[Journey] Building an iOS & Android App Empire

[Partepechos]

What country is good to open a new google play dev account? In some countries now they claim id verification Can you recommend a country that doesnt claim id verification?

 

[CyberShrek]

Hi @nakamura , your advice really helped me and I was able to create an account after my main account was blocked. Thanks! Now I plan to create a few more accounts to reduce the risks. What would be better to buy a new sim card and a new system or maybe try using a Microsoft azure cloud virtual machine? Have you had such an experience?

P.S Do you think Google can unblock my account if there is a REAL war in my country?))

 

[Drzeww]

Whitehat. But what do you consider blackhat in apps? Copyrighted stuff?

Yea, exactly

 

[nakamura]

Hi @nakamura , your advice really helped me and I was able to create an account after my main account was blocked. Thanks! Now I plan to create a few more accounts to reduce the risks. What would be better to buy a new sim card and a new system or maybe try using a Microsoft azure cloud virtual machine? Have you had such an experience?

P.S Do you think Google can unblock my account if there is a REAL war in my country?))

I don't recommend using a VPS. They can and will recognize it sooner or later. Tried it by myself, accounts got terminated.

About the war and the account... really not sure. Usually, they don't care about anything. You can try, but don't expect anything.

 

[CyberShrek]

I don't recommend using a VPS. They can and will recognize it sooner or later. Tried it by myself, accounts got terminated.

About the war and the account... really not sure. Usually, they don't care about anything. You can try, but don't expect anything.

Ok, thanks. Is it okay if I just buy a new drive, install a new OS on it and buy a second SIM card for the router? Will I be able to create new accounts using this scheme? I would like to hear your opinion.

 

[CyberShrek]

Ok, thanks. Is it okay if I just buy a new drive, install a new OS on it and buy a second SIM card for the router? Will I be able to create new accounts using this scheme? I would like to hear your opinion.

and install the VM on this new OS to build the application on it

 

[nakamura]

Yea, exactly

I don't use Blackhat apps for two reasons:
- They are an easy target to get reported and therefore removed/account terminated
- They will sooner or later get removed/banned automatically by Google's AI/algorithm. Its not sustainable...and its definitely not worth it to risk your account/data, because it will definitely get you banned and they will give you a lifetime ban.

Best thing is to stay whitehat and to avoid any kind of mistakes/confrontation. They will use ANY reason to ban you and terminate your account.

In my case, they once suspended my WHOLE account for having a typo/spelling error in the Chinese description of my app. Of course, they don't give a fuck about the Chinese description, but they used this problem to get rid of me. Try to make any sense of this crap. It's scary, totalitarian. They are showing their love for Ukraine and are for diversification, but at the same time, they are giving a fcking LIFETIME BAN to developers, destroying their business and career.

 

[nakamura]

Ok, thanks. Is it okay if I just buy a new drive, install a new OS on it and buy a second SIM card for the router? Will I be able to create new accounts using this scheme? I would like to hear your opinion.

Yes, if you have a 2nd system (PC, Laptop, whatever) and it has NO footprint and you could successfully create accounts and publish apps, you can basically create as many accounts as you want on this system. However, once one of the accounts got terminated, all the other once will be terminated as well.

 

[CyberShrek]

Yes, if you have a 2nd system (PC, Laptop, whatever) and it has NO footprint and you could successfully create accounts and publish apps, you can basically create as many accounts as you want on this system. However, once one of the accounts got terminated, all the other once will be terminated as well.

Understood, thanks for the advice. Google is really cruel...

 

[CyberShrek]

Yes, if you have a 2nd system (PC, Laptop, whatever) and it has NO footprint and you could successfully create accounts and publish apps, you can basically create as many accounts as you want on this system. However, once one of the accounts got terminated, all the other once will be terminated as well.

By the way, you don't know how google gets the footprint if i don't use google apps (don't use chrome and android studio). Have they built all these checks into the SDK?

 

[Partepechos]

What country is good to open a new google play dev account? In some countries now they claim id verification Can you recommend a country that doesnt claim id verification?

@nakamura

 

[nakamura]

@nakamura

Try western countries like UK, US, Germany or France. But make sure your IP, phone number and location fit the country. Don't use free proxies, because they might get abused. If you can, find a resident in these countries who will create an account. Btw. I created many accounts when I was in Thailand and I never had any problem as well. Really not sure what triggers this ID verification.

