Hello everyone!
First of all, I have been into this black hat world for a few months now and join this forum recently. I consider myself being at the very beginning of the learning curve (due to time constraints on my part). But I have been 'testing' some stuff here and there. Today I am bringing you some findings about a 'research' I have undertaken.
What is it about?
After reading lot of thing about "Google +1", I decided to give it a shot and test for myself how effective it is to get "+1" on your website and whether it actually helps to build it by yourself... a la Blackhat style and also a comparison between a website which builds +1 "naturally" while another do it using its own set of accounts (meaning you create account to +1 for your own website).
What was the 2 website I use about?
As I mention, I did the comparison between 2 website. So, let me give you a few rundown about both website, their characteristics are as follows:
- Both are owned by me.
- Both are top level domain.
- Both of them deals with one specific product, the same product for both site. Consider it as a niche website.
- Both website's keywords are the same.
- The thing that differs between the two is domain name and the articles; I wrote the same amount of article for both website but the article will be exclusive to the website it is on... Meaning that I don't copy/paste from one to another. Both of them have the same set of unique article dealing with the same topic.
- I originally bought high quality backlinks for both website, meaning that they feature on several PR5+ website and also 3 .edu website.
- Both website are more or less the same age (probably just a few hours apart).
- I originally made the first one purely for monetary gain (through Adsense) but then later on the same day I created the second one because I thought I could also use both of them as a mean to 'test' different black/whitehat method (like Google +1, which is my first research on both website).
The statistics of each website.
From now on, I will name one website Alpha and the other one (created a few hours after the first) will be called Omega.
Search engine rank on 30th August (Before Google +1):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 25th
Omega - Keyword 1: 21th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 57th
Omega - Keyword 2: 48th
Methodology.
The main idea was to give each one of them +100 and see what happens. But later on I realise that I could not more than that and bump the number up to +200. So, I decided that both of them will have +200 but different way for each website.
Method 1 (for Alpha): This method consisted of building +200 'naturally' for the website. I have several source which I have use for that. Mainly what I would do is to have people to type the address of the website OR go to the website through a social networking website. I would let the +200 build over the span of 48 hours.
Method 2 (for Omega): I have a handy list of google account. I used 200 accounts and manually +1 to the website and spread that +200 over the span of 48 hours (its a pain in the ass to do that). I thought that after some point I would have to use proxy for it but I finally did not use proxy at all and build all the +200 through only one IP.
Both of these method was completed in 48 hours. I recorded ranking immediately after the 48 hours.
The statistics of each website.
Search engine rank on 1th September (After Google +200):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 20th
Omega - Keyword 1: 22th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 44th
Omega - Keyword 2: 46th
I was actually surprise that there was already an effect on ranking while I was building the +200. I noticed that Alpha (the one that was building +1 naturally) made much better improvement in ranking than Omega. I decided to give it a break and was checking stats on a daily basis. I could see some movement for Alpha while Omega was not moving much... but was actually getting worse. Here is what I recorded after one weeks time
Search engine rank on 8th September (1 week after Google +200):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 11th
Omega - Keyword 1: 27th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 19th
Omega - Keyword 2: 62th
SHOCK! Both keywords for Alpha was ranking on the second page! Alpha actually peak at 4th on the 3rd of September! I was greatly surprise to how Alpha improved because I build +1 'naturally' while Omega's position just got worse! And now, lets see the statistics for today, 15th of September, 2 weeks after +200.
Search engine rank on 15th September (2 weeks after Google +200):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 9th
Omega - Keyword 1: 26th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 20th
Omega - Keyword 2: 65th
Keep in mind that I have not run any campaign after the +200. I also literally put the +1 button in the corner of the website so that people won't even notice it. Both of the +1 counter was sitting at +200. What I notice was that Alpha was going back and forth between the first and second page on the Search Engine while Omega was a bit 'dancing around' but in the end it's ranking was a bit worse than the beginning.
My conclusion.
I think its a bit obvious. From what I have experienced, google is probably recording the IP address of each +1. I don't think that using proxy will work either (this one is just an assumption since these days, a browser can leech more than your IP address). Alpha kept improving in general while Omega was slowly falling apart. From what I can tell by both website, they originally ended up in the first page (BEFORE any +1), it was when I just build them but over time I just did not really took care of it and let it lose ranking. But in this case, building +1 'naturally' DID help. Building +1 by using doing it all by yourself... nope, seems like google lives up to the expectation of being a smartass.
