Is it worth renting an apartment in another country to set up your own residential proxy?

[zamblo]

I'm playing on an online poker site that is currently very profitable for me, but it only operates within Italy. I've been using this account for the past two years while connecting to it from abroad through a static residential or ISP proxy (I use IPRoyal), and I haven't had any problems so far.

I´ve checked the ISP proxy in many proxy checker sites and it looks residential with 0% fraud score... ISP provider looks legit and so on, but of course it´s not 100% safe.

However, if my account were ever reviewed, there is a risk that they could consider the IP suspicious and close my account, which is something I really can't afford and it´s eating my mind.

Also, an account review could involve having to submit new verification documents, such as a utility bill in your name. I know they scrutinize the documents you send very carefully to make sure they aren't fake, and I don't have those kinds of documents because I don't live in Italy.

So I've come to the conclusion that, in order to secure my poker account long-term, I either need to move to Italy (which I'm not going to do — I like living close to my friends and family) or somehow make my connection 100% legitimate and also have proper verification documents available in case they ask for them.

I was thinking about renting an apartment in Italy together with another poker player in a cheap city and leaving a router and a computer there to act as a proxy server, connecting to it remotely from abroad.

There are apartments available from 400-500$ with good fiber and even in good locations in smaller cities lol.

In the event of a power outage, I would need to figure out a way to remotely turn the computer acting as the proxy back on. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to solve that.

What other things should I take into account?

Is my idea viable? I would have a 100% static residential connection and would also have verification documents available in case they asked for them.

On the other hand, I would also need to make sure that the poker application always connects through this proxy and can never connect directly and reveal my real IP. I've already had that part fairly well sorted out for years.

What do you guys think about the idea? Is it viable? Am I missing anything?

Thanks!

 

[extremeboy]

Totally use less idea for small scale work. Instead pay someone residential user in that country some amount if yo really want that hard residential ip like that.

Otherwise Static Residential proxies are enough for yor work.

 

[zamblo]

Totally use less idea for small scale work. Instead pay someone residential user in that country some amount if yo really want that hard residential ip like that.

Otherwise Static Residential proxies are enough for yor work.

So you mean that it could work but it could be done by spending way less money right?

We´re talking about spending 200$ per month if we´re 2 persons, have in mind I could be making 5-10k$ per month in this poker room, so it could be worth it.

The thing is, I would need legit bills / rent contract also, that´s the point, so it´s not enought by just faking an residential IP.

Also I don´t know anybody in Italy.

 

[extremeboy]

So you mean that it could work but it could be done by spending way less money right?

We´re talking about spending 200$ per month if we´re 2 persons, have in mind I could be making 5-10k$ per month in this poker room, so it could be worth it.

The thing is, I would need legit bills / rent contract also, that´s the point, so it´s not enought by just faking an residential IP.

Also I don´t know anybody in Italy.

That is very good amount of money just with game .


If that game require documents then you can go with your suggested route else the Static Residential proxies are fine.

 

[zamblo]

That is very good amount of money just with game .


If that game require documents then you can go with your suggested route else the Static Residential proxies are fine.

Well not that amount of money every month and a lot of hours and work hehe.

Thanks for the answer, I appreciate it

 

[TraderBane]

find a contact that's already there lol

partnership

 

[Lifeisnotgood]

Yeah, partnership with somebody.
But yeah, you need to trust this person a lot.
He opens the computer each day, and sometimes you open it with some TeamSpeak or similar.
Or the computer is always connected.

Of course if you rent a house. It´s possible, you lose some times the connection to the computer and then you need someone to visit the rented house for real to fix the problem.

 

[zamblo]

Yeah, partnership with somebody.
But yeah, you need to trust this person a lot.
He opens the computer each day, and sometimes you open it with some TeamSpeak or similar.
Or the computer is always connected.

Of course if you rent a house. It´s possible, you lose some times the connection to the computer and then you need someone to visit the rented house for real to fix the problem.

Have in mind you would have to really trust this person and anyways you need real utilty bills with you rname in it in case there is a document verification

Talking about the problems you could encounter with the router / proxy server infraestructure... there are ways to reset / start the computer remotelly if it shutdowns for any reason, also using a UPS system in case there is electricity outrage to maintain UP the server is a good idea too.

There are many apartments as low as 350€ per month so if I do it with someone else we will be paying a 200€ cuota per month, I think it´s worth it if were making a lot of money.

