Dear folks,
I urge you to read the following lines carefully. I just made a new account here. No, you cannot find me by looking up my IP or email accounts etc, I am on a VPN on an anonymously paid mobile connection in a 3rd world country.
A good friend of mine, scammer like me pointed me to this thread and I took the time to read through most of it - well I skipped some parts where you had been arguing about moral and all that sort of stuff since my time is limited. I know... things are crossing the line for some...
I am not the youngest any more like maybe many of you, today I am a well paid SEO consultant and own some legit and non-scammy businesses. So I was able to keep my reputation in all that years while I was running my/this scam under the radar. Still I am very thankful that I was never caught, but it almost happend. More about that if you continue reading...
When I started Internet Marketing in 2007, I was still in my early 20s, I used the exact same method as OP stated here to make my very first money. It was honestly my very first "decent amount of money", since I only did smaller jobs as a student before and worked as a programmer and webdesigner in as small startup around 2004. My parents had been poor, so was I.
It started all with me bundling "roulette double strategy" pdfs into torrents on mininova and piratebay which made up to 1000USD/mo back in the day (2008 !!!) and quickly I began to create websites advertising this exact method using blog comment spam (until Penguin 1 in 2012) mastering XRumer, later on I added youtube to the mix around 2011 and did more or less what OP publicly summarized in the first post (there are some improvements to the method, but I do not want to tell publicly).
I also started other legal businesses in 2013 to get away from the scam, so I lost the focus on that scam thing around 2013/14. Better that way anyway...
I hope that anyone who reads this is NOT going to believe that just because this is such a nice & tricky illegal method, that this method is outcompeting any legal solid internet business in terms of making $$$. Trust me... It is NOT! You will ALWAYS make more $$$ in the long run, if you create clients that honestly like you. Here you create the opposite: HATE
Moneywise I have to say that the numbers here are well exaggerated as long as there is really no paid traffic involved (or OP knows more than me, what of course is possible - but I don't really believe the numbers => OP, if you want to, just reach out to me and MAYBE we can take a look at that stuff together. I have some nice twists that can greatly improve conversion rates including some mind games to squeeze out even the last drop of $$$ from the players, so you get a good long term earning and I can consult in OpSec, too. I can proof that I own certain websites using this exact method since 2008 - can put a code in it to proof it, if you do the same).
Within the last 11 years this method made me quite exactly 900.000 USD, which is definitely NOT some insane amount of $$$ when you calculate that this happened within a scamming period of 11(!) years. Well I also built a house from that scam money, but I do not consider myself as "rich" and I don't drive lambos and all that sort of stuff. I am definitely not a millionair and I am also not proud of what I did. I just found a method and made some money, that's it (for me).
Now I have to warn you since a few things happened to me, I got ALMOST caught by the law...
Well, at first I was very enthusiastic when as a 20something year old web designer with a broken family and a troubled background, I was looking for a method on how to make money online, I found a similar system (roulette double up system). Quickly I realized that it was a scam and I figured that the owner of the website must have made a tons of money with it, so I just copied his sites and rewrote his stuff.
This lead me to learn SEO, which today is an incredibly valuable skill and I am very thankful for that. My earnings back in the day had not been much when I just started out with this method, maybe 1-2k/month, but for me it was enough as I was a very poor guy back in the days and I was not used to having money at all. After I continued the method for a few years I good greedy - like OP and blow the whole thing up to around 20.000USD/mo (around 2011). This was done by blackhat SEO and XRumer, it is not possible to do that blog comment & forum spam today any more bcz of all the google spam filters in their algo.
What happend to me to summarize it up:
1) Death threads - multiple, at least 100. Some scammed players tried to visit the place that I had put into the contact details of my websites. Also some poor people that got staged by some trolls as the "scammer behind that thing" got visits and got death threads from scammed players. I don't know how this happend, but some "super intelligent" guys tried to reverse engineer me and put "some names" online - well it wasn't me of course, just some dummy and random guys. But the guy he thought was behind that thing got into serious trouble later on.
2) My websites got successfully hacked several times + ddos
3) (Worst one) One day around 2010 one of my players that I had scammed sent me an email. In that email there was a signed paper that he had given all that what I did to him to the police. Cybercrime department. Police accepted that and in the paper it was just written that they started to investigate. Nothing more. But it was definitely from the police. The guy didn't make that up - he was definitely just a stupid fox looking for revenge, it was a real thing... That one now freaked me out totally, but I was already so deep into the method and so greedy, that I continued my operations. After that thing happend I wasn't able to sleep for 3-4 days, but I managed to keep my mouth shut. Didn't tell anyone what happened, not even my gf. Time passed, 1 week, 2 weeks... I was sitting in my home with all my harddrives now encrypted. I was feeling seriously sick and worried and I was ready for that one moment police would knock on my door since I knew that I had left trails (like hosting paid by paypal within the 1st year of my scammer career and thelike).
