Some random pleb's media buying journey

[mirrorer]

By the way, can anyone tell me why bemob recommends to use a custom domain as tracking domain?

Also I'll be launching campaigns again in an hour or so. Finished up the honey pot on my landers, will take it slow in the beginning to make sure the bot detection works as expected.

To avoid their domain being blacklisted. 99% of the trackers enforce this,not only suggest it.

For those interested in the numbers (yes they are shit):
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I managed to bring down the cost to acquire a depositor down to $25-ish, which still nets me quite a loss. However, in the very beginning it took my $500 to get my very first depositor.

In order to break even I'd either have to manage to bring down the cost for a FD down to roughly $5 or be able to have ppl deposit higher amounts.

The big question is if that's even achievable at all.
At least I went from blowing hundreds with 0 results to blowing hundreds with some results. My blacklist is growing, the further campaign cost will be lower with every day passing, maybe I can reach critical mass eventually.

Also, I got my hands on an insanely cheap popunder traffic source. My plan with this? Collecting email addresses and try to target those ppl through emails. At the same time I will run a backoffer to a gambling smartlink and collect push subscribers on the lander. The traffic feels cheap enough that I could get back about half of the spendings with the push subscriber collection alone. Got my account approved there, deposit approved too - monday I can launch the test campaign with $10 (the guy approving campaigns is in the weekend already).

Keep grinding lads!

You're doing good and you'll succeed because you're trying different things and making progress.

That's a lot of traffic.

Is it T1 traffic?

What's your approach right now? Traffic->LP-Offer?

Try this: Traffic-> LP-> Optin (build a mailing list) -> Offer. You can redirect them instantly to your offer once they optin and at the same time build an email list.

Now you have a list of gamblers which you can promote to again and again....until the unsubscribe.

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

To avoid their domain being blacklisted. 99% of the trackers enforce this,not only suggest it.

You're doing good and you'll succeed because you're trying different things and making progress.

That's a lot of traffic.

Is it T1 traffic?

What's your approach right now? Traffic->LP-Offer?

Try this: Traffic-> LP-> Optin (build a mailing list) -> Offer. You can redirect them instantly to your offer once they optin and at the same time build an email list.

Now you have a list of gamblers which you can promote to again and again....until the unsubscribe.

For the push campaigns it was Traffic -> LP (owned by the casino). Traffic was T2 mainly.


For my coming cheap ass traffic pop campaign:
Flow will be Traffic -> LP -> collecting push subscribers on LP for extra ROI -> Optin (mail list) -> Offer.
I also placed a gambling smartlink as trafficback offer.

Having an email list of gamblers is paramount as you can remind them to keep gambling every few days.

I'm fairly convinced that just running push traffic straight to the casino will never be profitable - maybe it would be on CPA model, but looking at my current stats the traffic I'm sending them through push would never ever hit their KPI to be eligible for CPA payout model.

What I will be doing the coming days/weeks is testing a couple landers, and figuring out if this dirt cheap traffic is even workable with. I'm fairly sure that propeller pop traffic is just the same traffic rebrokered (maybe a bit more filtered). At least I'll be able to run tests for less than $10 now.

Somewhere on the forum here a guy was claiming that he manages to be profitable before people even enter his funnel - maybe there's some truth to that. My main goal for now is being able to recoup some of the spending before I even get to the point to sell them something.

The way I've done things the past 1.5 months I know for sure I'll end up broke pretty soon, with nothing to show for.

 

[jamie3000]

Most bots don't execute JavaScript so that's a good test. And if they do you can look for Properties like this through JavaScript

https://datadome.co/threat-research/detecting-selenium-chrome/
It's unlikely they'd be using a stealth browser but even those can be detected I believe

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

Most bots don't execute JavaScript so that's a good test. And if they do you can look for Properties like this through JavaScript

https://datadome.co/threat-research/detecting-selenium-chrome/
It's unlikely they'd be using a stealth browser but even those can be detected I believe

Thanks man, great share!

For pupeteer there's also some scripts that can detect headless browsers. However, I'm pretty sure the non-retarded bots can easily avoid those.

