911 nearly 10 years on!

[freemoon]

Jet fuel burning alone will not melt steel. Do you take into account the wind that was blowing that day. Or the other material that caught fire inside the building that may burn at hotter temps?

I'm no weather expert but I know that the wind blows harder the higher you get. 800 feet up the wind speed is higher and can act as a bellow to increase the temperature of a fire. Maybe increase such a fire enough to weaken steel.

I am from the U.S. and I don't have much faith in my government. As for the many conspiracies there are, this is one I do not believe.

for your information who created AL-QAEDA ....gusseee whooo AMERICA and can not deny this.its history and its fact read some history books or just read 1980-1999 history you will know everything and usama used to work for america for your kind information theres no way wind can increase the temperature?? ok what if the wind was cold and usually wind have small drops of water above 800 feet.so how water drops can heat up anything and please dont say beacuse h2o break into o2 thats why??? thats does not make any difference to 1600c anyway.:croc:

 

[soyafan]

Why collapse 3 buildings, stage an attack on the pentagon, and crash another plane

3 attacks is just an attempt to mate the gravity of situation look mere severe.How would you feel if your favorite soccer team get defeated with score 1-0 and 3-0 .
The 3-0 defeat would hurt more right?!

a country that harbors the most ruthless, hateful, and soulless group of terrorists on the planet?

This is WHAT YOU ARE TOLD ON TV, and i bet you won't find the other part of the news on TV. Did you even bother to check how many innocent civilians got killed over the last 50 years by US? and some of them even went on to get Nobel Peace prize

I hope this get gets deleted soon, let us keep BHW for discussing only IM stuff and not a political discussions forum

Remember WAR IS A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY.

Jet fuel burning alone will not melt steel. Do you take into account the wind that was blowing that day. Or the other material that caught fire inside the building that may burn at hotter temps?
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In controlled demolition gelatin sticks(kind of explosive) will be placed along the supporting joints on steal columns which support the building and all of them will be activated(electrically charged) causing them to explode at an accurate time sequentially.That is how buildings are broken down .


Have you seen many warehouses which are caught on fire ? they don't collapse and fall to ground.Haven't you seen houses which catch fire? steel and concrete buildings doesn't collapse under a minute.

Watch this video

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_jkIA09fgI[/youtube]

I am from the U.S. and I don't have much faith in my government. As for the many conspiracies there are, this is one I do not believe.

yeah agree there are lot of false theories out there but we all agree in the "broader sense" that governments in general suck big time.

Just about every country you can think off US has sold weapons worth millions and then attack them.Look at afganistan,pakistan and iraq. Same Donald Rumsfield sold weapons to saddam before he decided that saddam is an evil person.

IMHO War is an industry which feeds our politicians, not much info on war funding will be released to public(unless wikileaks kind of guys pop up )

And part of the money spend on war will reach back to the bank accountants of people who passed the bill in the first place to wage war

 

[GrizzlyAdams]

haha love my homies

 

[Bigmutherluver]

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I hope this get gets deleted soon, let us keep BHW for discussing only IM stuff and not a political discussions forum

I never started this thread for it to become a political discussion, but I should have known that this would obviously open the flood gates to all kinds of political and conspiricy debates.

I can see most peoples points of views, even after 10 years it's still something that angers most of you. But as I said earlier no mateer how this building fell, no matter who done it, no matter about burning jet fuel or steel bending and all that!!!! I started this purlely to cast a thought for the people who did die at the hands of who ever done this.

 

[soyafan]

I hear you man! as normal people we feel sorry for the lose of innocent lives.Now i understand your original intentions.I have seen these kinds of threads get deleted because it started to boil out a bit in that context i said no biggie if this thread gets deleted too.Having said that my heart goes out to those who lost their lives due to the handiwork of someone

I never started this thread for it to become a political discussion, but I should have known that this would obviously open the flood gates to all kinds of political and conspiricy debates.

I can see most peoples points of views, even after 10 years it's still something that angers most of you. But as I said earlier no mateer how this building fell, no matter who done it, no matter about burning jet fuel or steel bending and all that!!!! I started this purlely to cast a thought for the people who did die at the hands of who ever done this.

 

[wantsuccess]

the credibility of your government and thier ability to lie through thier teeths for thier own gain or to supress the truth is only too evident from the lastest osama killings...with claims and counter claims and then retractions and even seperate accounts of actual events by people who were stood a few milimetre from eachother at the time of the event/or as the case maybe none event happening....

some people r just born to be slaves to the system...glorified zombies...

get a life and actually use your brain instead of washing it with your said flouride water...

 

[jdog37]

Al Qaeda is maintained by the CIA and Mossad agencies. Did you know the CIA funded, trained, and armed Bin Laden and his Muhjahadeen decades ago in Afghanistan to fight the invading Russians?

