[DEBATE] Is KGR Really a Waste of Time?

[Zakhej]

I have success with kgr keywords but it dependa on keyword...

 

[Shaunm]

In fact, I used to post a lot on Quora. Not to drive traffic or anything but because I liked it and even though I haven´t been active there in like months my answers are still geting thousands of views.

I have been playing with Quora answers recently and I am planning on stepping it up in the future too as it definitely has potential.

So I'm relatively new to SEO but I gather from your comment that this method that OP is talking about is related to finding low competition keywords in a niche that have some type of low consumer intent that don't get targeted much. Is that a correct understanding?

Its not low consumer intent, its meant to find low keyword competition for you being able to quickly and easily rank in the top 3 of Google but its a dated method now.

This is actually related to something I've been wondering. If you're doing keyword research and come across Reddit as a top result is there a general formula you can use to determine how hard it would be to eventually outrank? I gather by your post that length and number of upvotes matter. Does the subreddit it's in and it's subscriber count matter too? Thanks!

Not sure, the update that seems to have made Reddit and Quora stronger only rolled our last month so there's still a bunch of testing to do.

 

[HouNiz]

As the formular, KGR show us the numbers of competitors, so it's not really waste of time.

 

[ctdagod]

I was skeptical of KGR at first but I have had great success with them

 

[GainTheImpossible]

Just another way for people to make money - >> KGR

There's no "perfect keyword" or "the best keyword".

Allintitle:How to spend money ->>> do this and find out why KGR sellers are around

Hope you got the allusion, anyway, stop buying useless stuff.

 

[dandan594594]

I'm curious, you compared this extra filtering at any kind of scale?

Yes, I have 100's of KGR "style" posts spread over 3 sites in different niches, and have just started a fourth. When analyzing the rank and extra long tail traffic of articles that are doing well, I found the majority fitted this new formula. Of course I still check competition strength and quality of content, but 0 - 5 allintitle, broad match and under half a million competing sites, almost always hit the top 3 spots with decent content, without links.

I know your in to automating the process, and want to scale, I too have tried going down that route, but as stated above, manually digging through Google with nothing but KWE activated, is the only way to find these very easy to rank terms.

My new project is almost the complete opposite to what your doing, with content fit to rank for even the most difficult keyword, posts that take weeks, with own photos, videos, tables and graphs, very precise keyword research, low comp starter niche, and by low comp I mean very few active SEO's, plus I'm building the site and content to be very EAT compliant.

 

[Shaunm]

As the formular, KGR show us the numbers of competitors, so it's not really waste of time.

That's not even close to how modern Google works though.....

Take "best pillow for neck and upper back pain" as an example, normal search and all in title search are below.

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As you can see, it gets 140 searches according to keywords everywhere and has 9 results so 9/140 = 0.064. As 0.064 is less than 0.25, it fits the KGR formula but if we actually take a look at whats ranking for the keyword....

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You should be able to workout that you have no chance of ranking for that search term and surprise surprise, the term "best pillow for neck and upper back pain" is not in the title of any of those pages either. This is very common for the way Google works in 2020 and as I mentioned in an early comment, since the update last month, allintitle is even more useless as Reddit, Quora, Pinterest, YouTube, and Amazon are ranking higher and higher without having these types of keywords in their page titles either.

 

[SOCOM]

There's someone on this site who showed me their KGR keywords they got from a service on here. There's absolutely no way that a site would rank for those keywords. Also, Google now displays map results on many buy terms, making it even more difficult to rank.

 

[Shaunm]

There's someone on this site who showed me their KGR keywords they got from a service on here. There's absolutely no way that a site would rank for those keywords. Also, Google now displays map results on many buy terms, making it even more difficult to rank.

Yea I was looking to outsource keyword research a few months back and found the same sort of thing was happening.

 

[SOCOM]

Yea I was looking to outsource keyword research a few months back and found the same sort of thing was happening.

This is the reason why I haven't used those services either. Plus, if I was running a keyword service, I'd be keeping the best and easiest ones for myself. Who wouldn't?