Well... time passed, 1 month, 2 month... I fixed my broken OpSec, cut down ANY money trail etc... I even contacted an attorney "Can you help me. I am a scammer. I scammed X amount of people". He wasn't much of a help actually, but it calmed me a bit, that there was someone who I could call, just in case that everything would come down on me. He also took a close look into that thing what I did and confirmed that it was fully illegal in my home country and DEFINITELY against the law. But he guessed that given the size of the scam and the amount of people that I had scammed already, I would probably only have to pay a 6 figure fine, no jail time, or maybe a maximum of 1 year of jail time plus a fine. I accepted my fate, improved opsec... I was sitting in my basement like a duck while my operation was still up and running. I just did what any other cybercrime guy in that situation would have done. I moved hostings. Put all hostings & domain registrars and anything related to my scam business on BTC payment, used VPNs and sometimes I used dummies to pay for my bills where BTC wasn't accepted yet back in the day. I accepted the fact that I was by law a cyber criminal and also felt like one.
After around 5 months passed I got calmer, got back my strenght, tried to move things up... I tried to learn more about cybercrime. I started even hacking and created a malware more or less as a fun project. I operated a small botnet for a while. I hacked some medium sized companies, just for the fun of it (I got bored since the money came in anyway). So I got into some very dark stuff. After that some people that I knew and that I did business with (botnet stuff) got jailed. All had been US citizen. They are still in jail (some up to 8 years)
4) Concerning my operation it all continued as if nothing happend. There was never police in front of my door. Why? Well, I don't know. Maybe I just got lucky
Has been YEARS since that police investigation, so today there is a feeling of relative safetyness. There had been more threads, more warnings against my sites. There had been handicapped people asking me about the method. I told them not to play (like OP). I also told mothers with single kids or drug abusers not to play - well mostly. One day came and I got an email... girl in her 40s, it was from a hospital. She wrote in a long letter that she was in the hospital since she tried to kill herself. It was not only my scam method she got involved with, no... I was also other reasons: Husband divorced her, her child refused to talk to her. She was broken, homeless, mentally already dead with no money to buy food for the next day and she was mailing me from her hospital bed. I was her last resort, the holy grail, like as if I was Jesus. I told her it was a scam and NEVER ever to fall for this again. After that I decided that things had to change. It was the end of my 100% selfish neurotic scammer thinking and I started to add legit and legal businesses into my operations (which I still try to grow today)
5) Some other minor things happened, probably uncountable emails stating that they had given this to their local police (around twice per month). But since I had survived the first one, my reaction was just like "ok, you try...". Never did anything happen. Besides there are around 40 warnings about my operations online, just from normal people, but also from government sites.
After some time, I had made couple 6 figures, I left my 1st world country and moved to a 3rd world country to stay there for good and settle down. Gave me a sort of feeling of safety. Besides I was running away from tax.
Until now, I still live, I am not in jail. I have never been. I am thankful that nothing happend, but as you can read here, you know what you are dealing with. I am telling the truth and my personal story here which I NEVER before shared publicly!
AND last one...
This method has ONE big problem: Casinos will have to pay you. So there is ALWAYS one money trail. The rest, you can fix, but not this one. How do I know? One day I realized that a casino that I advertised using this method - they know what I did. They all know, but they keep their mouth shut bcz they like the $$$. Well, they put smth in their TOS like "whatever happens, we give all info that we have about affiliates to the local authorities(regardless of which country they are from)". So basically in that very moment you can forget all your OpSec. The police WILL get your info, not matter what. They do NOT need some paper from a judge for that. ANY cyber crime investogator WILL get your affiliate info from the casino as long as he can proof that he works for the government. Casinos will NOT give up their costly gambling license just for 1 little scammer. So your info will be handed out on a silver plate and it will be up to the authorities what they will do with you. Why it did not happen to me? Seriously, I cannot tell you. It just didn't and I am very happy for that.
How to fix that? Well, you can create a company for that and let them send money to some dummy guy in a tax haven. That is how I solved it later in the long run (company in someone else's name who I pay for that in a 3rd world country), but this is a lot of work and hassle, trust me. Also you have to pay your dummy at least 10% of your earnings since he is taking the risk for you. Basically like any other cybercrimal out there you NEED proper OpSec. Anything else is foolish.
Now you can decide what to do with this information. I am honestly a bit sad that the method is out here now (wtf did it take 10 years and why in gods name is everyone here going crazy about that?!?! I honestly don't even think that this is the best method to make $$$ any more, it is more something for people who are not very creative or just plain desperate), but well, I don't really care. I still operate the same method even today on a very small scale, but with some twists - a lot to be honest. You will learn what you need to do if you deal with all these heavily broken people that are going to be "your clients". Anyway most of my money comes from legal sources now.
If you want coaching/consulting and you behave properly, then I might take a look at your work with this method and give you a few hints and twists. Just contact me on:
bhwroulettemethod(at)protonmail.com
This will probably be my first and last message here. I am not going to argue with anyone about morals and all that stuff. If you want to know anything, just contact me using the email above. I will NOT answer any PMs. Anyone here has to decide what he wants to do now and what not.
Wish you all the best in life...
PS: Forgot one thing... one day my super bulletproof scammer hosting and also domain registrar wrote me a letter that they had to drop one of my domains which I used for that scam. Registrar used a dummy guy to cover up for me. Obviously there must have been an investigation or something. They gave me only 7 days to 301 my domain to a new one. Had to let go of that domain. Until this day I do not know what exactly happened there. The domain dropped from the registrar after that incident. I didn't get it back, went into someone else's PBN later on.