Why dont you do yourself a favor and watch the video I posted in the first response to this thread. You're obviously interested in this and very confused, that video will show you all the evidence.

I honestly can't believe how many people believe it wasn't an inside job, it honestly shocks me how you can't see how the US government would benefit from such an attack on their own soil. It's called false flag operations, it's nothing new.

You think the muslim people have benefited from being invaded by american armies? Or do you think the united states of zionism has benefited from the military contracts, construction contracts, military budget increases, fear mongered population, xenophobia... not even mentioning oil, and opium that these countries are full of.

I dont need to watch that video cause I have seen so many others taken out of context that support these conspiracies.

I do know that bin laden and the taliban was trained and equipped by the U.S. during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Once Russia backed out of the war the Taliban took control of the country and oppressed the people of Afghanistan turning it into a radical religious state.

This religion did not allow women to be educated... They stoned women to death for offenses that are not even criminal in modern society. This happens in other countries as well.

I see you say united states of Zionism....Hmm.. Sounds to me like you got the same problem with America as the rest of the muslim world.

We support Israel and recognize them as a country... Therefore we are open for attack from religious radicals that are willing to blow themselves up for their cause. Hence 9/11

 

[jdog37]

In controlled demolition gelatin sticks(kind of explosive) will be placed along the supporting joints on steal columns which support the building and all of them will be activated(electrically charged) causing them to explode at an accurate time sequentially.That is how buildings are broken down .

And these gelatin sticks can withstand the heat from burning jet fuel... Does not matter because the main question is can the wiring that detonates these gelatin sticks survive these temps?

Dont think so.

 

[ronegraT]

 

[Joeblack99]

What I still don't understand is this:

Firstly, we're not saying that the impact itself destabilized the building and made it fall right? We're saying that the heat inside melted the steel support.

1/ Why didn't the structure bend first, and lean to one side as the steel melted. Are we saying that all the steel infrastructure on each side were subjected to the same temperature evenly, and all went at the exact same time?

2/ Why did the entire building fall? The structure melted, and the floors come crashing down ... so why did all the floors below give way in exactly the same manner? Why wasn't there a half-building left with a crater hole in the middle?

3/ The buildings DID come down at, or close to, the speed of freefall because I saw them -- as did you all. How?

There is NO WAY that those plane impacts could create that. How this is not obvious to the entire world is beyond me.

 

[soyafan]

And these gelatin sticks can withstand the heat from burning jet fuel... Does not matter because the main question is can the wiring that detonates these gelatin sticks survive these temps?

Dont think so.

Well its hard to explain without a lecture on physics of materials and so many things

Controlled demolition doesnt mean like those you watch in hollywood movies.Explosives are placed at joints of steel columns and activated in a very precise manner. How they managed to make two aeroplanes to hit two buildings with such precision i dont know that.Nevertheless an incredible "mission accomplished" even if it is meant for evil intentions.

But to saw it short and sweet principle of controlled demolition is this.You target the strongest places in a structure i.e steel columns and place detonators around it and activate them in highly synchronised fashion. Once the support pillars weakens building will collapse under its own weight.

can you explain those squibs according to your opinion?

Besides i want to stress one thing. NEVER before in history we have seen a steel building go down to the ground just because of fires.


This article shows some scenarios and what happened when skyscrappers caught fire

http://911physics.atspace.com/Pages/WTC12.htm

 

[geomuss]

You know what hacks me off most about this thread..
Not the conspiracy theories ... Not tower 7 falling at free fall speed ...

Bloody grammatical errors.. I think its a conspiracy for posters not to type with
proper grammar. I believe the government has blatantly dumbed down on the written language in school, so internet forums are littered with posts that
do not make sense and read like shit ....

Please when posting check grammar

I instead of i when describing ones self
steal = steel
Dont use text speech eg - hw r u .. aaah bloody hate it!

just a few from this thread
now that's a conspiracy for you

 

[Joeblack99]

What do you mean, "how they managed to make the planes hit the buildings?"

The attacks were real. I'm saying that the whole operation was known about beforehand, and:

1/ Permitted to take place via controlled confusion within norad
2/ Accentuated greatly via the pre-prepared controlled demolition of the buildings.

"We need another pearl harbour" -- their words before coming into power.

And just a freakish coincidence that the Bush and Bin Laden families have been in bed together for decades prior to this.

 

[freemoon]

You know what hacks me off most about this thread..
Not the conspiracy theories ... Not tower 7 falling at free fall speed ...

Bloody grammatical errors.. I think its a conspiracy for posters not to type with
proper grammar. I believe the government has blatantly dumbed down on the written language in school, so internet forums are littered with posts

Please when posting check grammar

I instead of i when describing ones self
steal = steel
Dont use text speech eg - hw r u .. aaah bloody hate it!

just a few from this thread
now that's a conspiracy for you

Hi teacher dont worry about people grammar if you can understand steal=steel both are same what we are talking about...ya and its not school or college where we have to write everything correct ok tell me which colour is color???

