I recovered a client's site from Pangwen 2.1

bartosimpsonio · Oct 13, 2013

So, there it is. The MF is back alive after 2 weeks in the purgatory.

What did I do? Yes guys. I did it. I ventured into the guts of the dirty stinking animal and let it have my soul.

I disavowed every single link. All of them. The good, the bad, the ugly, back in September 13 or so. And the site's back today... Looks like I don't need any links to rank in that niche. Or maybe Pagerank is dead after all...I don't think there exists a single "editorial link" anywhere on the WWW...

I still have 3 sites in the purgatory, gona do the same for them.

My idea now is to undisavow the better domains one by one and see WTF happens. It's the disavow update guys....they want you to use it. Sell your souls and get your clients back. The beast wants you managing the links for them. Better have a couple of good links than 10.000 bad ones.

Until the world is once again free of the beast's WWW prison, you will have to monitor your links and disavow them. It's what this update is about. If you fight it they'll never let you out of the mess they created.

PS. Don't forget to disavow all your competitor's domains, you never know if they'll link to you and cost you a penalty. Use the domain:example.com syntax for that.

sasuke120 · Oct 13, 2013

Thats why I love ranking with spam.I dont care bout google and their bitchin

bartosimpsonio · Oct 13, 2013

To the latest received messages, please don't PM me about this. I'll be glad to reply here on the public thread. Thank you.

cloakndagger2 · Oct 13, 2013

I'd monitor the site, it's great news but considering you disavowed in september this may simply be the result of using the disavow tool losing the toxic links,they say it takes weeks to kick in so the timing is right and it may not be directly linked to penguin 2.1.

For sure it is a step in the right direction for site recovery, regarding penguin 2.1 I'm not sure.

Anyway great news for you and your client !

the_demon · Oct 13, 2013

Maybe you just got lucky. But disavowing every link just sounds plain dumb. In fact, Google even advises against doing that.

bigballin6161 · Oct 13, 2013

I remembers someone else saying on here that they did the same thing and it worked for them. They disavowed everything!

jr D.I.P · Oct 13, 2013

What to do if my site is partially penalized by algorith update? when m searching site:domain.com the main domain shows on 4-5 result instead of #1

ok888 · Oct 13, 2013

Everytime I see your Sig it makes me laugh

If you disavowed* all the link wont your ranking drop

bartosimpsonio · Oct 13, 2013

ok888 said:
Everytime I see your Sig it makes me laugh

If you disavowed* all the link wont your ranking drop

It *should* drop, of course. Since the domain was penalized anyway, what did I have to lose

? Worth a try.... So I tried.

Looks like if you disavow every link they don't all disapear, maybe they got an algorithm in place to know good/bad apples. Since I disavowed all links from google.com as well LOL I guess they didn't penalize themselves

Or maybe it's a coincidence as others have speculated. Who knows....if you're f'd anyway might as well try...

manny521 · Oct 13, 2013

i have been flirting with this idea for awhile now as I have a redesign in the works for my money site and my product pages are no where in google and i was thinking of changing the url structure of these money pages so i am thinking what does it matter if i disavow all the links...

it almost seems who has the fewest links...ha...

goldendeli · Oct 13, 2013

This doesn't work. This is the first thing I tried on a site of mine ages ago and a friend of mine tried that after all else failed.

Never worked and not good advice at all.

Sorry. Lets see some graphs here.

manny521 · Oct 13, 2013

there might be more to this then meets the eye, b/c this is usually the case...but in the end, who really fucking cares as long as the result is what you received...

i'll try it and see if its repeated (meaning the result), we need to get a good number of cases to compare to definitively say this is what caused the recovery...

and there are probably so many other factors that are out of our understanding that it may work for some people and not for others...

bartosimpsonio said:
So, there it is. The MF is back alive after 2 weeks in the purgatory.

What did I do? Yes guys. I did it. I ventured into the guts of the dirty stinking animal and let it have my soul.

