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Slipped Off First Page ...Slowly Slipped Down Page 2 and now at 19th Today

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by RichardUK, Aug 25, 2013.

  1. RichardUK

    RichardUK Registered Member

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    Things seem to be falling apart over the last 2 weeks and I've tried everything to get my site back up to the top 5 on page one for a major financial term... It was 3rd at one point and I bought a few high PR blogposts, had my own private network..just after Penguin 2.0 it slipped 3 spots...

    It hung on but over the last 2 weeks things have been all over the place and its gradually dropped to 19th now, I'm sure this is a link velocity filter because since it started slipping I bought several more High PR posts with Trust Rating, last week bought Sape Links from a lesser known provider and the anchor text/brand keyword is about 30/30 % so not ideal but it should result in a slip like this....

    I'm in despair at the moment, I need to get it to page 1 within a week but I don't know what links to buy to even it out...no penalties in WMT ... I notice its only seeing major shifts for the keyword I'm targeting :(

    To top it off some troll flagged one of my videos on Youtube
     
  2. RichardUK

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    It could also be that our ********/NoFollow ratio is too high... anyone have some suggestions I could build some more NoFollow ones to balance it out?

    At April we had around 30% NF and 70% DF ...... now we're upto 81% DF and 19% NF ... what service could I use to even this out?
     
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  3. RichardUK

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    I'd love to get someone else opinion on this?
     
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    Its probably just bouncing because of the links which were built recently. Let it stabilize and give it some more time and it should come up strongly
     
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  5. RichardUK

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    hey, thanks for responding, yeah it could be bouncing... It doesn't seem to be swinging about for other keywords I didn't target so it can't be that the links are low quality. I was thinking of building some bookmarks from .de and .co.uk bookmarks sites to even things out because before must links are from .com but now ahrefs is showing a lot of .ru lol
    Although I only got about 10-15 .ru
    There have been a lot of shifts in Google this week though, I'm running out of time to reassure my client its coming back up
     
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    Be patient.
    Trying to fix something that may not be broken will only get you into deeper shit

    I think your nofollow link % is fine

    In fact ive been slowly reducing to that level myself
    Keep building daily with just a few links
    Dont ping, let google find them naturally.
    Hopefully it will settle itself soon
     
  7. RichardUK

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    I think you are both right, sometimes you need someone to remind you not to do anything hasty... although buying the Sape links came out of fear but hopefully they will push it back up after it stops bouncing. Thing is it slipped down another couple of spots today but I don't think its Penguin as such... I think it is link velocity, maybe a tiny bit too much anchor text and a few devalued links from my private network.

    Also I saw all of the competitors have 100% DF links so thats not it.

    perhaps I should leave them and work on some other keywords, I don't want to make things look too fishy by throwing too many links at once

    Thing is I did Ping the links, since I paid for them I wanted to make sure they got picked up :/ But its not like it was a massive amount..Ahrefs picked them up in about 24-48 hours...about 20 links
     
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  8. RichardUK

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    By The way, one went up to page 2 slowly from page 4 over the last 2 weeks after buying some high PR blog posts and then I bought Sape links which finally pushed it onto the bottom of page 2 and then 'Bam', around Thursday it went back down to page 4.... it wasn't during the 21st when people reported changes

    But funnily none of the long tail ones are affected for these same pages :confused:
     
  9. wheewilly

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    Are you updating content on the site. If not grab a few high quality articles and set them to drip every 2 or 3 days.
    New links with no new content can generate that.
    Also if you have a snap shot of the serps what sites are rising and where they getting their links from.
    Also check your links to make sure some one has donated a xrumer run to you
     
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    May be you should add some social shares as well.
     
  11. RichardUK

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    Nobody's done an Xrumer blast or negative SEO from what I can see, Just the link's I've made. Most of the competitors either have very little backlinks or age old link profiles with mainly brand or neutralish anchor text.
    Not sure what to do at this point, I've tried adding a few high PR Trustflow blog posts over the last week or so and then I got about 20 Sape Links with a mixture of brand and long tail keywords
    The page already has some social shares...I could try adding some more brand anchors because at the moment the main keyword is about level with the business name.... I will need to add some more raw URL anchor text in the future if I can get it back up to page 1

    I'm hoping this is just bouncing but with Google tweaks this week its one of those times where your in limbo :(
     
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    Get back to the basics - open up your link portfolio in ahrefs/majestic and see if there are any abnormalities (anchor texts used, lost links, new links, etc.) over there. Next, move on to onsite - any new changes you've made?

