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    Hey all,
    I just took a look at some "just sold" sites at Flipa and found many fishy/scam sites. Here is just an example of scam sites: https://flippa.com/2892560-pr3-educa...800-mo-adsense
    All the information the seller claimed about this site is fake!
    But i wonder why it is so easy for him to sell such a site for fake information? Maybe I should jump in Fp to make easy money now




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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    How can you tell its fake?

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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    A site with alexa = 24,865,675 can never have 12k uvs/3m (often, it can only receive from 0 to few visitor/day for sure!). The seller set up this site in 26th Dec, 2012 but he claimed his site had been live for 7 months,..

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    Web Page URL: http://sevenlearning.com
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    Alexa Traffic Rank: 24,918,040 No regional data
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    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: SEVENLEARNING.COM Created on: 26-Dec-12 Expires on: 26-Dec-13 Last Updated on: 26-Feb-13




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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    Would be good to email the new owner, and find out their traffic stats, and new results, I bet that would be a nice blog earner if you done that on every site, and then contacted the owners for their experience, and then wrote a case study

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    I was scammed on Flippa a couple of time's and sometimes the things just seems and look so real. But there is now many way's to check the site's.

    Check the site for comments. any site receiving 12 000 uv will have some comments on posts.

    Also check the site in the way back machine to see what it look like previously.

    also search site:domain.com to see the backlinks etc. you can actually go and google just the domain name too we have found places where people mention the domain in forums giving away crusial info about the domain. an example of a site earlier this year. The Guy commented on WF forum saying he has this domain and wonder what he should do with the domain, the comment was in september of 2012 but in his flippa listing he mentions that september was one of his most profitable months with the site. lol


    Another thing is look at the screenshots look at all the details and spelling . I have seen some domains being listed and then even the domain name spelling in the screenshot is spelled wrong. very funny but these people sell those site's for xxx - xxxx $ so definitely be on the lookout.

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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    I've been keeping track of stats post sale and traffic drop off is almost immediate in some cases. You can check out this prize on good ole' WF as well;

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    If anyone has any detailed advice on how to scout the rats I would personally greatly appreciate it and I am sure others would too, I know Meathead has a WSO but .......,
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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    seem easy money on flippa ....

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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    You can find definetly good sites and business on flippa, just you need to investigate a little bit more.

    But anyway i never bought anything on filppa, i just go to stole ideas, then develop myself : )

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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    Looks like same guy as here: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ase-study.html

    Pretty much same pitch just with a new account!

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    damn, scammers making some money through this arent they?

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    $2k is a lot of money to scam from people

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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    What you don't see are the limited PayPal accounts and chargebacks made by the buyers. When you step up to this level of website purchases they're typically funded by CC through PP so buyers have recourse if PP doesn't respond favorably to a dispute.

    Bottom line is these sellers aren't banking and just pissiing in the wind most of the time. They get the money and soon get the chargeback that takes the money. They get disputes on Flippa that they lose. They get negative feedback if their account survives the dispute. This is why you rarely see any aged accounts pulling this nonsense. Almost always new accounts with little or no feedback making the same mistakes over and over.

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    His account is SUSPENDED in flippa. Scammed and lost the game.

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    What a fake mind he has

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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    Making money on flippa is easy, the buyers on there eat up adsense websites. If you create a decent adsense website earning $5~ a day, someone will easily pay $2k+ for it. I recently sold an adsense site earning $15 / day for $4k. I probably could of got more but wanted to get rid of it and i'm not greedy.

    But to get back on topic, yes there are a lot of scammers on flippa, you just have to due diligence which seems like you're good at

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    the owner was suspended
    i think if you in IM one month you will know its scamm at first sight

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullseye123 View Post
    I was scammed on Flippa a couple of time's and sometimes the things just seems and look so real. But there is now many way's to check the site's.

    Check the site for comments. any site receiving 12 000 uv will have some comments on posts.

    Also check the site in the way back machine to see what it look like previously.

    also search site:domain.com to see the backlinks etc. you can actually go and google just the domain name too we have found places where people mention the domain in forums giving away crusial info about the domain. an example of a site earlier this year. The Guy commented on WF forum saying he has this domain and wonder what he should do with the domain, the comment was in september of 2012 but in his flippa listing he mentions that september was one of his most profitable months with the site. lol


    Another thing is look at the screenshots look at all the details and spelling . I have seen some domains being listed and then even the domain name spelling in the screenshot is spelled wrong. very funny but these people sell those site's for xxx - xxxx $ so definitely be on the lookout.
    But comments can be faked, too, as you just hire someone to comment on it for you.
    Alexa ranking, Google analytic, revenue etc.

    I think the only way to be safe there is to let the guy guarantee sales for the next 2 months and his existing clients. You will only do this for your own safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesolutions View Post
    I think the only way to be safe there is to let the guy guarantee sales for the next 2 months and his existing clients. You will only do this for your own safety.
    No legitimate seller will "guarantee" revenue, that's just not possible. Some will agree to a form of performance based financing, but it depends on the size of the business.

    You just need to do your due diligence before buying and make sure you understand the risks. Buying businesses/websites isn't easy to do well but can be very rewarding when you get it right.

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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    Yep, this is classic scam.

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    The way I have been able to spot scammers is history, history, history. It so easy to generate bot and other hallow traffic. Just go to the fiverr website and you can buy 2000 unique organic hits through targeted keywords google for $5. (and it looks completely legitimate in Google Analytics)

    In my experience the best thing you can do is get a long history of performance and only buy from established sellers.

