Ill try to make this is clear and short as possible.

Ill cut straight to what you need to know.

His bhw username is Snipeemflo http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...nipeemflo.html
His skype: noak567

Met noak here on bhw, Talked on skype, Used a CPA that's filtered here all my life, I didn't know anything about email submits and direct linking to offers.

So noak had a Max bounty account with a xbox offer i could use on my video, I put it in the description, Made a total of $35 and i get 80%.

Then later in the month, We jv'd doing comment rating, He had Tubenoia so i'd post the comments, he rates, Made a total of about $180, There was a third jv so he simply told me about $60.

Now, Payments.

Asked him "MaxBounty pays you at the end of next week right?", Answered yes, So i waited, We didn't do any comment rating because Tubenoia was no good.

1 Week later
I asked him can you send me my money to paypal.
He doesn't have paypal because it's banned for having so much money, Told me to get dwolla.

2 Weeks later
Got dwolla and verified it

1 Week Passes
Sent him a message twice a day for a whole week, No response.

1 Week later
He finally replies, He's getting a new checking account and has no money in his dwolla.

Few days later
So he can pay me quicker, He decided he'd do some Mass Uploading to send traffic to a website full of fake generators, I made 5 generators for him.

[9/25/2011 12:40:14 AM] Noak Anderson: send over the bots
[9/25/2011 12:40:48 AM] *** jr sent Xbox Live Generator v4.1.exe ***
[9/25/2011 12:40:53 AM] *** jr sent MS Points Generator v2.4.exe ***
[9/25/2011 12:41:04 AM] Noak Anderson: perfect
[9/25/2011 12:41:05 AM] Noak Anderson: thanks
[9/25/2011 12:41:20 AM] jr: (nod)
[9/25/2011 12:41:29 AM] Noak Anderson: Once I start moving volume, I'll pay you for them
[9/25/2011 12:41:38 AM] jr: alright cool

At the moment the website is down but here's a screenshot from google cache
http://anygivensundaypw.co.cc/xaxis.png

1 Week later
He's waiting for some paper work from his parents which has to send back and it can take about 2 weeks.

[10/4/2011 4:51:19 PM] Noak Anderson: Been really busy with my JV client
[10/4/2011 4:51:24 PM] Noak Anderson: Whos paying me $500 a day
[10/4/2011 4:51:28 PM] Noak Anderson:
[10/4/2011 4:51:31 PM] jr: :O
[10/4/2011 4:51:38 PM] Noak Anderson: Other JV's as well
[10/4/2011 4:52:29 PM] jr: you got funds in your dwolla yet? i verified my bank accounts so i can withdrawl funds
[10/4/2011 4:53:15 PM] Noak Anderson: Still waiting until I get my new checking account in a week or 2

23 Days later

[10/27/2011 655 PM] jr: hey
[10/27/2011 615 PM] jr: still havent got your dwolla up? been about a month now..
[10/27/2011 6:47:23 PM] Noak Anderson: I got the papers in the mail today
[10/27/2011 6:47:50 PM] jr: oh lol
[10/27/2011 812 PM] jr: so by when you think you'll be able to send the payment?
[10/27/2011 856 PM] Noak Anderson: Idk really, I still have no idea how I will deposit my money into the new bank
[10/27/2011 859 PM] jr: you dont have any other payment processor?
[10/27/2011 945 PM] Noak Anderson: Right now, I have 14,000 cash
[10/27/2011 952 PM] Noak Anderson: and pretty much 0 anywhere else
[10/27/2011 909 PM] jr: get a paypal lol
[10/27/2011 921 PM] Noak Anderson: Haha, I had one
[10/27/2011 928 PM] Noak Anderson: they banned me because I made too much monies
[10/27/2011 1024 PM] jr: if you have it cash, can you send a postal money order?
[10/28/2011 6:59:52 PM] jr: hey
[10/28/2011 7:03:40 PM] jr: simplest way to do it is if you just send me a usps money order, all you need is your id and cash
[10/28/2011 918 PM] jr: you there?
[10/29/2011 2:25:42 PM] jr: hey
[10/29/2011 9:50:46 PM] jr: hey
[10/29/2011 9:50:54 PM] Noak Anderson: hi
[10/29/2011 9:51:05 PM] jr: got my last messages?
[10/29/2011 9:51:20 PM] Noak Anderson: No, my skype deletes things older than 24 hours
[10/29/2011 9:51:29 PM] Noak Anderson: Just got home from a trip
[10/29/2011 9:51:38 PM] jr: ah cool
[10/29/2011 9:52:04 PM] jr: i was thinking, wouldnt it be simple to send a usps money order? just id and cash
[10/29/2011 9:52:23 PM] Noak Anderson: Ok, I'll look into that sometime this week
[10/29/2011 9:52:32 PM] Noak Anderson: USPS right?
[10/29/2011 9:52:42 PM] Noak Anderson: Havent sent a money order before

