So Let Me Get This Straight

[Mr Positive]

Am I the only one who’s bored and only gets fired up when a thread is about review copies but on second note I do like this never ending drama of vaxxer and anti vaxxers so keep it rolling

 

[darko1x]

I'm not vaxed and not against vaccines at all but what I believe is that I can't compromise the safty my body for other because of a flue. Covid -19 is a strong / fast mutanting variant of the FLUE, the death rate is mostly high in the older ppl and already sick ppl. I go to swim in the atlantic in winter and it works like a charm with my immune system. I don't care if you get the shot or not but don't force it on others! and your arguments are mostly getting debunked. get your head out your ass and check out africa for example low vaccination low death rate and even more, no one care about this pandemic.

 

[K-One]

LOL antivaxxers be like

 

[proxygo]

proxygo be like

 

[redjebo]

That isn't proof of anything you've said though?
Literally the first one I clicked on
"New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated" "THE NEW DATA SAYS THAT A FULLY VACCINATED PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES A BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS JUST AS MUCH AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON"

Just 3 weeks ago from the world health organisation. "Even after you’re vaccinated, keep taking precautions
While a COVID-19 vaccine will prevent serious illness and death, we still don’t know the extent to which it keeps you from being infected and passing the virus on to others"
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

And breakthrough infections occur at a rate of <10% among vaccinated population while infections among unvaccinated and previously unexposed to the virus are close to 100% given exposure to sufficient viral load.
You do the math which group is spreading the virus more and helping it mutate into new variants with unknown potency and evasive structure.

 

[bartosimpsonio]

People were told if you get vaccinated we go back to normal

If we get over 80% vaccinated with 60% efficacy we'd go back to normal. We haven't achieved any of that. Stop repeating fallacies and distorting half truths to spread these dumb conclusions.

You're a big looser and you're scared as shit. I got Covid at the same time as a friend of mine that was vaccinated with the complete scheme. I was Ok and he nearly died.
I'm sick of your arguments on this topic.

You're the one scared of a tiny needle.

I'll provide a source for every claim I've made that you think is false.

Don't just dismiss posts you can't argue with as false without saying which bit is false or providing evidence I've said something wrong.

This is the intellectual equivalent of shouting "you stink" and running away like a child.

See first reply here and I'll finish below.

That isn't proof of anything you've said though?
Literally the first one I clicked on
"New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated" "THE NEW DATA SAYS THAT A FULLY VACCINATED PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES A BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS JUST AS MUCH AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON"

Just 3 weeks ago from the world health organisation. "Even after you’re vaccinated, keep taking precautions
While a COVID-19 vaccine will prevent serious illness and death, we still don’t know the extent to which it keeps you from being infected and passing the virus on to others"
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

Man I even warned you'd distort the text to suit your fallacies! The initial load is similar but then the vaccinated kill the virus quickly and don't spread it for more than 1 or 2 days whereas the unvaccinated can spread the virus for up to 14 days.

Antivaxxers distort everying to suit their narrative.

Of course, there is @bartosimpsonio already in this thread to defend medicine and vaccines, he seem like a bot whenever covid thread is posted he is first one to comment there

This is your first post on BHW and you already know me?

Now people have been vaccinated 1 year later we are still in the same place. Nothing has changed... Governments still feel like they can tell you what to do.

The unvaccinated are in the same place and spreading the virus.

Also, yes, governments can enforce rules. It's how something called LAWS work. Get used to it.

In the UK you have to wear a mask in the super market, unless you're singing. That's real, I'm not making this up. You can go maskless if you're singing by law.

In some places you can avoid wearing a mask if you're eating. That doesn't mean anything. You wear a mask to protect yourself and others, but there are always loopholes that idiots can exploit. In Texas shops must have a pole in front so customers can tie their horse.What does that even mean? Legal systems are hundreds of years old, that doesn't speak about vaccines at all you're just posting random shit to prove your antivaxxer tantrum.