 

[freemoon]

I dont need to watch that video cause I have seen so many others taken out of context that support these conspiracies.

I do know that bin laden and the taliban was trained and equipped by the U.S. during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Once Russia backed out of the war the Taliban took control of the country and oppressed the people of Afghanistan turning it into a radical religious state.

This religion did not allow women to be educated... They stoned women to death for offenses that are not even criminal in modern society. This happens in other countries as well.

I see you say united states of Zionism....Hmm.. Sounds to me like you got the same problem with America as the rest of the muslim world.

We support Israel and recognize them as a country... Therefore we are open for attack from religious radicals that are willing to blow themselves up for their cause. Hence 9/11

come on man you were talking about winds and now about religion i think you need to search al-lot about winds and religions they both are different so chill out if you dont want to accept physics laws.........:croc:

 

[soyafan]

What do you mean, "how they managed to make the planes hit the buildings?"

The attacks were real. I'm saying that the whole operation was known about beforehand, and:

1/ Permitted to take place via controlled confusion within norad
2/ Accentuated greatly via the pre-prepared controlled demolition of the buildings.

"We need another pearl harbour" -- their words before coming into power.

And just a freakish coincidence that the Bush and Bin Laden families have been in bed together for decades prior to this.

I meant the whole operation worked out well.What if the planes missed the target or the pilot or whoever responsible for guiding the plane towards the target ad "a change of heart" and decided to abort the mission.

i hope those people are living lives and seeing horror scenes in their dreams.Karma will catch them

If that had happened, more people would have believed this is an insider job.

 

[jdog37]

come on man you were talking about winds and now about religion i think you need to search al-lot about winds and religions they both are different so chill out if you dont want to accept physics laws.........:croc:

Hey... Thank grizzlyadams for that. He the one that said united states of zionism. He was the one I responded to... No offence to anyone else.

To everyone else... Watch the videos of the WTC falling. The initial collapse starts at the impact site from the jet airplanes. It may fall straight down and look like its free falling. But....

No way that any type of explosives or detonators could survive the inferno of the jet fuel burning on those floors. Also notice how the upper floors disintegrate and become a part of the rest of the falling mass. Crushing the rest of the structure and bringing it to the ground in a plume of dust.

 

[Joeblack99]

I meant the whole operation worked out well.What if the planes missed the target or the pilot or whoever responsible for guiding the plane towards the target ad "a change of heart" and decided to abort the mission.

i hope those people are living lives and seeing horror scenes in their dreams.Karma will catch them

If that had happened, more people would have believed this is an insider job.

Sorry that sounded abrupt, I see your point ... I thought this myself as I was typing actually. It could have gone wrong for them, and right for us, I guess there's always variables. None of these people are omnipotent.

Princess Diana could have survived the crash - heck she did, but not the hospital.

If the planes had missed then I fear something else would have happened within a year.

Agreed on karma.

 

[freemoon]

Hey... Thank grizzlyadams for that. He the one that said united states of zionism. He was the one I responded to... No offence to anyone else.

To everyone else... Watch the videos of the WTC falling. The initial collapse starts at the impact site from the jet airplanes. It may fall straight down and look like its free falling. But....

No way that any type of explosives or detonators could survive the inferno of the jet fuel burning on those floors. Also notice how the upper floors disintegrate and become a part of the rest of the falling mass. Crushing the rest of the structure and bringing it to the ground in a plume of dust.

are you sleeping when i said united states of zionism?????????i think you are drunk....anyway who cares..bla bla bla bla......

 

[Monrox]

Hey... Thank grizzlyadams for that. He the one that said united states of zionism. He was the one I responded to... No offence to anyone else.

To everyone else... Watch the videos of the WTC falling. The initial collapse starts at the impact site from the jet airplanes. It may fall straight down and look like its free falling. But....

No way that any type of explosives or detonators could survive the inferno of the jet fuel burning on those floors. Also notice how the upper floors disintegrate and become a part of the rest of the falling mass. Crushing the rest of the structure and bringing it to the ground in a plume of dust.

jdog37, you're wasting your time. The usual fanatic commies use the large availability of information to attack stuff they don't really understand.

Too bad not many videos leak from China or Russia. Otherwise even the last simpleton would know that for example in Chechnya there is oil and opium as well... a place where the Russians are at open war for at least 15 years. I mean RussiaToday is so diligently covering the Middle East... but all we see from them about Russia is the occasional "random terrorist" vaguely promissing them blood and tears; complete with a beard and turban for more authenticity of course.

Then we have Putin calling the USA a parasite. A KGB colonel with a good heart lol. He should first take care of all the gazillionaires in Russia who rape the country's natural resources and love to show themselves on western tabloid TV drinking brandy for $200 000 a bottle.