 

[bhushan3339]

it is so good to read all this with your 1st coffee.

hi @Shaunm wassup buddy?
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by the way, there is 1 SaaS product also which can find out KGR for you & they are sending me a bunch of coupons to try.​

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[Roger Marquez]

by the way, there is 1 SaaS product also which can find out KGR for you & they are sending me a bunch of coupons to try.

@bhushan3339 Curious if you mean this one?

 

[Mr Positive]

It’ll depend on person to person opinion but let’s see what all agree on

 

[Kenobii]

I myself never do KGR. Rather focusing on natural things.

 

[mmulder1985]

As Doug mentioned it needs additional keyword research. Most people that react on this topic didnt even try this. Nobody ever said that all intitle is the only thing you need to do.

In my opinion, the method allintittle is useless. You have to check another variables like DA And PA. I have seen examples where if I do my choice based in allontittle this will be imposible. But in fact this does not happen.

Yeah because DA and PA are not useless at all....

 

[kakbabu]

With so many AI based updates in google like rank brain, text analytics and ton of other stuff. If you still think KGR works then best of luck to you, you are being fooled by another niche site guru

 

[topakins]

Instead of arguing this back and forth, why don't we go for a case study to determine if it's still working or not?

And since many people here already have websites, the case study participants should buy or find a KGR-compliant term, publish around 1k to 2k words, do the basic on-page tweaking and let's see in a month or two the results. One of the Mods can supervise.

Personally I believe KGR works, but may require additional twists.

Doug is no fake guru, neither @Shaunm nor @SEOMadHatter.

 

[Shaunm]

hi @Shaunm wassup buddy?

by the way, there is 1 SaaS product also which can find out KGR for you & they are sending me a bunch of coupons to try.

I have seen other people mention tools like that, the problem with them is the same as the BST services selling KGR packs, they are just finding keywords that are KGR compliment and are not necessarily low competition. As others have said in the thread, they have seen some of the KGR packs being sold and they are far from low competition.

why don't we go for a case study to determine if it's still working or not?

That's actually an excellent idea dude, you could buy that KGR pack that I mentioned earlier in the thread from the BST that is listed for less than $30 for something like 40 keywords and then start a journey thread. I would definitely follow along to see the type of progression you see with it and in the drone niche, a single sell for even an entry-level to intermediate decent drone from the Amazon Affiliate program will likley cover the initial $30 cost for your KGR pack from the BST never mind the better affiliate programs available by going direct to the brand. If they keywords are targeting parts of the drones then even some of intermediate level parts can cover the cost for your KGR pack. Even if they are just informational keywords, I would still be interested to see the type of grow you get so be sure to link us to your journey thread .

Personally I believe KGR works, but may require additional twists.

Just to confirm after the misunderstanding with the OP, do you actually have a successful website using KGR? If so, can you share its analytics? I am curious to see the type of growth you are seeing, also, if it needs additional twists then it's not KGR anymore...

Doug is no fake guru,

Has he even had a successful project in the last 4 years? Someone linked me to one of his videos about some site he bought and is calling a case study but its basically failing lol. Apparently he accidentally showed his analytics for his main domain in a live stream or something and it was getting less than 1000 hits per month....

 

[EntertheDeals]

Something interesting has happened with my KGR and low comp keywords in Google. I have lost rankings on my Wordpress sites but have gained rankings on my social media posts for the same keywords. Example: I have a post that ranks like 14th now but I rank #1 for the Facebook post. Basically I had shared my WP Post to my Facebook page and that ranks #1. A few other of my keywords are ranking on Page 1 using a Facebook post. Might be worthwhile to share your information via social media using IFTTT or a Wordpress plugin. If I had to guess, Google will need to make some more adjustments to their algorithm.

 

[WebTG]

It used to work, earlier i used to rank keywords within 10 minutes.

Just after indexing the article in webmaster, it used to rank on first page. I made decent bucks from the method so not going to lie.

But now google does not rank your keyword immedietely and for the long term they now generally rank high authority sites or the sites which is ranking on broad term.

And the worse is, already 1st page is filled with the youtube, amazon, product link and infobar. So you actually dont get traffic like you used to get.