With that said, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about this 'research' and also would be glad if you would share your experience... Wow, that was lot of typing! I will try to answer any of your question ASAP!
zub07
First of all, I have been into this black hat world for a few months now and join this forum recently. I consider myself being at the very beginning of the learning curve (due to time constraints on my part). But I have been 'testing' some stuff here and there. Today I am bringing you some findings about a 'research' I have undertaken.
What is it about?
After reading lot of thing about "Google +1", I decided to give it a shot and test for myself how effective it is to get "+1" on your website and whether it actually helps to build it by yourself... a la Blackhat style and also a comparison between a website which builds +1 "naturally" while another do it using its own set of accounts (meaning you create account to +1 for your own website).
What was the 2 website I use about?
As I mention, I did the comparison between 2 website. So, let me give you a few rundown about both website, their characteristics are as follows:
- Both are owned by me.
- Both are top level domain.
- Both of them deals with one specific product, the same product for both site. Consider it as a niche website.
- Both website's keywords are the same.
- The thing that differs between the two is domain name and the articles; I wrote the same amount of article for both website but the article will be exclusive to the website it is on... Meaning that I don't copy/paste from one to another. Both of them have the same set of unique article dealing with the same topic.
- I originally bought high quality backlinks for both website, meaning that they feature on several PR5+ website and also 3 .edu website.
- Both website are more or less the same age (probably just a few hours apart).
- I originally made the first one purely for monetary gain (through Adsense) but then later on the same day I created the second one because I thought I could also use both of them as a mean to 'test' different black/whitehat method (like Google +1, which is my first research on both website).
The statistics of each website.
From now on, I will name one website Alpha and the other one (created a few hours after the first) will be called Omega.
Search engine rank on 30th August (Before Google +1):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 25th
Omega - Keyword 1: 21th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 57th
Omega - Keyword 2: 48th
Methodology.
The main idea was to give each one of them +100 and see what happens. But later on I realise that I could not more than that and bump the number up to +200. So, I decided that both of them will have +200 but different way for each website.
Method 1 (for Alpha): This method consisted of building +200 'naturally' for the website. I have several source which I have use for that. Mainly what I would do is to have people to type the address of the website OR go to the website through a social networking website. I would let the +200 build over the span of 48 hours.
Method 2 (for Omega): I have a handy list of google account. I used 200 accounts and manually +1 to the website and spread that +200 over the span of 48 hours (its a pain in the ass to do that). I thought that after some point I would have to use proxy for it but I finally did not use proxy at all and build all the +200 through only one IP.
Both of these method was completed in 48 hours. I recorded ranking immediately after the 48 hours.
The statistics of each website.
Search engine rank on 1th September (After Google +200):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 20th
Omega - Keyword 1: 22th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 44th
Omega - Keyword 2: 46th
I was actually surprise that there was already an effect on ranking while I was building the +200. I noticed that Alpha (the one that was building +1 naturally) made much better improvement in ranking than Omega. I decided to give it a break and was checking stats on a daily basis. I could see some movement for Alpha while Omega was not moving much... but was actually getting worse. Here is what I recorded after one weeks time
Search engine rank on 8th September (1 week after Google +200):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 11th
Omega - Keyword 1: 27th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 19th
Omega - Keyword 2: 62th
SHOCK! Both keywords for Alpha was ranking on the second page! Alpha actually peak at 4th on the 3rd of September! I was greatly surprise to how Alpha improved because I build +1 'naturally' while Omega's position just got worse! And now, lets see the statistics for today, 15th of September, 2 weeks after +200.
Search engine rank on 15th September (2 weeks after Google +200):
Alpha - Keyword 1: 9th
Omega - Keyword 1: 26th
Alpha - Keyword 2: 20th
Omega - Keyword 2: 65th
Keep in mind that I have not run any campaign after the +200. I also literally put the +1 button in the corner of the website so that people won't even notice it. Both of the +1 counter was sitting at +200. What I notice was that Alpha was going back and forth between the first and second page on the Search Engine while Omega was a bit 'dancing around' but in the end it's ranking was a bit worse than the beginning.
My conclusion.
I think its a bit obvious. From what I have experienced, google is probably recording the IP address of each +1. I don't think that using proxy will work either (this one is just an assumption since these days, a browser can leech more than your IP address). Alpha kept improving in general while Omega was slowly falling apart. From what I can tell by both website, they originally ended up in the first page (BEFORE any +1), it was when I just build them but over time I just did not really took care of it and let it lose ranking. But in this case, building +1 'naturally' DID help. Building +1 by using doing it all by yourself... nope, seems like google lives up to the expectation of being a smartass.
With that said, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about this 'research' and also would be glad if you would share your experience... Wow, that was lot of typing! I will try to answer any of your question ASAP!
zub07