EDIT: The end to the quote above was cut off and i didn't notice, This was 1 minute after.

[10/29/2011 9:53:20 PM] jr: just need to go to the post office, buy one, pay, send it by mail
[10/29/2011 9:53:48 PM] jr: https://www.usps.com/shop/money-orders.htm
[10/29/2011 9:53:55 PM] Noak Anderson: Ok, I'll try to get into town sometime this week
[10/29/2011 9:54:15 PM] jr: my post office is like 6 blocks away from my house
[10/29/2011 9:54:20 PM] Noak Anderson: The bitch it my post office closes at 3.30 monday-wednsday
[10/29/2011 9:54:35 PM] Noak Anderson: I get out at 3 15
[10/29/2011 9:54:43 PM] jr: damn, here closes at 5
[10/29/2011 9:54:44 PM] Noak Anderson: and the post office is like 20 min away from my school
[10/29/2011 9:54:58 PM] Noak Anderson: time to get my driving face on

If i got his address right, These are his local post office's hours.

Mon-Fri 8:30am - 5:00pm
Sat 9:00am - 12:00pm
Sun Closed
Ive never even heard of a post office that closes at 3:30!

1 Week later

[11/3/2011 518 PM] jr: hey
[11/4/2011 9:51:43 PM] jr: hey
[11/5/2011 1127 AM] jr: hey
[11/5/2011 2:00:39 PM] jr: you on yet..
[11/6/2011 12:55:26 PM] jr: on yet?
[11/7/2011 12:14:19 AM] jr: Still not on...
[11/7/2011 6:55:07 AM] Noak Anderson: hey'
[11/7/2011 1143 AM] jr: finally reply, when im not on.
[11/7/2011 11:46:29 AM] jr: i assume now your in school, crap
[11/7/2011 4:50:07 PM] jr: online?
[11/7/2011 1026 PM] jr: you there?
[11/8/2011 10:59:13 AM] jr: on?
[11/8/2011 11:21:13 PM] jr: hey
[11/8/2011 1114 PM] Noak Anderson: Hey, I'm going to bed now
[11/8/2011 1119 PM] Noak Anderson: HMU tomorrow
[11/8/2011 1137 PM] jr: damn this early lol, alright cya
[11/9/2011 4:42:43 PM] jr: on yet?
[11/9/2011 6:21:58 PM] jr: on?
[11/9/2011 11:03:04 PM] jr: on?
[11/10/2011 1:40:37 PM] jr: on?..
[11/10/2011 5:03:57 PM] jr: on..?
[11/10/2011 540 PM] jr: ive sent you a message at least 4 hours apart, each day, for like 8 days..
[11/10/2011 525 PM] jr: send my money in a box via usps, ups, dhl, or what ever
[11/10/2011 518 PM] jr: seriously not that hard.
[11/12/2011 1208 AM] jr: you on now?
[11/12/2011 12:14:07 AM] jr: of course not..
[11/12/2011 1232 PM] jr: on?
[11/12/2011 1248 PM] Noak Anderson: Yeah, I need your address
[11/12/2011 1226 PM] jr: *** GAVE HIM MY NAME AND ADDRESS ***
[11/12/2011 1245 PM] jr: your gonna use ups?
[11/12/2011 1250 PM] Noak Anderson: idk

