whether WF were right or not to close the thread, more important than that I want to ask the question here, am I wrong to accuse Google of being a monopoly in the first place? If people can give me good arguments as to why they are not then I am more than willing to reconsider my view.
All the best BHW,
There?s only one problem with Google ? Monopoly!!!
I will try and keep this relatively brief and simple as it really doesn?t need to be long and complicated and I am sorry if you have heard it all before and you think I am some sort of socialist or radical George Carlin type nutter, but after reading yet again all the usual stuff you do after yet another Google update whereby most the world of ecommerce and IM is arguing back and forth the argument for this and the argument for that in regards to the latest particular situation, yap, yap, yap, please enough, I feel if I don?t say it to someone I will scream.
There?s only one problem with Google and it?s not it?s panda or penguin updates or the fact it banned your adsense account or delisted your site or whatever, the problem is that it has gone so far past the point of being a complete and total monopoly it isn?t even funny, I mean come on what do any of us expect, of course entire businesses and lively hoods are going to get wiped out over night both those who deserve to be and those who don?t, they have the monopoly, what do we expect? And it?s not something we should be having to even make a case or argument for, it should be known to virtually everyone that monopoly is never good for anyone, not the small business, not the IM and certainly not the users, consumers, or public in general, monopoly never serves the people, it only ever serves its self and it screws everybody eventually, there are no circumstances in which you want an uncompetitive market that is virtually entirely controlled by one company, not even if it?s serving you well at present, even if you are one of the people who are currently benefiting you still don?t want it.
Sure you may be in favour now or approve of what they are currently doing but what are you going to do if and when you are not, what are you going to do then? What are you going to do if and when God starts abusing their power? Nothing because there will be nothing you can do. If you are a defender of Google you are basically arguing for monopoly and that?s an argument that only a fool would defend, if you argue against Google then remember please, forget this update and that update or whatever, you only basically need to say one word and that is MONOPOLY and anyone with any sense will have already seen you have won the argument. A monopoly will never give up until they have the whole market by the short and curly's and totally and utterly dependent on their product and using it in the way they want you to and paying what they want you to pay in every conceivable way and once they have that they will do anything to maintain their position. Do you really want anybody to have this kind of control over us all in the hope they will always be a good master.
I am sorry if you have heard it said many times before but judging by the fact that nothing seems anywhere close to even starting to change and most people don?t even seem to care in the first place then it seems that it obviously needs to start been said a bit more, until enough people have a loud enough voice for something to be done about it, heck aren?t there commissions that are meant to do something about this sort of thing, I mean look at the hassle they were giving Bill Gates a few years back over the antitrust thing or whatever and that was nothing compared to this, he didn?t control virtually the whole of the market place that most modern businesses of any significance has to have a presence in just to survive, what on earths going on? Personally I am not that bothered from my own perspective as the particular business model I am now pursuing isn?t that reliant on it and as many people here point out anyone with any sense these days will try and avoid one that is, but the fact of the matter is there are so many who whether they like it or not are dependent on Google and simply can?t afford to not care, all this talk of how nobody should be bothered about the biggest way in which most websites in the world get their traffic I mean come on please, let?s live in the real world, the situation at present matters and drastically needs to change!
I probably won?t be arguing back with anyone who disagrees with what I have said because I really can?t be bothered, like I say my argument is pretty simple and anyone who can?t see it then there?s probably nothing I can say to make them do so. Anyway that?s it really, it?s been building up inside me for a while now and I just had to say it, listen if you want to and don?t if you don?t, but please at least have a think if it?s a situation you truly want for us all.
