Constructing Master Tier 2 Articles with Ubertoolz

[Expertpeon]

Hey Expert since you don't use these constructs on your first tiers what kind of content do you use? Hand written and unique?

I agree that the quality of content needs to upgraded in these times even spun content if you want results. Lazy efforts just don't cut it anymore...

I manually do 10-15 sentences spins, as I have explained in other threads.
The quality is a lot better, especially in the readability dept, and they last 10k+ articles easily.

However I just finished another master article for tier 2s and holy crap, I seriously think these things will last for a year if you want. Google's eating them up as far as indexing my tier 2s in these hyper competitive niches,
I'm about to start a nice case study, well hopefully soon, that is a direct comparison of web 2.0 pyramids vs paid high PR networks (like HighPR, BMR, Articleranks, etc)... This is one of those things that I simply have to split test before I keep going down one path or the other.
I'm suspicious of these "high PR" networks, even when heavily backlinking them with web 2.0 tier 2s etc. I haven't had the results I expected, but I'm looking to try the same exact keyword on two sites, one spitting out 20-30k web 2.0s/mth and doing a 3 tier pyramid, and the other doing 4-5k "high PR articles" and shoving 50k web 2.0s on top of that + the same structure.

 

[jascoken]

I manually do 10-15 sentences spins, as I have explained in other threads.
The quality is a lot better, especially in the readability dept, and they last 10k+ articles easily.

Now that I've changed the UberCubez code to allow selection of the number of sentence spins used, you could use the UberCubez format for Tier 1's as well...

...as essentially it will output what you're getting now - and it will mean that you can edit in a 'cleaner' environment; rather than having to edit in spintax (which we all know is nasty - it's too easy to 'break'). And it's SO much easier to go back and make changes/add extra sentences/paragraphs.

Then you'd also benefit from paragraph re-ordering and substitution (assuming you keeped your paragraphs 'themed' so they can be re-ordered.)

I have a number of constructs similar to this for rapid site/network creation. Loads of sentence spins and larger paragraphs, with around 600-800 words. Although I DO still use the odd synonym spin in there for simple stuff where it won't affect readbility; as this helps make sure even a repeat sentence is slightly different. Usually, you can just target obvious adjectives like {swift|speedy|rapid|quick} etc and not affect overall quality, but still end up breaking up sentences at some point.

I've used around 20 of these constructs to automatically build a 250 site network with 1-3k pages. So 1/4 - 3/4 Million unique pages.

 

[sackboy127]

When posting this kind of content to Web 2.0s, do you just include 1 post/property?

Do you think it'd be a good idea to post 2-3 variations of the master article to the same Web 2.0 property?

 

[domainmadness]

Also, I was wondering, since char spinning is kind of new thing to me, where that kind of content should be used?

I think this question was missed. Should I use it on my money site articles? In social network blogs pointing to money site? Tier 2+ blogs/articles? Article directories to money site? Or to Tier 1 blogs? In my own private blog network which is not for humans? Everywhere?

Is there any case studies how does this really work and how does search engines react to this kind of content?

 

[jascoken]

When posting this kind of content to Web 2.0s, do you just include 1 post/property?

Do you think it'd be a good idea to post 2-3 variations of the master article to the same Web 2.0 property?

If you've built a proper UberCube with more paragraphs than are required, then you can use it multiple times/posts on the same property, but I normally stage them out so I'd use maybe 3 different ones before I go back to the first one again; then they don't look samey, as most people wouldn't read more than 3 posts either side, if you see what I mean.

We develop 2.0s to have many posts on them, but some SEOs only use 1 post per property.

I think this question was missed. Should I use it on my money site articles? In social network blogs pointing to money site? Tier 2+ blogs/articles? Article directories to money site? Or to Tier 1 blogs? In my own private blog network which is not for humans? Everywhere?

Is there any case studies how does this really work and how does search engines react to this kind of content?

Char/Unicode spinning is simply a way of getting more unique versions out of the same amount of content.

I personally wouldn't use it on ANY money sites or owned assets, but I would and do use it on tiered link building assets, like articles and 2.0's.

In UberToolz, there are 2 char/uni code-sets, I would use the standard set now, as these are standard ASCII codes, which are used by many legitimate systems, and so would be very hard for Google to penalise in any way. The extended code set uses foreign chars etc to get more variety, but is more black hat.

The advantage of char/Unicode spinning is that it provides unique versions to aid with indexing, but doesn't change the way the content reads, so you can keep a tighter control on readability and quality.

I've used Unicode spinning on in excess of 2 million submissions over the last 2 years, and I've never experienced anything but better indexing. BUT, I would still only use it on 'disposable' link building assets.

 

[oneder]

When constructing the Uber spins, after you've done the sentence rewrites in a text editor, do you do your synonym spins BEFORE or AFTER you construct your spin construct in the Toolz?

I almost always go nuts by my 3rd paragraph in a large spin...:drinking5

I hope that makes sense, it was hard to articulate...

 

[jascoken]

When constructing the Uber spins, after you've done the sentence rewrites in a text editor, do you do your synonym spins BEFORE or AFTER you construct your spin construct in the Toolz?