I disavowed every single link. All of them. The good, the bad, the ugly, back in September 13 or so. And the site's back today... Looks like I don't need any links to rank in that niche. Or maybe Pagerank is dead after all...I don't think there exists a single "editorial link" anywhere on the WWW...

I still have 3 sites in the purgatory, gona do the same for them.

My idea now is to undisavow the better domains one by one and see WTF happens. It's the disavow update guys....they want you to use it. Sell your souls and get your clients back. The beast wants you managing the links for them. Better have a couple of good links than 10.000 bad ones.

Until the world is once again free of the beast's WWW prison, you will have to monitor your links and disavow them. It's what this update is about. If you fight it they'll never let you out of the mess they created.

PS. Don't forget to disavow all your competitor's domains, you never know if they'll link to you and cost you a penalty. Use the domain:example.com syntax for that.

bartosimpsonio · Oct 13, 2013

manny521 said:
i have been flirting with this idea for awhile now as I have a redesign in the works for my money site and my product pages are no where in google and i was thinking of changing the url structure of these money pages so i am thinking what does it matter if i disavow all the links...

it almost seems who has the fewest links...ha...

Don't change the url structure! Just disavow the links....

goldendeli said:
This is the first thing I tried on a site of mine ages ago and a friend of mine tried that after all else failed.

"All else failed" may be your problem....

Also, you can't have tested this ages ago, as we're talking 2 weeks ago...

manny521 · Oct 13, 2013

question: did the customer with the site have gwt installed and did they have a manual action taken against their site?...meaning, did they have the message telling them they have a manual penalty?

smartalex · Oct 13, 2013

bartosimpsonio said:
So, there it is. The MF is back alive after 2 weeks in the purgatory.

What did I do? Yes guys. I did it. I ventured into the guts of the dirty stinking animal and let it have my soul.

I disavowed every single link. All of them. The good, the bad, the ugly, back in September 13 or so. And the site's back today... Looks like I don't need any links to rank in that niche. Or maybe Pagerank is dead after all...I don't think there exists a single "editorial link" anywhere on the WWW...

I still have 3 sites in the purgatory, gona do the same for them.

My idea now is to undisavow the better domains one by one and see WTF happens. It's the disavow update guys....they want you to use it. Sell your souls and get your clients back. The beast wants you managing the links for them. Better have a couple of good links than 10.000 bad ones.

Until the world is once again free of the beast's WWW prison, you will have to monitor your links and disavow them. It's what this update is about. If you fight it they'll never let you out of the mess they created.

PS. Don't forget to disavow all your competitor's domains, you never know if they'll link to you and cost you a penalty. Use the domain:example.com syntax for that.

I always look for what Bartosimpsonio has to say about this. Well, I might as well try. I have nothing to lose anyway.

mikie46 · Oct 13, 2013

bartosimpsonio said:
So, there it is. The MF is back alive after 2 weeks in the purgatory.

What did I do? Yes guys. I did it. I ventured into the guts of the dirty stinking animal and let it have my soul.

I disavowed every single link. All of them. The good, the bad, the ugly, back in September 13 or so. And the site's back today... Looks like I don't need any links to rank in that niche. Or maybe Pagerank is dead after all...I don't think there exists a single "editorial link" anywhere on the WWW...

I still have 3 sites in the purgatory, gona do the same for them.

My idea now is to undisavow the better domains one by one and see WTF happens. It's the disavow update guys....they want you to use it. Sell your souls and get your clients back. The beast wants you managing the links for them. Better have a couple of good links than 10.000 bad ones.

Until the world is once again free of the beast's WWW prison, you will have to monitor your links and disavow them. It's what this update is about. If you fight it they'll never let you out of the mess they created.

PS. Don't forget to disavow all your competitor's domains, you never know if they'll link to you and cost you a penalty. Use the domain:example.com syntax for that.

Does the domain start with the letter "a" and the keyword start with the letter "w" by any chance?

SpiderBlast · Oct 13, 2013

You must be jesus.... no, you are the son of jesus after he fucked psychic silvia brown.

But seriously. You marketers really need to have more respect for basic research, stats and
science in general. You did 1 thing on 1 site, then claim to know what this update is all about.