You're advised to work from home, but you should go to christmas parties. Again, I'm not making this up.

One year ago the same people who are complaining now were calling everyone this and that because Christmas gatherings were disincouraged. Now you're bullshitting because they said FINE go gather.

In the end you just want the pandemic to go on, that's why you people are antivaxxers.

Man I don't have the patience to debunk the rest of your post, it's just 100% bullshit rambling.

 

[TashaJ]

And breakthrough infections occur at a rate of <10% among vaccinated population while infections among unvaccinated and previously unexposed to the virus are close to 100% given exposure to sufficient viral load.
You do the math which group is spreading the virus more and helping it mutate into new variants with unknown potency and evasive structure.

I just went through all his linked articles and it actually said "The study details a COVID-19 outbreak that started July 3 in Provincetown, Mass., involving 469 cases. It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people."

So where does it says what you said because current maths say that breakouts a 3 to 1 in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated?

 

[Willyfish]

Am I the only one who’s bored and only gets fired up when a thread is about review copies but on second note I do like this never ending drama of vaxxer and anti vaxxers so keep it rolling

People here take this way too seriously with people they don't even know in real...

 

[LemonAcid]

That's what antivaxers are sabotaging, because for some unknown reason antivaxxers don't want the vaccine to suceed. It's crazy shit.

What are we exactly sabotaging?! If you love vaccine so much you can have mine aswell !

 

[lucius]

If we get over 80% vaccinated with 60% efficacy we'd go back to normal. We haven't achieved any of that. Stop repeating fallacies and distorting half truths to spread these dumb conclusions.

The UK is at 89% of those over age 12 who are now vaccinated.

So I guess you're saying the vaccines don't work?

The unvaccinated are in the same place and spreading the virus.

Also, yes, governments can enforce rules. It's how something called LAWS work. Get used to it.

Democracies work by the people lending power to them after a voting process.

Or did you just have a real mask slip moment because what you're implying with that statement is you want authoritarianism?

In some places you can avoid wearing a mask if you're eating. That doesn't mean anything. You wear a mask to protect yourself and others, but there are always loopholes that idiots can exploit. In Texas shops must have a pole in front so customers can tie their horse.What does that even mean? Legal systems are hundreds of years old, that doesn't speak about vaccines at all you're just posting random shit to prove your antivaxxer tantrum.

Mask laws are not ancient laws that have been kept for whatever reason though are they? Are you ok...

What a stupid reply.

One year ago the same people who are complaining now were calling everyone this and that because Christmas gatherings were disincouraged. Now you're bullshitting because they said FINE go gather.

In the end you just want the pandemic to go on, that's why you people are antivaxxers.

????

The only people who want the pandemic to continue are authoritarians who want to control people, politicians because they get to pass trillions in funding to their friends and make money on the markets or big pharma who get to sell more vaccines.

All three groups rub their hands in glee when a new variant is found. They probably celebrate the death milestones. They are psychotic and these are the people you are simping for.

Man I don't have the patience to debunk the rest of your post, it's just 100% bullshit rambling.

You said my post is bullshit and you replied with some stuff about ancient laws and horses in texas and you can't be bothered to "debunk" the rest even though you replied with nonsense or opinion.

You're spreading false information and the moment people with intelligence pull your nonsense apart you break down into a tantrum.

I have to ask why you're doing this to yourself?

Not everyone is obligated to feel the same way as you.

You've been defeated again and again, go and do something else man.

 

[kralseko40]

Vaccines are definitely for money.

 

[K-One]

People here take this way too seriously with people they don't even know in real...

 

[Gogol]

 

[Hayden Russell]

Yeah never had that one either. You recover just fine with normal antibiotics. This is just pure business right now. And I've had vax shots before. Not even saying every vaccine is a scam. But this one is.

Hopefully a doctor didn't prescribe you antibiotics when you had the flu since the flu is a virus and not a bacteria.