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

I ran a quick test on my new traffic source. Format is popunder, targetting global. CPM $0.15

Surprisingly the traffic comes with about the same amount of suspicious visits as if I bought popunder traffic from Propeller or RichAds (at 10-100x the cost). My guess is that the traffic available at those ad networks is the same I'm using - just rebrokered.

Ofc it's just a small sample size so far, but it looks better than I'd expected.

Working out a proper funnel now but I feel like I'm on the right path with this

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

Alright lads.

Sending push traffic to casinos won't work (at least not with my budget).

I will do some restructuring on my whole operation before I move forward. I've been testing some dirt cheap popunder sources the last week, and there might be potential.

The pop traffic is sent to a lander of mine which collects email addresses, it currently costs me roughly $3 per email acquisition, however I doubt all of them are actually of use. Furthermore the lander is monetized with push subscription collection and a smartlink as backoffer, currently giving me a combined kickback of 20-30% on my ad spend.

I'm going to ditch anstrex push. I will also say goodbye to BeMob for tracking.

Moving forward I will need a tracker that has no monthly cap on clicks.
Taking this into consideration I might either go with a tracker that I'd have to set up on my own server or cpvlabs - didn't make any decision yet.

Just to put into perspective the amount of tracked events I'm getting daily (screenshot of my propush dashboard). In reality it's even more because not every browser triggers a push notification request, i'd easily be at 10m tracked events per day by running on a lower budget than my push campaigns.


Once I'm able to effectively track my new sources, creating blacklists and getting rid off the garbage I expect my ad spending to be cut at least in half. Or better said getting closer to around 50-70% cashback while collecting emails.

This will bring the whole operation to a more sustainable level - I simply can't keep going without any cash coming back in from my spendings.

Also it's tax season soon, therefore I won't be able to keep my budget at the same level - last person on earth I'd want to be owing money is the tax man.

Any suggestions for a tracking solution suitable for my volumes would be appreciated.

Plan for the next weeks:
- Figure out which tracker to use in the future
- Cancel all push-related subscriptions that drain money
- Make sure that my current smartlink network actually will pay me out for the traffic I sent to them (it's on revshare basis so I still got hopes)
- Contact my propush manager again asking if they're fine with my current traffic (checked a few days ago once I started to go above 1 million requests per day and they said it was fine/ revshare btw)
- Create more landers to replace stale ones or A/B testing
- Send out an email to the ppl I already have on my list (I used mailchimp to collect them and they blocked me because it's gambling, still figuring out how to export my contacts to another place)

Feedback appreciated, keep grinding lads

 

[Speedlearner]

Hey mate do you know what push traffic i can test for a lottery site? will this work for a lottery website

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

Hey mate do you know what push traffic i can test for a lottery site? will this work for a lottery website

You can try with propellerads and see if something sticks. If you own the lottery site you will have even better insight about the traffic quality.

 

[LeeMaoTao]

really very interesting how you refocused your life and I'm glad you're in green numbers my friend, keep it up, soon you'll be back in heaven I'm sure <3
Good luck

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

really very interesting how you refocused your life and I'm glad you're in green numbers my friend, keep it up, soon you'll be back in heaven I'm sure <3
Good luck

Thanks for the kind words, but I'm nowhere close to being in the green numbers.

Just saying, before anyone thinks about whipping out their visa card trying to do the same.

 

[LeeMaoTao]

Thanks for the kind words, but I'm nowhere close to being in the green numbers.

Just saying, before anyone thinks about whipping out their visa card trying to do the same.

I understand my friend anyway, great breakthrough and great value contribution, if you need my help in anything or want to increase your networking.
LeeMaoTao will always be available

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

Cheers mate

 

[Bakasta]

why did you stop posting updates? It was interesting to read through this thread as a newbie myself, Gained many understanding. You should keep this thread going man. Hoping you best of luck!

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

Hey guys, terribly sorry for not posting shit lately.

Things were quite rough lately, went through a self-destruction cycle of binge drinking etc.

So basically I'm not media buying right now, taxes are due and I don't have money to burn on ads. The results were just not there.

However, last week I started with some free methods.

I bought 50 Quora accounts and I'm posting answers with 3 of them.

1st account is my own account I've created in 2018. It's aged and shortened links do stick.