I almost always go nuts by my 3rd paragraph in a large spin...:drinking5

I hope that makes sense, it was hard to articulate...

With an UberCube, you need to add all spins to the main construct, as otherwise you're working on just one of the outputs, which is very inefficient use of time.

Do the sentence rewrites and then do any synonym spinning (or use autospintax and then edit to improve it.)

It's that final finished UberCube which goes into the tool to produce the spintax based submission construct. Therefore, all your synonym spinning is saved for every future output.

 

[jon_xx_x]

I manually do 10-15 sentences spins, as I have explained in other threads.
The quality is a lot better, especially in the readability dept, and they last 10k+ articles easily.

However I just finished another master article for tier 2s and holy crap, I seriously think these things will last for a year if you want. Google's eating them up as far as indexing my tier 2s in these hyper competitive niches,
I'm about to start a nice case study, well hopefully soon, that is a direct comparison of web 2.0 pyramids vs paid high PR networks (like HighPR, BMR, Articleranks, etc)... This is one of those things that I simply have to split test before I keep going down one path or the other.
I'm suspicious of these "high PR" networks, even when heavily backlinking them with web 2.0 tier 2s etc. I haven't had the results I expected, but I'm looking to try the same exact keyword on two sites, one spitting out 20-30k web 2.0s/mth and doing a 3 tier pyramid, and the other doing 4-5k "high PR articles" and shoving 50k web 2.0s on top of that + the same structure.

I've had several high PR links I was paying for, probably about $400 per month. Rankings were pretty good for the most part. But I've canceled most accounts.
You have
a) crap PR sites that aren't even quality PR sites, Google for whatever reason gave them PR.
b) crap PR sites that were probably faked, but network owner was so excited to get the PR6 for so cheap they didn't take the time to see if it's actually quality.
c) links you don't even know where they are because owner doesn't give out the links.
d) your links with 99 other links, on some poorly spun article
e) probably been deindexed or devalued, as it's fairly easy for Google to spot these networks. Let's face it about 90% of all link networks cap out at 100 links. How easy would that be to narrow down and find.

I think with several quality tiers there is no reason why 2.0s can't replace 'high pr homepage' links.

 

[Expertpeon]

I've had several high PR links I was paying for, probably about $400 per month. Rankings were pretty good for the most part. But I've canceled most accounts.
You have
a) crap PR sites that aren't even quality PR sites, Google for whatever reason gave them PR.
b) crap PR sites that were probably faked, but network owner was so excited to get the PR6 for so cheap they didn't take the time to see if it's actually quality.
c) links you don't even know where they are because owner doesn't give out the links.
d) your links with 99 other links, on some poorly spun article
e) probably been deindexed or devalued, as it's fairly easy for Google to spot these networks. Let's face it about 90% of all link networks cap out at 100 links. How easy would that be to narrow down and find.

I think with several quality tiers there is no reason why 2.0s can't replace 'high pr homepage' links.

Just to be clear,
These are PR sites I made have PR2-PR4, they are not fake as a result, they are not "crap" they have only my site's links out of them and several of them have gone up in PR, not dropped (I mean my personal network of around 90 sites).
I'm talking about PR links you pay for like from high PR society, or article ranks, etc. giving disappointing results.
Anyway I have had poor luck in my hyper competitive niches with them, but I think the problem is I need to run web 2.0 pyramids linking to THOSE articles, and see where it goes (this is what I'm doing now)

You're absolutely right about several quality tiers replacing them, however, the quality tiers is something I'm still struggling to automate as AMR is next to worthless now. What I've been doing instead is dumping tons of PR ******** links from bookmarks to them + scrapeboxing those bookmarks + sliq submitter to each subdomain + xrumer with scrapebox linking to the xrumer blasts as well. I also, just for full disclosure, do not use merely the 2000 directories that come with sliq. I think I have around 7000 now.

It's working out well, but the time frame to see the results is weeks out from when you complete each blast, vs these "paid" article directories which you can see modest results fairly quickly.
Also, just to be clear, I manually created 1500 PR3+ links (all d0follows), with a lot of PR6 and several PR7/PR8 links in there as well to a site of mine not long ago. The site didn't even budge more than 5-6 spots (granted this keyword is like ranking top 5 for "forex trading" but still) ... the OBLs on each page were <40... most of them I was the first comment.

When I did this, and saw poor results from the effort, it makes me seriously question the sanity of shelling out tons of money for hmpg links each month. I basically created 1500 permanent high PR links, without paying a dime... those links would have cost a small fortune each month (at least $5k/mth)
Web 2.0 pyramids work, but it's a lot of hustling and I'm always disappointed with the results. I guess I'm not pushing out links fast enough. The results are much, much better than high PR networks I've tried though...

 

[jon_xx_x]

I've begun linking my network to my money site as well, and have been disappointed with the results. It's sitting at #6 for a very competitive term as well,a nd my network isn't super high quality, but these are the first OBL on the sites. I've only linked about 40 of 120 sites so far, but I figured I would have moved up already from those 40 alone.
Like I said it's not super high quality, there's only one PR5, five PR4, majority PR3s, then some 2s, 1s, and even 0s. But I haven't even moved a spot yet.
That being said, I'm doing this at the same time I discontinued some of the homepage links, so I really don't know the effect each has had.