 

[bartosimpsonio]

The UK is at 89% of those over age 12 who are now vaccinated.

So I guess you're saying the vaccines don't work?


Democracies work by the people lending power to them after a voting process.

Or did you just have a real mask slip moment because what you're implying with that statement is you want authoritarianism?



Mask laws are not ancient laws that have been kept for whatever reason though are they? Are you ok...

What a stupid reply.



????

The only people who want the pandemic to continue are authoritarians who want to control people, politicians because they get to pass trillions in funding to their friends and make money on the markets or big pharma who get to sell more vaccines.

All three groups rub their hands in glee when a new variant is found. They probably celebrate the death milestones. They are psychotic and these are the people you are simping for.



You said my post is bullshit and you replied with some stuff about ancient laws and horses in texas and you can't be bothered to "debunk" the rest even though you replied with nonsense or opinion.

You're spreading false information and the moment people with intelligence pull your nonsense apart you break down into a tantrum.

I have to ask why you're doing this to yourself?

Not everyone is obligated to feel the same way as you.

You've been defeated again and again, go and do something else man.

For the 100th time, vaccines "work" a certain percentage and the virus is mutating. Do you understand that?

No, you don't lend power to LAWS you lend power to elected officials, obeying the laws is not optional.

There is a pandemic. Just imagine there being a war and you whining about restrictions during war and claiming your right to exert your freedom to roam around bullshitting while there are people dying for you in the front lines, that's what you and antivaxxers are doing. Every doctor, nurse and techs are begging people to vaccinate and you're shitting around claiming your right to spread the virus.

Your post is 100% bullshit. You dont have the right to spread the virus and I hope all you antivaxxers asses get locked up.

Vaccines are definitely for money.

There are countries where everything is free, you can go there if you want, but they'll likely vaccinate you on entry, by force even.

 

[Flacko]

Yeah never had that one either. You recover just fine with normal antibiotics. This is just pure business right now. And I've had vax shots before. Not even saying every vaccine is a scam. But this one is.

It's a virus.

 

[TheGreatBBC]

pharma scams are ancient

 

[PushKing]

Pfizer works 92% against the original covid. It works less against the new mutations, they don't know how much.

The flu vaccine that was tested over dozens of years and over billions of people doesn't have that hight rate against virus. The best is 60%, but realistically it is about 20% if you ask an doctor. Do you really believe something that wasn't tested even a year has this high %?

For some people the vaccine works 100% and they can rub covid in their tongue and not get sick. For others the vaccines doesn't save them.

Is it like this with everything, not just vaccines? Some people tolerate heat better, some fine with honey and nuts, others can die from overheating and allergies.

What we do know is that the unvaccinated carry thousands of times more virus and spread it much worse than the vaccinated.

We know that if you unhealthy overall vaccine is not going to help.

We also know that unvaccinated and antivaxxer regions are the worst.

We don't know that

Also we know that on average 90% of those currently dying from covid are unvaccinated, in some places it's even higher percentage.

If you count those who died from gun wounds, yes, the number is correct, but it has nothing to do with covid.

Chill out dude.

 

[Deleted member 708208]

proxygo be like

Stick to the games and stay away from sharp axes.

 

[nakamura]

Its a shitshow and everyone with a couple of braincells can see through this scam..and I say it as a vaccinated person. The only question I am asking myself is what are they doing this for.

My friend is a hustler and he told me just a few weeks ago that the hardest thing is to convince the girl to "accept a customer" for the first time. After this, she will do it again and again. It could be possible that they want exactly that. Removing the inhibition threshold of the people for something else to come. And what are we talking about? Injecting something into your body over and over again...no one takes any responsibility or liability. Its a pretty big deal imo.

Because hey...you, me and pretty much everyone else on here know that there is something fishy going on. They sold us the vaccine as a solution to end the pandemic, but now the vaccination became like a never ending story with no endpoint and countries with a high vaccination rate of 70%+ are going into a lockdown again. Something very odd is going on and people are taking it.