I've been answering questions about gambling with ChatGPT and occassionally drop my referral link to my Casino there. So far I've generated 171 clicks on my casino affilate link - no registrations and depositors so far - but the traffic is growing.


My 2nd Quora account is basically an e-thot. I downloaded some leaked asian OF pictures from some telegram channels. I'm basically just posting those nudes in the adult quora groups and answer adult questions with those nudes as well.
I've put 2 links in the bio.
Link 1 -> used to be a dating smartlink -> gotten 700 clicks but 0 conversions. Now I've replaced it with AdMaven link locker. Hook is "get my full collection of nudes here for free". This link has been replaced yesterday and I've earned 1 cent from it so far:


Not much but I'm still happy.

Link #2 on the bio is a chaturbate revshare link. Hook is "click here to see my daily camshows for free". Got one signup so far, no spenders yet. The link redirects to an asian chaturbate model that looks similar to the pics I've downloaded. That's the nice thing about asian girls, most of them look similar enough that they could pass as the same person.


Quora account #3. I'm using it to answer crypto questions and get some social proof for now. One of my friends has coded his own tradingbot. So I'm pretty much doing a JV with him. He provides me with a discount code and I will gradually start shilling his bot on quora. I'll get 50% of all money made.

This is a trial phase, I'll be experimenting with different monetization methods. Once I find something that sticks, I will scale it with the other 47 accounts I have left. Everything is manual so far.

As for media buying. Last time I bought cheap ass popunder traffic and sent it to a push-subscriber collection site, collecting emails on the way and redirecting it to a smartlink in the end. The ROI was about 10% so for those $300 I had spend I made about $30 back. However I cannot get paid out because the treshold isn't reached at any of those places.
Right now I simply lack the money for meaningful testing, hence I've decided to switch to free methods. This way I can learn the basics of converting.

Maybe some stats for the ppl wondering.
Propush:


Evadav:


Zeydoo (trafficback smartlinks from the push subscribers):



I'm fighting my way back into life. I have another website created, ready to market offline asap. I got an offline marketing strategy in Colombia for my gambling offers going right now. Free method, will see the results in a few months, if results are good I'll scale it to India, Philippines, Nigeria and Peru.

Updates will be more frequent in the future. I just have to get past the struggles.

 

[sscaz]

Hey guys, terribly sorry for not posting shit lately.

Things were quite rough lately, went through a self-destruction cycle of binge drinking etc.

So basically I'm not media buying right now, taxes are due and I don't have money to burn on ads. The results were just not there.

However, last week I started with some free methods.

I bought 50 Quora accounts and I'm posting answers with 3 of them.

1st account is my own account I've created in 2018. It's aged and shortened links do stick.

I've been answering questions about gambling with ChatGPT and occassionally drop my referral link to my Casino there. So far I've generated 171 clicks on my casino affilate link - no registrations and depositors so far - but the traffic is growing.
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My 2nd Quora account is basically an e-thot. I downloaded some leaked asian OF pictures from some telegram channels. I'm basically just posting those nudes in the adult quora groups and answer adult questions with those nudes as well.
I've put 2 links in the bio.
Link 1 -> used to be a dating smartlink -> gotten 700 clicks but 0 conversions. Now I've replaced it with AdMaven link locker. Hook is "get my full collection of nudes here for free". This link has been replaced yesterday and I've earned 1 cent from it so far:
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Not much but I'm still happy.

Link #2 on the bio is a chaturbate revshare link. Hook is "click here to see my daily camshows for free". Got one signup so far, no spenders yet. The link redirects to an asian chaturbate model that looks similar to the pics I've downloaded. That's the nice thing about asian girls, most of them look similar enough that they could pass as the same person.
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Quora account #3. I'm using it to answer crypto questions and get some social proof for now. One of my friends has coded his own tradingbot. So I'm pretty much doing a JV with him. He provides me with a discount code and I will gradually start shilling his bot on quora. I'll get 50% of all money made.

This is a trial phase, I'll be experimenting with different monetization methods. Once I find something that sticks, I will scale it with the other 47 accounts I have left. Everything is manual so far.

As for media buying. Last time I bought cheap ass popunder traffic and sent it to a push-subscriber collection site, collecting emails on the way and redirecting it to a smartlink in the end. The ROI was about 10% so for those $300 I had spend I made about $30 back. However I cannot get paid out because the treshold isn't reached at any of those places.
Right now I simply lack the money for meaningful testing, hence I've decided to switch to free methods. This way I can learn the basics of converting.