By the way, you don't know how google gets the footprint if i don't use google apps (don't use chrome and android studio). Have they built all these checks into the SDK?

Many different ways. Gradle, Emulator and also the SDK for example. Don't forget that Android belongs to Google. Then, your PC also has an Android debugkey. The internet connection (IP) and location is another footprint.

Basically, they collect all kinds of information about you, your PC, internet connection, etc. - we don't know what exactly...because: They are totally intransparent. They never wrote anywhere what kinda data they are actually collecting and how long they save it.

Just think about it for a moment: If you once got your Adsense or Google Play account terminated, they give you a "lifetime ban". So, they save ALL of your data and from there one their algorithm/AI is cross-checking your existing (banned) data with newly registered accounts. So...you can try to make a new account three months later, it will be terminated again. You can use a fake name and fake address, it will still be terminated.

A few pages before I think I posted the response of Google Play. Basically, what they did was: They terminated my companies Google Play account saying I violated Google's policies prior to that, which is only partly true, because: My company is a legal entity. It doesn't matter if my personal account got terminated before. I don't own the account. My company does own the account. I could have sued them, but since my company is abroad, I would have to find a lawyer there first, etc., and getting a new computer, 4g router, etc. is just much easier and cheaper, so I moved on and made a new account.

In my opinion, it's a must to use Visual Studio Code (even tho it STILL requires the Android SDK, components, etc.). We actually don't know what information they are collecting through Android Studio. Could be anything.

And about Google Chrome: I 100% agree. Everyone in IM, no matter if its about YouTube, SEO, Apps, etc should never use Google Chrome. This browser is a spyware.

 

[CyberShrek]

Try western countries like UK, US, Germany or France. But make sure your IP, phone number and location fit the country. Don't use free proxies, because they might get abused. If you can, find a resident in these countries who will create an account. Btw. I created many accounts when I was in Thailand and I never had any problem as well. Really not sure what triggers this ID verification.


Many different ways. Gradle, Emulator and also the SDK for example. Don't forget that Android belongs to Google. Then, your PC also has an Android debugkey. The internet connection (IP) and location is another footprint.

Basically, they collect all kinds of information about you, your PC, internet connection, etc. - we don't know what exactly...because: They are totally intransparent. They never wrote anywhere what kinda data they are actually collecting and how long they save it.

Just think about it for a moment: If you once got your Adsense or Google Play account terminated, they give you a "lifetime ban". So, they save ALL of your data and from there one their algorithm/AI is cross-checking your existing (banned) data with newly registered accounts. So...you can try to make a new account three months later, it will be terminated again. You can use a fake name and fake address, it will still be terminated.

A few pages before I think I posted the response of Google Play. Basically, what they did was: They terminated my companies Google Play account saying I violated Google's policies prior to that, which is only partly true, because: My company is a legal entity. It doesn't matter if my personal account got terminated before. I don't own the account. My company does own the account. I could have sued them, but since my company is abroad, I would have to find a lawyer there first, etc., and getting a new computer, 4g router, etc. is just much easier and cheaper, so I moved on and made a new account.

In my opinion, it's a must to use Visual Studio Code (even tho it STILL requires the Android SDK, components, etc.). We actually don't know what information they are collecting through Android Studio. Could be anything.

And about Google Chrome: I 100% agree. Everyone in IM, no matter if its about YouTube, SEO, Apps, etc should never use Google Chrome. This browser is a spyware.

Thanks for info! Is this footprint made specifically on the OS or on the computer hardware itself? And if I use VMware VM can I get banned?

 

[nakamura]

Thanks for info! Is this footprint made specifically on the OS or on the computer hardware itself? And if I use VMware VM can I get banned?

No clue. You have to ask Google, but they won't tell you. All I can do is tell you my experience. It could be possible they are also saving hardware specifications.

 

[CyberShrek]

No clue. You have to ask Google, but they won't tell you. All I can do is tell you my experience. It could be possible they are also saving hardware specifications.

Ok, thanks!

 

[CyberShrek]

@nakamura sorry for such a large number of questions, but have you tried publishing applications on any stores other than Google Play? For example in Huawei Appgallery or Samsung Galaxy Store? You know how things are going there?