3 Days later

[11/14/2011 801 PM] jr: hey
[11/15/2011 1239 PM] jr: hey
[11/15/2011 7:39:58 PM] jr: hey
[11/15/2011 9:21:45 PM] jr: you there?
[11/15/2011 919 PM] jr: i gave you my address, now whats the problem?
[11/16/2011 817 PM] jr: hey
[11/16/2011 829 PM] Noak Anderson: Hey
[11/16/2011 814 PM] jr: sent my box with paper inside?
[11/16/2011 836 PM] Noak Anderson: No, I have had testing after school for the last 2 days
[11/16/2011 846 PM] Noak Anderson: How do you want me to send it?
[11/16/2011 8:20:25 PM] jr: is UPS too far from your house?
[11/16/2011 8:20:43 PM] Noak Anderson: Yeah, theres no one for like 70 miles
[11/16/2011 8:20:56 PM] jr: damn, how about usps?
[11/16/2011 8:21:09 PM] Noak Anderson: Yeah, got one of those
[11/16/2011 8:21:14 PM] jr: i hate usps but, i guess through there
[11/16/2011 8:21:47 PM] Noak Anderson: yeah, USPS over in brooklyn, NYC, and Jersey are notorious for stealing
[11/16/2011 8:21:57 PM] Noak Anderson: don't worry, its made out to your name
[11/16/2011 803 PM] Noak Anderson: they cant cash it
[11/16/2011 821 PM] jr: wait your sending a check? or the actual cash in a box?
[11/16/2011 840 PM] Noak Anderson: money order
[11/16/2011 849 PM] jr: oh ok
[11/16/2011 817 PM] jr: in a envolope?
[11/16/2011 821 PM] Noak Anderson: yeah
[11/16/2011 842 PM] jr: is there a way to get a tracking number for it though?
[11/16/2011 851 PM] Noak Anderson: Umm, i don't know
[11/16/2011 853 PM] Noak Anderson: Ive never sent one
[11/16/2011 801 PM] Noak Anderson: Ive got them before
[11/16/2011 806 PM] Noak Anderson: They are made to your name
[11/16/2011 809 PM] Noak Anderson: and are insured
[11/16/2011 821 PM] jr: ah cool
[11/16/2011 8:26:11 PM] jr: how much was it btw? completely forgot
[11/16/2011 8:26:30 PM] Noak Anderson: I don't know, I will try and get down there tomorrow
[11/16/2011 8:26:42 PM] Noak Anderson: I don't know if were done with the WKCE tests
[11/16/2011 808 PM] jr: no i mean how much you sending me
[11/16/2011 828 PM] jr: the usps should be cheap since a money order doesnt weigh anything
[11/16/2011 8:29:29 PM] Noak Anderson: hopefully
[11/16/2011 8:29:43 PM] Noak Anderson: What have you been doing recently

Doesn't seem to notice i asked twice how much he's sending me..

4 Days later

[11/20/2011 11:51:29 PM] jr: hey
[11/22/2011 8:46:51 PM] jr: hey
[11/24/2011 941 PM] jr: i assume your online but offline
[11/27/2011 11:55:13 PM] jr: hey
[11/28/2011 8:29:10 PM] jr: hey
[11/28/2011 808 PM] jr: you there?
[11/28/2011 843 PM] Noak Anderson: On my phone up north
[11/28/2011 812 PM] jr: ah nice
[11/28/2011 815 PM] jr: on a trip?
[11/28/2011 831 PM] Noak Anderson: I was hunting
[11/28/2011 851 PM] Noak Anderson: Now i'm at my cusins party house lol
[11/28/2011 858 PM] Noak Anderson: With 6 other guys
[11/28/2011 802 PM] Noak Anderson: pretty fun
[11/28/2011 807 PM] Noak Anderson: Idk when I come back

3 Days ago

[12/4/2011 1245 PM] jr: hey
[12/4/2011 12:48:53 PM] jr: i dont care if your in europe, canada or hong kong, but i need my money by this week, hosting & domain bill are right around the corner
[12/4/2011 819 PM] jr: you on?
[12/4/2011 1128 PM] jr: .
[12/5/2011 348 PM] jr: you on?

No reply since then, So if you glanced over them pretty good, He doesn't like to respond even if he's actually online, Makes $500 a day with his awesome clients, Has came up with all type of excuses, Owes me $28 for having his MaxBounty Email Submit offer in my video description, $60 for comment rating jv, and for the 5 generators, i'd say $5 each, so $25.

