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Hiding IP and Mac address

Discussion in 'Cloaking and Content Generators' started by Tienvbui, Feb 24, 2013.

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  1. Tienvbui

    Tienvbui Newbie

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    Hello everyone.

    Is there an easy and effective way to hide (anonymous) your IP address and Mac address (router, NIC and Wifi card)?

    Proxy sites like:
    Hide my ass
    anonymouse org only hide IP address right?

    They can still track you down by your MAC address on your cable modem, Network router, NIC card or Wifi card right?

    So basically, I am asking if there is an easier method having to keep on manually changing the Mac address and restarting the router, etc...
     
  2. Drageth

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    You can download tmac address changer to change your mac when you want
     
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  3. JDesty

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    SMAC, Mac Adress Spoofing:




    To get this free tool, just google SMAC.

    This is professional, yet simpel tool to ''hide'' your real mac address. I have been using it for a while and it does the job.
     
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    i think there is an ip and mac spoofer shared here years ago.. i just don't know how well it can hide your ip and mac
     
  6. Jonny Quick

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    Having spent some time looking for true anonymity, thus far I think the solution is a VPN (they are cheap) that has a solid privacy policy. HMA keeps records and will hand them over to anyone for any reason. I would want a VPN that never keeps anything. From what I have read, some VPNs might have some temporary records of their client's browsing, but those get deleted about every 24 hours. It's an ambiguous specification, but I think falls within the boundries of "good enough".

    So then the next question is whether or not the VPN (which ever one you use) passes on, or COULD pass on, the MAC address. There's a secondary conversational thread that has to do with Java and whether or not it's possible for a website owner to interrogate a browser's computer for the MAC. My opinion is that it can, and they probably do. Certainly Law Enforcement does and can. Assuming that it is possible for a computer running Java to deliver the MAC address on demand, does the use of a VPN prevent that? I don't think so.

    Another thing to think about/worry about is https://panopticlick.eff.org/, which also raises the question of whether or not the unique, or near-unique identifiers will be passed on through a VPN.

    In a more general sense, I think the idea of functional, law-enforcement and government-proof method of anonymous web browsing to be completely under-discussed, and probably under-monetized. Most of the references that I see to it are academic, white-paper style discussions on a theoretical level, and there does not seem to be a simple, easy-to-utilize method/system of web browsing that is specifically designed to prevent nosy and highly technologically developed entities (meaning government) from finding out what people are doing online.

    And not for any specific purpose either, but as a general standard of basic human privacy. We don't walk around in public with our junk on display, we don't mail-off snail-mail letters without sealed envelopes and for those same reasons (and many others) I think there needs to be an overtly stated message that the consensus is that government's have no business casually browsing through the communications of the people that they oppress, er-, I mean "govern".

    And why beat just the government (whatever/whoever that may mean to any particular person)? Because if people establish a firm line of defense against uninvited government intrusion into their personal lives, then it sets a much higher standard for all other entities that might want your data, such as corporations, marketers, etc... If the government can't have it, Google sure as fuck can't have it either. So, you set the standard high for the most-powerful entity, that might have the most compelling reason to violate your inherent right to privacy, and then you are safe from all other intrusions also. Unless someone wants to violate the Law, which is written to protect you from them, and not written to use you to help make their profits. We have an either/or choice here, and I suggest people pick the right one, or someone else will pick the wrong one for you.

    Otherwise, you get what we have now, which is an "evolving" (meaning meaningless) standard that completely depends on who it is that wants the data, for what purpose and at what level of anonymity. Marketers can have "x" data for "y" purposes with a level of "z" anonymity, but the Socialized Medical "community" can have more data, for different purposes with less anonymity, etc... If one predicts where this multiple entity, multiple standards and highly complex and variable equation goes, eventually they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want with your data, for any reason that they decide, and the standards for your privacy will be handed to you by THEM, in the fine print of some document labeled "Terms of Service", much like the language that you agree to when you use a Microsoft product, or that yearly document you get from the Bank.

    They should just dispense with all those words and tell the truth, which would look like this:

    So, when I consider this possible future, and look for ways to avoid it, I conclude that the only way to prevent this eventuality is to simply prevent anyone from looking into anything for any reason. Good, workable encryption and the legal right to use it, with good & workable methods for anonymous data transmission & reception.
     
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  7. ratedr

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    I finally gave up and bought a 1st gen ipad for 200 bucks and just go to starbucks and use their wifi, best move I ever made
     
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  8. Tienvbui

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    Ratedr: Yes but they can still track the starbucks Ip address and the router MAC address at that location.
     
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  9. Tienvbui

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    Thanks Jonny! That is the most insightful post so far.

    As of now, I have a solid solution but it is slow and time consuming.

    This is my solution:
    1. Use Vmware to do a fresh install of Windows 7 or XP
    2. Disable all network connections and network cards in device manager
    3. Use a Dial Up modem to dial up and connect to the internet (dial up modem do not have MAC address)
    4. Enable private browsing in FF

    After the private session is done, disconnect and delete the VMware Windows installation.

    Rinse and repeat #1-4 after every session with new dial up number.

    As you can see, it is very time consuming and I want something with faster internet connection and more efficient than manually changing the MAC address or switching out the hardware.
     
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    http://securitykiss.com is decent free VPN

    mac address is not so important as are cookies and LSO (flash) cookies, so either use the anonymous browsing and/org get better privacy plugin
     
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  11. Tienvbui

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    The stuff I am trying to do, they track mac addresses so I need to spoof it at all time.
     
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    Hiding IP address is enough. Website can't know your MAC address. They can only know your IP address.

    So web proxy or proxy software is enough for you. If you really want to hide MAC address, you can modify your MAC address by Regedit on Windows.
     