 

[Expertpeon]

I've begun linking my network to my money site as well, and have been disappointed with the results. It's sitting at #6 for a very competitive term as well,a nd my network isn't super high quality, but these are the first OBL on the sites. I've only linked about 40 of 120 sites so far, but I figured I would have moved up already from those 40 alone.
Like I said it's not super high quality, there's only one PR5, five PR4, majority PR3s, then some 2s, 1s, and even 0s. But I haven't even moved a spot yet.
That being said, I'm doing this at the same time I discontinued some of the homepage links, so I really don't know the effect each has had.

It is indeed disappointing. At least with web 2.0 pyramids on this scale, I know the work will always be rewarded.

 

[jascoken]

I've begun linking my network to my money site as well, and have been disappointed with the results. It's sitting at #6 for a very competitive term as well,a nd my network isn't super high quality, but these are the first OBL on the sites. I've only linked about 40 of 120 sites so far, but I figured I would have moved up already from those 40 alone.
Like I said it's not super high quality, there's only one PR5, five PR4, majority PR3s, then some 2s, 1s, and even 0s. But I haven't even moved a spot yet.
That being said, I'm doing this at the same time I discontinued some of the homepage links, so I really don't know the effect each has had.

I tried this staged over several months with a 250 site network of mine about a year ago; nothing high PR - just 1-3. But the results were very disappointing as well.

I had some sites that actually got hit by a penalty doing this (thes ones that were linked to I mean); and it looked like Google had penalised me for what they thought was 'buying' links from a network. I've seen this happen with a number of network owners; but it always seems to be from home-page links; which Google maybe sees as unnatural in certain circumstances.

 

[bigeazy]

I think this question was missed. Should I use it on my money site articles? In social network blogs pointing to money site? Tier 2+ blogs/articles? Article directories to money site? Or to Tier 1 blogs? In my own private blog network which is not for humans? Everywhere?

Is there any case studies how does this really work and how does search engines react to this kind of content?

You can use the char spinner on your money site if you want, but only at a ratio of or higher than 1:6.

To be honest, on your money site... you want 100% unique content and one of the main reasons to use the Char Spinner is because your content isn't unique hence it providing the uniqueness.

What I'm trying to say is, you can use it on your money site but that implies the content isn't 100% unique so here's where you ask yourself: Should I really be putting this content on my main site?

 

[mrmidjam]

I can anyone recommend a writer for this? Cheers

 

[Expertpeon]

I can anyone recommend a writer for this? Cheers

Haha good luck. It's hard enough for me to do and I had a 800Q 760V on the GRE

 

[mrmidjam]

Haha good luck. It's hard enough for me to do and I had a 800Q 760V on the GRE

Worth a shot I'm a little limited on time atm.

 

[cookie1979]

Expertpeon, do you only place one peice of content on each web 2.0? You create?
Also theses 5k blasts you do, are you only targeting one keyword or multiple keywords on one url? Thanks in advance.

 

[Zipper]

Expertpeon, do you only place one peice of content on each web 2.0? You create?

He mentioned in another thread that he creates 3 per author

Also theses 5k blasts you do, are you only targeting one keyword or multiple keywords on one url? Thanks in advance.

I'd like to know this too. Heck, I'd like to know how you're able to even create and post to 5,000 a day! Thanks.

 

[jascoken]

He mentioned in another thread that he creates 3 per author

I'd like to know this too. Heck, I'd like to know how you're able to even create and post to 5,000 a day! Thanks.

If you spread them out over time, you can add quite a lot of pages to a 2.0. We add a page per week for months across thousands of them. Most will have 1-2 links in them, but some are bare, for a random look, and we always leave the first 1-2 posts without links.

Zenno running on multiple machines can create thousands of new accounts per day, and if your template is setup to export a text file in the right format for the next stage, you can use faster posting tools for many of the sites. e.g. With WordPress.com you can use an XML-RPC poster, which takes seconds rather than a couple of minutes on Zenno. Many of the other main 2.0's have their own API's, or accept email submits as well.

 

[Lebron2727]

when I copy paste the exact thing expertpeon posted above I get this as an output:

{Many have grown tired of paying outrageous prices for name brand viagra|People everywhere are looking for cheaper alternatives to name brand viagra.|Like many, you are probably on the lookout for a cheaper alternative to viagra.} {Viagra is quite expensive, but living a better life should not be a matter of money.|Though expensive, Viagra has helped millions of people live happier lives.|The monetary costs of Viagra have been a great burden to those seeking a better life.} {It may be possible to find Viagra at a cheaper price.|Alternatives to Viagra are out there, that may be able to help reduce the medicine's cost.|Viagra alternatives at a cheaper price are certainly not an impossible thing to locate.}

What am I doing wrong?

I have the feeling that my ubercubes construction should be bigger, I have 10 paragraps of three to six sentences (each sentence has 6 rewrites).... The output of ubercubes is 1,5 page long, I think it should be much longer