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    Once I was looking to buy a site on flippa and encountered a simple scam. It was a niche jobs site and I was very close to bidding on it. The site had several months of increasing adsense revenue and the seller claimed that all traffic arrived through organic search and long-tail search traffic with no expenses for advertising. But when I searched for links to the site, I found that it had paid links on various bigger job listing websites. These job listing websites cost anywhere from 30 bucks to over 100 bucks a month to run an ad. The paid-link costs were much higher than what the site was bringing in from adsense.

    So the scammer had made a site and immediately bought links to bring in traffic. He monitized that traffic through adsense. Then, each month he would buy additional and better paid links to make it look like the site's profits from adsense were increasing every month with a nicely upward sloping profit curve, but it was all fake profits because the site had large advertising expenses. The site ended up selling for over a thousand bucks I think. At the time I estimated that he probably made at least 50% profit from the sale based on my guess for how much the paid links had cost.
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    Default Re: An example of Flippa scam!

    Well,

    Everything can be faked... easily.

    There is no protection against scam right now. Only experience can protect buyer (or seller!).

    I just saw Paypal site. Full blown Paypal site, 100% functionality... just like original. SSL, certificates, everything you imagine... it took just two days to get it ready...

    Guys...

    Give me one week and I will bring you functional Yahoo (or Facebook... whatever you wish...)


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    Ahh... and regarding traffic...

    This is probably the easiest to get done...

    With right knowledge you can get EVERY detail ready and just like real (Including browser and OS... whatever)

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    Indeed, lot of things can be faked. There are bots making up the search traffic to boost the site visits. However, if a site has keywords listed in 1st page ranking, it is not that easy to fake and probably worth a lot more.

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    Always gotta do your research..lots of scammers out there.

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    Someone should set up a PROFESSIONAL website selling business that validates the data manually and produces it's own stats for the site instead of having to TRUST the seller. Basically, anyone wanting to sell their site for over $1000, has to host the auction site's script for at least 8 weeks before they can list their site for sale.
    Also, I can think of many ways to protect buyers (and sellers) that flippa isn't doing.

    I can't see Flippa being around for much longer. Too many people associate the word 'Flippa' with the word 'Scam' and that is never a good brand identity to have if you want any level of longevity. It is a shame because as a concept, it did have the potential to grow into being one of the major web brands and the people behind Flippa are not the scammers themselves, they are equally victims of the scams. In fact, if I owned Flippa myself, I would make some serious changes to attempt to eliminate any scams, even if it meant losing 60% of my profits in the short term to achieve this. As there's a money trail, it would be quite easy to track down most of the scammers, not all of them, but most. After all, people need a real world bank to withdraw from PayPal and Escrow and in todays day and age, it's very hard to set up a fake bank account. So Flippa should make their customers aware of serious consequences if they attempt to scam anyone.
    Of course, it's impossible to stop all scams because this is the internet but it's not out of the question to seriously reduce the number of scams. Just look at eBay as an example, they still have scammers on there but NOWHERE near as many as there used to be. I think this was mostly due to their system of user reputation.
    Flippa still might escape death if they make these changes but if they continue as they are without any changes, Flippa will be dead within a year in my opinion. If they do make changes to reduce the scams, they should also consider re-branding too, to disassociate themselves from the word 'scam'

    Anyway, thats just my opinion for what it's worth. (Not much! haha)

    Wouldn't it be HILARIOUS if one day Flippa list's itself on it's own site. That would be funny. Sad, but still funny.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rreeve View Post
    Someone should set up a PROFESSIONAL website selling business that validates the data manually and produces it's own stats for the site instead of having to TRUST the seller. Basically, anyone wanting to sell their site for over $1000, has to host the auction site's script for at least 8 weeks before they can list their site for sale.
    Also, I can think of many ways to protect buyers (and sellers) that flippa isn't doing.
    Sadly, there is very little money in this so no-one who would actually be capable of pulling it off is going to do it. If I retired tomorrow and would have enough reserves to support me for the rest of my life then I probably would, just to help the industry a little, but otherwise - no dice.

    There is an incredibly low number of decent online businesses listed for sale each month, and the number is even lower when looking at the low end (sub-$50k), which is the target for a marketplace as above that, sellers typically deal with brokers.

    Even if 50 decent $20k properties came up for sale each month (not going to happen), all of those properties were listed at that new marketplace (not going to happen) and the marketplace would charge a 5% success fee, it would only gross $50,000 a month - deduct payment processing costs, ongoing development costs and staff costs (which are going to be extremely high as the marketplace is moderated) and you'll end up with a marketplace that's making a loss.
    Check out http://BryanONeil.com - fresh off the oven.

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    Here is one big clue about fake sales between Owners/sellers

    imagine if the seller and the buyer are the same person, will it make any sense???

    actually i have tracked a famous warrior(woman profile) who was doing just that for years,

    she was selling method on "how to extract gold from Flippa" ; she was making a killing with the sales on warriors forums + affilaites promotion. after tracking the beast , i found out that in fact it was a man who had several products on "how to make a fortune on flippa"

    so they invest like a couple thousands in fake sales of websites with no traffic; then they make six figures sales with the "flippa magic pill" products

    these is a common practice in "internet marketing" as you find so much fake information product that just sell these magic pills


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