Thats akin to me sticking my thumb up my ass, growing 6 inches, then preaching to all the
midgets in this world to stick their thumbs up their asses so they can also grow taller. In fact,
I could be wrong... but I think this is how most religions get started.

Replicate this experiment on 10,000 sites, then report back with your findings, and people
may take you a bit more seriously.

-SB

edgematch · Oct 13, 2013

SpiderBlast said:
You must be jesus.... no, you are the son of jesus after he fucked psychic silvia brown.

But seriously. You marketers really need to have more respect for basic research, stats and
science in general. You did 1 thing on 1 site, then claim to know what this update is all about.

Thats akin to me sticking my thumb up my ass, growing 6 inches, then preaching to all the
midgets in this world to stick their thumbs up their asses so they can also grow taller. In fact,
I could be wrong... but I think this is how most religions get started.

Replicate this experiment on 10,000 sites, then report back with your findings, and people
may take you a bit more seriously.

-SB

I second this. OP you are always coming with early assumptions with so many posts. At the very first moments of penguin 2.1, you said:

bartosimpsonio said:
This update is all about hitting back at Yahoo and keeping social media web 2.0 competitors in check. Tumblr has Tumbld in this update and more Google competitors are sure to be hit in the coming updates. Google+ is dead after all, this is a desperate move....

From the few experiments I ran this afternoon, there is a blatant Tumblr filter in place. If Yahoo had any honor left, they'll make some noise about this. They have a case with the FTC....

bartosimpsonio said:
So far it's the Tumblr destruction update. Google hitting back at Yahoo.... Not about search quality at all. Yahoo was gaining ground and this is Google abusing its monoply once more.

I also remember very well you were saying we should not do anything for some time after these updates because you had read somewhere else about a google patent technology which they monitored the sites making changes during algo update and they punishede them. Here it is:

bartosimpsonio said:

I'm not making this up

They do have a patent on this system....I don't know the pat number, but I recall having read it. They do several tricks. One of them is to deliberately take a website and nuke it to page 20 and then monitor the reaction, if the site is changed they flag it for closer inspection.

If you don't react and sit still, you'll be fine. It's like Jurassic Park movie, remember the T-Rex can only see movement? If you sit still it goes away.

Google is the WWW's monopolistic t-rex, when they stare at you, you stay put and don't move, they go away stealing $$$ from others..

Click to expand...

Please slow down a bit. I am really confused when I read your replies/threads. You do not have to post 100s of comments every day here.

bartosimpsonio · Oct 13, 2013

edgematch said:
I second this. OP you are always coming with early assumptions with so many posts. At the very first moments of penguin 2.1, you said:

I also remember very well you were saying we should not do anything for some time after these updates because you had read somewhere else about a google patent technology which they monitored the sites making changes during algo update and they punishede them. Here it is:

Please slow down a bit. I am really confused when I read your replies/threads. You do not have to post 100s of comments every day here.

Waiting was the right thing to do if you didn't know what to do. I took a risk though and I am sharing the result of that risk. If I could not afford to risk this site, I would not have done it....and would never recommend anyone do it if I wasn't 100% sure. Thus to everyone who said I donno what to do, what should I do, I replied "wait" which was the right and honest thing to tell them.

Tumblr: it was the Tumblr destruction update. It still is, that bit was right too.

I can't comment on the rest of your comment, it's subjective and unactionable.

manny521 said:
question: did the customer with the site have gwt installed and did they have a manual action taken against their site?...meaning, did they have the message telling them they have a manual penalty?

They had gwt installed and no manual action.

SpiderBlast said:
Replicate this experiment on 10,000 sites, then report back with your findings, and people
may take you a bit more seriously

It'd be great if I could do that. All I could afford is to report back on one site.

c0bbz · Oct 13, 2013

I have disavowed all links to one site that got slapped in the 2.1 update on the 5th of October. With around 10-20 rank drop for all keywords, I'll report back if it recovers as I plan to work on a new site anyway.

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