 

[james knot]

honestly if the account is worth enough to you that you're considering renting an apartment just for it, id first check the poker site's actual rules on playing while abroad. even with a real italian residential connection, they could still have other ways of detecting that you're not physically there. id be more worried about getting the account closed for a terms violation than the ip itself

 

[zamblo]

honestly if the account is worth enough to you that you're considering renting an apartment just for it, id first check the poker site's actual rules on playing while abroad. even with a real italian residential connection, they could still have other ways of detecting that you're not physically there. id be more worried about getting the account closed for a terms violation than the ip itself

That’s a good point. The thing is, I’ve been using this dedicated ISP proxy to play on this Italian poker site for the past two years without any problems or verification requests. Because of that, I don’t think they’re actively looking into it too closely, especially since they’re also making money from the rake I generate on their platform.


So, having a genuine residential IP and valid verification documents would solve a large part of the problem. However, you’re right that they could potentially have other ways of determining that the computer I’m actually using to play on the Italian poker site is not physically located in Italy. So even if I set everything up the way I’m planning to, there’s still no 100% guarantee that my account would be completely safe.


Another idea I’ve had is to do all of this, but instead of leaving a computer in the Italian apartment to use purely as a proxy server, I could leave an actual computer there and connect to it remotely using Remote Desktop.


That way, the poker software would actually be running on a computer physically located in Italy, and I would simply be controlling that computer remotely from abroad.


What do you think about that approach?

 

[james knot]

That’s a good point. The thing is, I’ve been using this dedicated ISP proxy to play on this Italian poker site for the past two years without any problems or verification requests. Because of that, I don’t think they’re actively looking into it too closely, especially since they’re also making money from the rake I generate on their platform.


So, having a genuine residential IP and valid verification documents would solve a large part of the problem. However, you’re right that they could potentially have other ways of determining that the computer I’m actually using to play on the Italian poker site is not physically located in Italy. So even if I set everything up the way I’m planning to, there’s still no 100% guarantee that my account would be completely safe.


Another idea I’ve had is to do all of this, but instead of leaving a computer in the Italian apartment to use purely as a proxy server, I could leave an actual computer there and connect to it remotely using Remote Desktop.


That way, the poker software would actually be running on a computer physically located in Italy, and I would simply be controlling that computer remotely from abroad.


What do you think about that approach?

yeah honestly the remote desktop approach sounds more reliable from a technical point of view since the actual application would be running on the machine in italy rather than trying to make your computer abroad look like it's there

the part id still be careful about is the poker site's rules though. even if the setup is technically clean, they might have other checks besides the ip and you wouldn't want to put a valuable account at risk after spending all that money setting everything up

for my own scraping work ive actually been using residential proxies lately and they've been pretty stable, but that's obviously a very different use case from what you're doing here

 

[GreyCodeX]

you can advertise on facebook italy group that you sponsor someone the internet bill for 20-40 $ because it seems that you don't like adobe ps
anyway renting a apart in italy is expensive and tbh a stoner idea

my suggestion is valid a lot of tax avoiders do this in thailand from remote - to get utility bills for the offshore banks

 

[GreyCodeX]

yeah honestly the remote desktop approach sounds more reliable from a technical point of view since the actual application would be running on the machine in italy rather than trying to make your computer abroad look like it's there

the part id still be careful about is the poker site's rules though. even if the setup is technically clean, they might have other checks besides the ip and you wouldn't want to put a valuable account at risk after spending all that money setting everything up

for my own scraping work ive actually been using residential proxies lately and they've been pretty stable, but that's obviously a very different use case from what you're doing here

That’s a good point. The thing is, I’ve been using this dedicated ISP proxy to play on this Italian poker site for the past two years without any problems or verification requests. Because of that, I don’t think they’re actively looking into it too closely, especially since they’re also making money from the rake I generate on their platform.


So, having a genuine residential IP and valid verification documents would solve a large part of the problem. However, you’re right that they could potentially have other ways of determining that the computer I’m actually using to play on the Italian poker site is not physically located in Italy. So even if I set everything up the way I’m planning to, there’s still no 100% guarantee that my account would be completely safe.


Another idea I’ve had is to do all of this, but instead of leaving a computer in the Italian apartment to use purely as a proxy server, I could leave an actual computer there and connect to it remotely using Remote Desktop.


That way, the poker software would actually be running on a computer physically located in Italy, and I would simply be controlling that computer remotely from abroad.


What do you think about that approach?

the italians are torrent freaks, you can just aks them for another bunch of bucks to create a second user account on their old pc's and use it via teamviewer or vnc
telegram is also recommended instead of facebook groups

 

[zamblo]

you can advertise on facebook italy group that you sponsor someone the internet bill for 20-40 $ because it seems that you don't like adobe ps
anyway renting a apart in italy is expensive and tbh a stoner idea

my suggestion is valid a lot of tax avoiders do this in thailand from remote - to get utility bills for the offshore banks

I didn’t mention this before, but my account was actually reviewed once. I tried to submit a fake/modified electricity bill as proof of address. I had edited it very carefully, but they caught it and warned me that the document was not official and had been altered.