  13. Jonny Quick

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    Running Java Script will hand over your MAC Address.
     
  14. Tariq Ghazi

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    Websites know only the IP address, not mac. So hiding IP is enough. You can use web proxy. If you are not worried about time consuming process, you can use VMware which is the latest trend in it. But for every session you have to delete the VMware Windows installation.
     
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    This, this, this, this, a million times, this.
    There have been countless debates on this forum, but please, once and for all, a website cannot detect your MAC address without using some very illegal techniques.

    If you are just using a website (you're not downloading and running any software from that website) then it is a technical impossibility for that website to detect your MAC address. I was just going to leave it there, but I'm on a long train journey, and this question keeps cropping up, so here is a proper explanation for next time this question comes up.

    To begin with, you must understand that the Internet (in general) runs on a collection of communication protocols known as TCP/IP. This is a 'layered' model which, in it's most simple form, sets out how data must be formatted and sent from an origin to a destination. Within the TCP/IP model, there are four different layers, outlined below:


    • Link - Communication between single nodes of a LAN ['Local Area Network']
    • Internet - Communication between multiple independent LANs
    • Transport - End-to-end communication to the correct application (creating packets, source and destination ports, etc)
    • Application - Specific protocols for certain types of data communication, for instance, the File Transfer Protocol (FTP), Hyper-Text Transfer Protocol (HTTP), etc.

    The MAC address is used in the link layer and makes it possible for multiple nodes in a LAN to communicate to each other over a shared medium, such as Ethernet, Wifi, etc. This means that when data is sent from your router to another network (using the Internet layer), the MAC address of your computer is not sent as it would be meaningless data and an inefficient use of data transfer. This means that a web server responding to an HTTP request (in the application layer) has absolutely no idea what your computers MAC address is unless they reside on the same physical network.

    If you'd like any further explanation, please either PM me or write here, and I'll get back to you ASAP.

    Now, whenever this this is discussed there is always somebody that says something along the lines of 'omg but leik Amazon r tracking my MAC address I know it it's the only explanation'. Well, if you can find me a single piece of code which allows an HTTP server to detect the MAC address of a remote host, please, post it here, and I'll eat my words. If not, kindly fellate a rake.
     
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  16. Jonny Quick

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    Bullshit. A million times bullshit.

    1) Post a copy of the legislation that outlaws the techniques of finding out a visitors MAC Address.
    2) Post a link describing those techniques.

    And finally, none of that matters anyways, because government entities can do anything they want. There's no such thing as "illegal", and when the government has the information, they can give it to anyone they want. There's this guy named Snowden. You should read about him.
     
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    Jesus holy fuck son, did you hit every branch on the dumb-ass tree on the way down or did someone just beat you with a log once you'd landed?

    If you actually read my post, you'd understand that it was impossible for a website to detect a MAC address through HTTP. It wouldn't, however, be impossible for them to detect it if they exploited your browser and installed malware on your local machine - which would be...lets think...illegal.

    Government entities can't perform literally impossible acts. If my router doesn't communicate the MAC address of my host machine to any higher tiered networks, then it's impossible for anyone to find it out.

    I'll use a simple example so you don't get confused:


    1. I write 'Jonny Quick is a dumbass' on a piece of paper, and 'JFoulds doesn't lack basic logical reasoning' on another, and pass them to a friend.
    2. My friend puts the piece of paper saying 'JFoulds doesn't lack basic logical reasoning' in an envelope, and burns the other piece of paper.
    3. He then posts that envelope to Julian Assange.

    It doesn't matter how much someone looks at the piece of paper in the envelope, they'll never be able to know the message written on the piece of paper that was burned in my house.

    Mmmkay, pumpkin?
     
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  18. Jonny Quick

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    Hay you little cunt. I read this story and thought of YOUR retarded ass. Looks like a lot of people got busted because, as it turns out javascript will hand over your MAC Address.

    http://www.techspot.com/news/53516-tor-advises-users-to-ditch-windows-after-anonymity-busting-attack.html
     
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  19. JFoulds

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    Hey Jonny,
    First of all, it's interesting to note that you took what, about a month, to come up with a response to my previous post. For future reference, it usually looks a bit better if you can think of a retort within a few minutes, instead of multiple weeks!

    As I've said multiple times in this thread, and here are some quotes, as we've already established you're unable to read through an entire post:
    Now, I'd suggest asking an adult to read these (you could even play a fun game where you try and read them without adult supervision and get gold stars if you manage to remember an entire quote!), but the jist of them is that it's possible for a webserver to detect your MAC address only if they exploit your browser and execute malicious code.

    Next, we can look at a number of news sources:
    Hmmm, how about here, here, here and say, here/here (the last ones would be my personal favourite, they're actually the sources referenced in your article!).

    If we read through the article, again, you might want to ask a supervising adult to do this for you (we wouldn't want you to hurt that little brain of yours by straining it with adult material!) you can see that the Javascript in question was a browser exploit MFSA2013-53 for the FireFox browser which, to quote the resource from the Tor project:

    So it looks like the Javascript in question illegally exploited the browser to execute malicious code and detect the local MAC address of the computer, sending it to the third-party server. Now think back, where have we heard something like that before?

    That's right Jonny! In my original quotes!
    Today's lesson should have taught you the value of properly sourcing your material before attempting (and failing, badly) to counter an arguement - and, of course, the value of adult supervision while posting on an online forum!

    You're more than welcome to save this lesson and repeat it as many times as necessary until the key points have really sunk in.

    If you're going to respond with something you think is intelligent, I'd recommend stopping, breathing, counting to 10 slowly, and then sodomising yourself with a rake, you useless, abhorrent, shitstain on our society.

    Have a nice day now.
     
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