Total: $120

Technically $127, I sent him some traffic from mass messaging on youtube, Had no way of tracking the clicks, But he got $12 out of no where while we had no comments or any other traffic source up, So technically that's 50% mine, EITHER WAY, Even if it did come from our old comments, That's still 50% mine.

Oh and that site, xaxistech, All he needed was a content locker and traffic, But never found the time to do that, So it was basically to buy time.

OH! He also makes $80 - $100 a day mass uploading
OH! He also made $500 a day with his clients
OH! He also had the balls to ask me for a copy of my comment rater while he still hasn't paid me a cent
OH! He also played Battlefield 3 at 95 FPS

[10/14/2011 5:49:20 PM] Noak Anderson: I ran BF3 at 95 fps lol
[10/14/2011 5:49:30 PM] jr: wtf lol
[10/14/2011 5:49:45 PM] Noak Anderson: at ultra
[10/14/2011 5:49:52 PM] Noak Anderson: at 2560x1600
[10/14/2011 5:49:56 PM] jr: you have a daily income
[10/14/2011 5:50:18 PM] Noak Anderson: haha
[10/14/2011 5:50:23 PM] Noak Anderson: i got $1600 since monday
[10/14/2011 5:50:31 PM] Noak Anderson: like a BAUSS

Ill be pm'ing him this thread link, I'd appreciate it if people would bump this since it'd take about a month for him to reply.

I may have missed an event or 2 but this is enough to realize whats going on.

Don't jv with this guy unless you plan on splitting it 0 - 100.

Was wondering when another Shit List would start, it has been like a week since I last saw one

But seriously, sorry to hear this, hope it all works out.

i get usps payments for my service
sent to the uk from America with no issues
quick glance over your thread it seems no matter
what payment method you talk about hes a reason
to not do it. paypal banned - dwolla empty -
bank account no idea how to use it -
but the lamest excuse he didnt no how to mail
usps, hell im from england and i no how united states post
works. 6+weeks ide saying his intention to pay is low
im seeing hes gotten greedy and wants your money

also post the users bhw name and a link
to his profile

Excuses after excuses,

Don't plan on getting paid IMO, makes over $500 a day yet can't afford send a simple money order. Sorry about your losses

Originally Posted by proxygo

i get usps payments for my service
sent to the uk from America with no issues
quick glance over your thread it seems no matter
what payment method you talk about hes a reason
to not do it. paypal banned - dwolla empty -
bank account no idea how to use it -
but the lamest excuse he didnt no how to mail
usps, hell im from england and i no how united states post
works. 6+weeks ide saying his intention to pay is low
im seeing hes gotten greedy and wants your money

also post the users bhw name and a link
to his profile

Completely forgot about that, Edited it just now

Also forgot to add a few message that cut off where we talked about the money order, Edited that in as well.

It's pathetic how he actually asks me for a free copy of my youtube bot that ive spent weeks working on, while he still owed me.

Originally Posted by chipmunk951

Excuses after excuses,

Don't plan on getting paid IMO, makes over $500 a day yet can't afford send a simple money order. Sorry about your losses

Apparently he's a business guy who can't find a way to send a guy in new york $120.

I learned though, If you want something done right you do it your self.

hang on.. uve been on vacation 3 weeks
wich costs money.. but you havnt payed this
user what u have owed him for 3 months
hmmmmmm that would annoy me

but uve owed the money 3 months>not 3 weeks.
when u decide to jv on bhw paying the users who payed you comes b4
a vacation, especially if the money was owing 3 months and your so called
vacation has only been 3 weeks. that still leaves 9 weeks prior to have sorted it.
for some1 who claims to make 50-100$ a day you couldnt pay him in 9 weeks?

how hard is it - to buy a birthday card place in it the money u owe him,
put the card in an envelope and goto the post office and say - hello mr post man
can u send this letter via usps express mail. i get payments like this to the uk
all the time from American buyers and that only takes 7 days to arrive. u had 9 weeks
b4 a vacation.. if this was done to you > 3 months <
wouldnt u be slightly angry

so if your talking to the guy im guessing you can update
the public forum, as to when he will be payed. unless of course
you phone charge has gone as well ........

