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Feds want your customers passwords...

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by spmcnerd, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. spmcnerd

    spmcnerd Regular Member

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    Guess who's linked to that chain. F%$#ers

    "The U.S. government has demanded that major Internet companies divulge users' stored passwords, according to two industry sources familiar with these orders, which represent an escalation in surveillance techniques that has not previously been disclosed.

    If the government is able to determine a person's password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account to peruse confidential correspondence or even impersonate the user. Obtaining it also would aid in deciphering encrypted devices in situations where passwords are reused.
    "I've certainly seen them ask for passwords," said one Internet industry source who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We push back."
    A second person who has worked at a large Silicon Valley company confirmed that it received legal requests from the federal government for stored passwords. Companies "really heavily scrutinize" these requests, the person said. "There's a lot of 'over my dead body.'"
    Some of the government orders demand not only a user's password but also the encryption algorithm and the so-called salt, according to a person familiar with the requests. A salt is a random string of letters or numbers used to make it more difficult to reverse the encryption process and determine the original password. Other orders demand the secret question codes often associated with user accounts. "

    More here http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...eb-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/
     
  2. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    Another reason why its bad to base your company in the united states, if you base it overseas you can ignore all court orders as U.S. court orders are not valid in other countries.
     
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    mrsix Power Member

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    Yeaaaahhhhhh boooooooo USA sucks....





























    i'm kidding yay usa! :usa: :1:
     
  4. spmcnerd

    spmcnerd Regular Member

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    Agreed. Have been plotting my options lately.
    Got a feeling they are as efficient as the USPS or have been tracing VPNs like clockwork for years...
     
  5. triple9s

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    I almost always use a vpn, and all the N$A stuff as of light has kind of made me more paranoid for some reason. I signed up for a secure encrypted email and I'm trying to be more careful about my online footprint.
     
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    xha44a Power Member

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    For all the talk of creating jobs in the USA they sure know how to piss off people and make them locate their business elsewhere.
     
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  7. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    All that training against "terrorists" abroad has really been to prepare them for actions taken against revolutionaries here at home.
     
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  8. triple9s

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    Why would anyone/any business from anywhere in the world want to buy american software or host on american soil because of all this that's going on? If the momentum picks up enough there could be a small drop in the tech sector from the blow back of all this big brother/gov spying scandal.
     
  9. spmcnerd

    spmcnerd Regular Member

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    If we port out/in is not easy and one slip the penalties are rough.
    They watch US peeps like a hawk but anyone across the pond just looses another unicorn PayPal account.

    Move to new country? I'd rather be poor than leave my home.

    We need some Egypt bawls...imo As my Dad used to say "creams coming to the top"
     
  10. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    20 years ago, people were pretty comfortable calling other people "paranoid". Now when I hear them say it, I do not first start examining the possible paranoia of the the person being described as such, now I consider first the probability that the person describing someone as paranoid is delusionally oblivious and stupid.

    Paranoid is normal now. If you aren't paranoid, you're a fucking retard that has no right to have power over others.

    'Cause that's who I think established and supports this massive surveillance state. Fearful, gibbering retards that lack the intellectual capacity to understand what freedom is (and is not), and so they do not miss it after they legislate their's (and mine) away, in favor of the fake, false, flim-flam sham illusion of safety so desperately craved by the electronic meth-heads that govern us; these genetically defective mongoloids that figure the more power they give to the government, the safer everyone will be.

    We'd all be better off if they were pulled roughly from their warm beds, drug from their their houses by torchlight, and killed them dead in their front yards by bashing their skulls in with the nearest colorful yard gnome. Taxes would be lower, we'd have fewer cops, cut the military budget by 7/8ths, completely get rid of the defense industry and instead re-tool the american industry for a permanent, peace-time economy.
     
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  11. UrsuAke

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    You're a little twisted aren't you?
     
  12. elviswong

    elviswong Senior Member Premium Member

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    EXACTLY !!!
    I transferred everything away from this country years ago. They are going nuts !!!! Sad as it's the cheapest hosting facilities usually.
     
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    You are a wishy washy liberal aren't you ?
     
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    Wow! You learn something new every day

     
  15. monkid

    monkid Power Member

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    That's creepy man! Remind me of their PRISM program.

    Luckily I'm not US citizen or operate business related to US.
     
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    It wont help as they are already installing the free trading zone between europe and north america ;) which means europe will get US jurisdiction and their stupid cooperation laws
     
  17. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    You really don't know what your talking about, a trading zone does not make EU part of U.S. jurisdiction and the U.S. part of EU jurisdiction.
     
  18. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    Wasn't Romania a Soviet satellite? I'll answer your question just as soon as you can define for us what "freedom" means, where it comes from, and provide an accurate characterization of the relationship between freedom and government.
     
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  20. spmcnerd

    spmcnerd Regular Member

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    Laws to patch laws and are gnawing our own asses.
    Sometimes I think their forethought is 10x what we do.
    Asking for email passwords is probably already done and elementary.
    This just sets the "legal" hook for them when they crash down my door for email submits...

    @Nigel I hear ya
     
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