Maybe some stats for the ppl wondering.
Propush:
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Evadav:
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Zeydoo (trafficback smartlinks from the push subscribers):
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I'm fighting my way back into life. I have another website created, ready to market offline asap. I got an offline marketing strategy in Colombia for my gambling offers going right now. Free method, will see the results in a few months, if results are good I'll scale it to India, Philippines, Nigeria and Peru.

Updates will be more frequent in the future. I just have to get past the struggles.

Instead of all those lockers and casino which is hard to convert there are much better options to do for advertising and you need to be smart when handling 50 accounts, anyway if you need any help i will help you for free just dm me.

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

Instead of all those lockers and casino which is hard to convert there are much better options to do for advertising and you need to be smart when handling 50 accounts, anyway if you need any help i will help you for free just dm me.

Thanks man, youre a legend! Masina jebacina.

I'm actually setting up one of your methods atm.
I will message you over the weekend when I got some time to spare.

Also the link shortener for my quora report made me 21 cents yesterday. I might be onto something

 

[sscaz]

Thanks man, youre a legend! Masina jebacina.

I'm actually setting up one of your methods atm.
I will message you over the weekend when I got some time to spare.

Also the link shortener for my quora report made me 21 cents yesterday. I might be onto something

0,20$ is nothing i will share with you one private method for free that can create passive income very easily on both quora/reddit.

 

[BlackAffiliate]

Good journey, affiliate marketing is not as easy at it seems at first, especially with those over saturated networks.
Keep it up.

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

0,20$ is nothing i will share with you one private method for free that can create passive income very easily on both quora/reddit.

I know 20 cents is nothing. But it's the first time something with free traffic converted for me so it's a nice starter.

Also I only had 9 clicks on it, CPM in my dashboard says $22 atm - which would be nice if it stayed at that number with increased traffic.

 

[SomeRandomPleb]

Alright.

Current state of things:

Quora main account (gambling): 40k total answer views, around 1000 clicks to my offer, 0 conversions (I'll stop posting on this one and let it sit, gambling is way too hard to convert) - total of 250 answers posted and top 5 author on 3 different gambling related topics.

Quora adult account: 200k total views, roughly 200 clicks on chaturbate and 2 signups (no spenders yet), content locker about 20 clicks (25 cents earned so far).

Other quora accounts: a cpl thousand views, 500 clicks on fiverr affilliate program (I link to it in the answers), no conversions yet (I also posted a few fiverr links on Reddit).

Plan for the next week:
- code my adult image scraper, I need more content in order to start 10 adult profiles. The one I'm currently running I spend more time on getting content to post than actually posting it. Adult accounts are low effort to maintain.
- create a chaturbate whitelabel - assuming it could convert better than just linking to main chaturbate
- test out a posting bot over the weekend (it's a public one so no idea if it actually works). If I can automate the tedious profiles I'd be a very happy man.
- test out more ways to potentially monetize it. For adult, monetizing the chat traffic could be a good thing, the links I've shared in the chats had about 90% click rate. With the right offer and a convincing message this could generate some money.

I tested clickbank with one account, however the posts always get removed within minutes, even if I redirect through my own domain and slap a link shortener on top of it.
Not gonna touch clickbank for quora, will test out digistore24.

I will write off gambling completely, as it's extremely high effort and simply too hard to convert the way I'm promoting it. I have splattered around 20-30 links on quora, maybe they might get me some depositors in the coming months/years, who knows?

Adult I want to automate ASAP. It's easy to get traffic, conversion rate (and payout) extremely low but if it can be put on autopilot I'm happy about that. It could slowly generate a tiny income stream to cover my basic setup while learning the tools to branch out into other niches.

Gameplan over the next few months:
Get some money coming in from quora, figure out a way to reduce time spent manually on it, then focus on Reddit. Quora is so much easier to post and spam links than Reddit. The traffic quality is also way worse because it's relatively easy to do.

I also made $100 during last week yield farming crypto with a $1k bankroll (still found a tiny meme bag on one of my old wallets, so I put it to use).