 

[Partepechos]

Try western countries like UK, US, Germany or France. But make sure your IP, phone number and location fit the country. Don't use free proxies, because they might get abused. If you can, find a resident in these countries who will create an account. Btw. I created many accounts when I was in Thailand and I never had any problem as well. Really not sure what triggers this ID verification.


Many different ways. Gradle, Emulator and also the SDK for example. Don't forget that Android belongs to Google. Then, your PC also has an Android debugkey. The internet connection (IP) and location is another footprint.

Basically, they collect all kinds of information about you, your PC, internet connection, etc. - we don't know what exactly...because: They are totally intransparent. They never wrote anywhere what kinda data they are actually collecting and how long they save it.

Just think about it for a moment: If you once got your Adsense or Google Play account terminated, they give you a "lifetime ban". So, they save ALL of your data and from there one their algorithm/AI is cross-checking your existing (banned) data with newly registered accounts. So...you can try to make a new account three months later, it will be terminated again. You can use a fake name and fake address, it will still be terminated.

A few pages before I think I posted the response of Google Play. Basically, what they did was: They terminated my companies Google Play account saying I violated Google's policies prior to that, which is only partly true, because: My company is a legal entity. It doesn't matter if my personal account got terminated before. I don't own the account. My company does own the account. I could have sued them, but since my company is abroad, I would have to find a lawyer there first, etc., and getting a new computer, 4g router, etc. is just much easier and cheaper, so I moved on and made a new account.

In my opinion, it's a must to use Visual Studio Code (even tho it STILL requires the Android SDK, components, etc.). We actually don't know what information they are collecting through Android Studio. Could be anything.

And about Google Chrome: I 100% agree. Everyone in IM, no matter if its about YouTube, SEO, Apps, etc should never use Google Chrome. This browser is a spyware.

Yes I have unique residental proxys, thanks you I will try those countries!

And another question @nakamura I create 5 accounts for example, but when I upload new fresh app that account get ban (app white or black it doesnt matter, Im using online app builder different for each account always, my photoshop and my own description), idk why, others accounts are live, then, they not related my accounts but ban my account that I uploaded the app, can you tell me some advice or why are they banning my account?

 

[nakamura]

@nakamura sorry for such a large number of questions, but have you tried publishing applications on any stores other than Google Play? For example in Huawei Appgallery or Samsung Galaxy Store? You know how things are going there?

I haven't tried them yet, but I will upload apps to them soon. I don't have high expectations tho.

Yes I have unique residental proxys, thanks you I will try those countries!

And another question @nakamura I create 5 accounts for example, but when I upload new fresh app that account get ban (app white or black it doesnt matter, Im using online app builder different for each account always, my photoshop and my own description), idk why, others accounts are live, then, they not related my accounts but ban my account that I uploaded the app, can you tell me some advice or why are they banning my account?

This happens quite often. They let you create the account and once you upload the app and they review it, they are terminating your whole account.

This can have two reasons:
- you are leaving a footprint when you are compiling the app (gradle, SHA keys, etc.)
or
- The app source code has been blacklisted/banned

Usually you can avoid this by using a different laptop/PC/system to compile the app and by not using Android Studio. Also, if your app has been banned before, it is very likely they put the source code on a blacklist. Means: Once Google scans your app code during their review and find out it has been used before and banned, they will remove your account for "prior violations". Simply reskinning the app won't help. You will need to change the initial code, restructure the code, add new functions, etc.

 

[viraldude]

An Aspiring IOS dev here.

Currently learning swiftui, no prior programming experience, no BootCamp, no CS degree. It's been hectic and most times, I forget syntaxes easily, what to call and when. I'm just 1 month in, so no rush.

Any advice for me?

 

[Partepechos]

I haven't tried them yet, but I will upload apps to them soon. I don't have high expectations tho.



This happens quite often. They let you create the account and once you upload the app and they review it, they are terminating your whole account.

This can have two reasons:
- you are leaving a footprint when you are compiling the app (gradle, SHA keys, etc.)
or
- The app source code has been blacklisted/banned

Usually you can avoid this by using a different laptop/PC/system to compile the app and by not using Android Studio. Also, if your app has been banned before, it is very likely they put the source code on a blacklist. Means: Once Google scans your app code during their review and find out it has been used before and banned, they will remove your account for "prior violations". Simply reskinning the app won't help. You will need to change the initial code, restructure the code, add new functions, etc.

Thanks you boss