    Also, check the outbound links from your site, you might've been hacked and are linking to other websites, thus passing on the link juice.
     
  13. RichardUK

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    I don't know what the abnormalities could be, for the last 4 months I haven't done anything drastic... I added 2 badges in the sidebar but that should affect like this, the outbound link was nofollow and the other badge wasn't a link.
    I need to jump back up to page 1 within a week or its not looking good... I don't what to do guys... my head is saying don't do anything drastic like buy crap links... as far as I know none of my links are lowish quality but a few Sape are footer links
     
  14. myfault

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    I have the similar issue. My position in 25th and i went down to 257th position and again i jump again to 20th position.. so might be google crazy dance with your keyword, let them dance until they are not tired.
     
  15. RichardUK

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    I'm just wondering whether I should manually make some bookmarks this week to even out the anchor text, perhaps I should not ping the links... or create around 20 and ping them over 7 days to make sure they get picked up..

    I bet it was the velocity of the links I created over last week that did this because prior to that I had been very carefully and slowly creating links but now there is panic
     
  16. delboy2010

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    Hey Richard,

    Your right in your thoughts, just don't panic, this does unfortunately happen at times, mainly when the site is yet to become of high authority, thi is why I tend to buy an aged domain (older than the other page 1 sites) when starting the SEO on the clients site, this does add stability.

    I am sure that if you just do your normal day to day thing that this will jump back up, two clients sites did this last week only to jump up a place higher than previous.

    What link building have you done to this site to get it page one originally?
     
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  17. YouMadBro

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    I also got something similar this August although my links were higher quality than SAPE links. I posted a thread about it today, more or less the same case, high quality site with lots of content that is shared plentifully, got a link from a directory that used to be very well regarded (but requires a fee to review and submit) and I had the traffic cut by 20% two days after, this was 10 days ago.

    I have noticed other movements in August, I've said it before, I have a feeling something "big" has occurred or continues to occur in August, and the filter/update is directed at any links that aren't 100% Google satisfying. Wait it out, give it a couple more weeks and, if no positive changes, remove them and try to replace them with a couple of super hyper good Google & Matt Cutts friendly links. I was considering removing my directory link but I will wait it out.

    In any case, update us on how it goes, buddy.
     
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  18. RichardUK

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    Hi again guys,
    The domain is an aged domain, purchased in 1998 I think and a brand name one. Prior to this it had been used as a redirect to a country specific domain of the same brand. Its a .com.
    I started off with press releases but I did buy those at Fiverr, some local directory citations, Hubpages, Squidoo, some forum links I managed to get on large financial forum because the client was associated, a link on the NY times blog, basically nothing outrageously spamming but I bought a few High PR blog posts from one seller on Fiverr..the blog posts had good trust flow on MajesticSEO as well

    I kept the brand name as the main keyword but my commercial keyword was coming in a close second... I probably need a few more brand links and equal it out but the brand is still top in Ahrefs

    Its moved up one spot this evening, I got a bookmark longtail from a authority bookmark site today...:]

    maybe it just bounced around after the Sape links... I'm about to buy some Tweets and Facebook Likes... Its already got some Google +1s but Matt Cutts said they don't use those...would be surprised if thats a lie
     
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    I would suggest the Sape links if of good quality are what's caused the movement, did they index straight away? Also were they footer links or contextual? Were the Fiverr gigs definitely of good quality?
     
  20. RichardUK

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    I checked the Sape links in MajesticSEO and I checked the PR, they didn't have High OBL's, although now I think about it the one page I bought them for used keyword anchor text...but I only bought around 15 links for it

    I don't think the Sape links are the cause either, for the main keyword I mixed up the anchor text with brand and long tail genric anchors.... some were footer

    The ones I got from the .ru sites seem fairly decent, veyr low OBL and and I checked most had at least 20-30 MajesticSEO TrustFlow, I can always remove them but that would probably do more harm. I don't think I've been penalized as such

    Maybe my private network is to blame, it had some tier ones with a mixture of tier 2 tactics... I think there is just a bit of devaluing going on

    The Fiverr blog posts had Majestic SEO TrustFlow but Im worried there could be footprints because the owner posted a Hostgator coupon post on two of the same sites as my links, I diversified having outbounds to authority sites in the posts. They also weren't those crappy blog sites with 20 blogroll links either, no blogroll links here.....Just a few posts about eCigarettes... No Porn or anything

    I did see one post about Vigrx Plus though :/ but generally the supplier keeps his sites good quality