All the best,
Every response I got really didn?t like the fact I was criticising Google. As it happens I did take the bait and decided to make another response just to conclude everything I wanted to say, but before I could post it I found they had closed the thread, anyway I can?t post what others responded with as I don?t own the rights to that, but I do own the rights to what I was going to respond with and you can pretty much tell the points they made by what I said in response, I was just a bit miffed that they didn?t let me respond even if I wanted to and was wondering if it was more because I raised an issue they would rather ignore more than anything else, so I was hoping BHW may give me a voice to say what the warrior forum doesn?t seem to want me to say. Here it is:
Ok, I will make a few concluding points and leave it at that and then I feel I have discussed it enough and will leave it to you to form your own conclusions, hopefully then you will feel your have had your pound of argument, any further discussion I will leave to the rest of you, as far as I am aware the is no obligation to argue forever and a day like many people like to on forums, sorry if that?s too open mic for you, but I have better things to do.
So far the kind of arguments against what I have said seem to be things like, your paragraphs contains too many words, so sad, this is not an open mic, all devastating arguments against the actual points I have made and the most ridiculous of all that Google does not have the monopoly of the market, please you stop it, you are making me laugh. Now I appreciate there may be a slight degree of disagreeing over semantics here, but monopoly these days is usually defined as either complete control of the market as well as NEARLY complete control of the market, for example:
?A situation in which a single company owns all or nearly all of the market for a given type of product or service.?
http://www.investorwords.com/3112/monopoly.html
I don?t think I am alone in believing that nearly owning the market constitutes a monopoly and I think it?s safe to say Google nearly owns and controls the complete market. The bottom line is that although on the whole Google are a pretty good company, you do not want to see this sort of situation in any market, what I am saying is nothing personal against Google, it?s a situation that is really bad for both the market and the consumers in the long term, it doesn?t matter how much the particular company involved sits on bean bags and tells you they will do no evil. The point is it doesn?t matter how good the company concerned is, the kind of control Google has got is not the kind of control you want any company to have over any market, especially not one that is so important to so many other businesses and individuals who are trying to earn a living.
So many people depend so much on Google because they are so very very important, it?s hard enough for most ecommerce businesses as it is especially the smaller ones, most simply can?t afford not to worry about Google and be dependent on it at least to a certain extent, perhaps to an extent that means the difference between been able to compete in their own market and that?s not their fault either, let?s not forget how Google?s dominance of their market affects so many other markets that are now reliant on having a strong online presence. Again I am not blaming Google personally for this, you can?t blame a company for becoming successful but when the market becomes so completely and utterly controlled by one particular company and when it?s a market as important as this, then it is time that some sort of commission whose job it is to deal with it steps in and does something to restore some element of healthy competition back to the market, this is where the real blame lies.
I must admit I am incredibly surprised that no one who has responded can see my point, it?s almost as if we are living in different worlds, maybe I am the one who is mad. This issue seems to touch a nerve with some people which is quite intriguing, I know many people in this industry sometimes defend or spin the reality of certain situations because they have their own vested interests and I don?t know what the particular motives are of any particular individual who is defending Google?s position on this particular issue, but I am sure they can vary from person to person and I am not automatically saying that everybody who defends Google on this issue is doing so due to their own vested interest, but I have to say that I personally find it very hard to see how anyone defending this particular situation of monopoly are doing so based on any kind of point of principle and if no one else can see this I am very disappointed in those I share this industry with.
Still I don?t have that much of an interest in the outcome personally anymore, I have moved on to other things and my concern was just for the greater picture and us all in general, but maybe you are right and maybe I shouldn?t care either, sorry for being well, so sad, I will try and hold back the tears. But maybe you are right if you don?t care then why should I? Now please feel free to mock me for speaking out and saying that which for whatever particular reason you don?t want to hear, but if anyone else feels the way I do please feel free to speak up and let me know I am not the only one in the world who is mad. My apologies if my use of English is poor or if I have offended anyone, as I say my issue is one of truth and principle rather than anything personal, with that I will hand the mic back to you to let you rally in defence of your lord.
All the best,
Can I just correct the mistake I made there and say I may wish to comment further on this thread if I feel it is appropriate to do so and whether WF were right or not to close the thread, more important than that I want to ask the question here, am I wrong to accuse Google of being a monopoly in the first place? If people can give me good arguments as to why they are not then I am more than willing to reconsider my view.
All the best BHW,