And believe me, the document looked extremely convincing. I had submitted the exact same modified document to other, less important poker rooms and they accepted it without any issues. This particular room, however, detected the alteration immediately, so they clearly have much more sophisticated verification systems and can’t be fooled that easily.


I also see too many risks in having my proxy server installed in an apartment belonging to someone I don’t know. There are simply too many things that could go wrong that would be outside my control. I’d rather set everything up myself and have 100% control over the whole setup, even if it ends up being more expensive.


As for the cost, there are plenty of small cities in Italy where you can find apartments starting at around $300–400 per month. I’m making $5,000+ per month from this poker room, so the cost of maintaining an apartment there would be relatively small compared to what I’m earning. I think it could be completely worth it. What do you think?

 

[proadsempire]

hi, I live in Italy and I tell you that there is no need to rent an apartment... all you need is a coworking space... we will provide you with a personal computer, a fiber optic connection and a UPS that keeps everything online 24 hours a day... plus there is a human operator in case of problems! You have the possibility of obtaining a utility such as a telephone, electricity or gas bill... therefore without any kind of problem in case of checks

 

[zamblo]

yeah honestly the remote desktop approach sounds more reliable from a technical point of view since the actual application would be running on the machine in italy rather than trying to make your computer abroad look like it's there

the part id still be careful about is the poker site's rules though. even if the setup is technically clean, they might have other checks besides the ip and you wouldn't want to put a valuable account at risk after spending all that money setting everything up

for my own scraping work ive actually been using residential proxies lately and they've been pretty stable, but that's obviously a very different use case from what you're doing here

Yes, I have that in mind. On the computer I use to play poker and connect to my residential proxy, I’ve already set everything up so that all traffic is forced through the proxy. I’ve configured firewall rules and other safeguards to prevent the computer from connecting directly to my regular internet connection and exposing my real IP address.


Apart from that, I’ve also configured Windows to match Italy as closely as possible, such as setting the region to Italy, disabling location services, and so on.


Thanks again for your help!

 

[GreyCodeX]

Yes, I have that in mind. On the computer I use to play poker and connect to my residential proxy, I’ve already set everything up so that all traffic is forced through the proxy. I’ve configured firewall rules and other safeguards to prevent the computer from connecting directly to my regular internet connection and exposing my real IP address.


Apart from that, I’ve also configured Windows to match Italy as closely as possible, such as setting the region to Italy, disabling location services, and so on.


Thanks again for your help!

no problem feel free to reach me if you've question about antidetect set's

proadsempire have also a smart idea, coworking space yep... good idea thug​

edit but i think then he have no internet bills -_-

 

[Infinimonster]

I'm playing on an online poker site that is currently very profitable for me, but it only operates within Italy. I've been using this account for the past two years while connecting to it from abroad through a static residential or ISP proxy (I use IPRoyal), and I haven't had any problems so far.

I´ve checked the ISP proxy in many proxy checker sites and it looks residential with 0% fraud score... ISP provider looks legit and so on, but of course it´s not 100% safe.

However, if my account were ever reviewed, there is a risk that they could consider the IP suspicious and close my account, which is something I really can't afford and it´s eating my mind.

Also, an account review could involve having to submit new verification documents, such as a utility bill in your name. I know they scrutinize the documents you send very carefully to make sure they aren't fake, and I don't have those kinds of documents because I don't live in Italy.

So I've come to the conclusion that, in order to secure my poker account long-term, I either need to move to Italy (which I'm not going to do — I like living close to my friends and family) or somehow make my connection 100% legitimate and also have proper verification documents available in case they ask for them.

I was thinking about renting an apartment in Italy together with another poker player in a cheap city and leaving a router and a computer there to act as a proxy server, connecting to it remotely from abroad.

There are apartments available from 400-500$ with good fiber and even in good locations in smaller cities lol.

In the event of a power outage, I would need to figure out a way to remotely turn the computer acting as the proxy back on. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to solve that.

What other things should I take into account?

Is my idea viable? I would have a 100% static residential connection and would also have verification documents available in case they asked for them.

On the other hand, I would also need to make sure that the poker application always connects through this proxy and can never connect directly and reveal my real IP. I've already had that part fairly well sorted out for years.

What do you guys think about the idea? Is it viable? Am I missing anything?

Thanks!

I think Static Residential is your best bet. There are Browsers out there which let you run isolated profiles with proxies bound to them on a per profile basis.

 

[proadsempire]

no problem feel free to reach me if you've question about antidetect set's

proadsempire have also a smart idea, coworking space yep... good idea thug​

edit but i think then he have no internet bills -_-

Of course, they will have bills. Coworking spaces issue invoices, receipts, or at least provide proof of address... trust me!

 

[clixwd]

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