UPDATE

How much he owes me
$22.40 - MaxBounty Email submit in my video description
$44.40 - 133.20/3 Comment Rating
$25.00 - 5 Generator softwares at $5 each
Total: $91.80

What went on in skype

He's in canada

Gave him dwolla id, But he has to verify his bank with it, Then add funds to that bank account from his savings account, Said it takes about 2 weeks total.
-I didn't like that method and as i said i need the money by this week to pay some bills.

He can pay using Google Checkout $73, But i need to make an account as if i were a seller.
-Didn't like that method

He can use his credit card, So i could make a paypal invoice and he pays with his credit card.
-Cant do it, His credit card is linked with his old banned paypal.

Told him buy a prepaid gift card to use with paypal, Last he told me, He had 14k cash.
-That involves cash, His 14k is in an investment account that has monthly maximums he can withdraw

Showed him this https://www.wugift.com/wugiftcard/gi...action=ShopNow

Simply choose a card, message, etc. Then choose an amount, Shipping method, He pays with his credit card, Western Union sends me the gift card.

Ill figure out how to get the money in cash or paypal.

$91.80
$5 Gift Card Fee
$10 FedEx 2 Day Shipping
Total: $106.80

They do have free shipping, First Class Mail.
After waiting 3 months, 10 bucks for 2 day shipping is the least he can do.

He said he'll have that done when he has more than 1 bar.

So until then, I'm waiting...

like i said i get mailed payments all the
time - what ever excuses he has for other
methods of payments, there can be none
for just mailing u the cash by express mail

ide also ask him to state when it will be
done and if he passes that date let him
no your passing this to a mod > whiz or bigbuddy
which will probably result in all his future jvs being
suspended or stopped

Pay up son!

Dude, I'm no scammer. I will handle this with him, no offense, but this doesn't involve you. I respect your concern, but please, its being dealt with.

As to Jr, I get back in 2 days, I will then get a prepaid card sent to you.
Sound good?

This is the shitlist sunshine
Anybody and everybodies allowed comment on it
So instead of making excuses
PAY THE MAN
THE MONEY YOU OWE HIM

UPDATE

Apparently it cost $15 extra, $5 For the gift card, $10 for FedEx 2 day shipping, Which he doesn't want to spend.

[1131 PM] jr: Whats the latest?
[1132 PM] Noak Anderson: When I get back I will send a gift card to you
[1132 PM] jr: Didn't we agree on simply paying here and western union sends me one with 2 day shipping?
[1134 PM] jr: https://www.wugift.com/wugiftcard/gi...action=ShopNow
[1112 PM] Noak Anderson: That costs $15, I'm just going to buy one at walgreens and mail it to you
[1119 PM] jr: So $15 is too much for you?
[1129 PM] Noak Anderson: I don't waste money
[1159 PM] jr: Ive been waiting 3 months, The least you could do is take an extra $15 out of your pocket so i can get my money in 2 days.
[1153 PM] Noak Anderson: Dude, it will take 2 more days
[1106 PM] jr: 2 more days for what?
[1120 PM] Noak Anderson: than me wasting 15 to send it to you
[1107 PM] jr: Confused, So your saying an extra 2 days and you save $15?
[1146 PM] Noak Anderson: yep.
[11:14:49 PM] jr: With all the methods you got of making money, Isn't $15 chump change?
[1104 PM] Noak Anderson: I'm not getting into an argument, thats whats happening
[11:16:08 PM] jr: To be honest, I don't earn shit and if i owed someone for 3 months, I'd definitely take $15 out of my pocket to pay them asap, I'm sure anyone else would do the same thing.
[1119 PM] jr: Seriously, If you really earned $80 - $100 a day mass uploading and $500 a day with a client for a few weeks, $15 should look like 15 cents to you.
[11:21:08 PM] jr: What happen to
=== I QUOTED A CHAT LOG WHICH WILL BE BELOW ===
[11:26:49 PM] *** Noak Anderson sent EWA Earnings.JPG ***
[1120 PM] jr: Ok you proved you made $500+ a day, So why is $15 such a situation to you?
[11:29:45 PM] jr: It's not wasting money, It's to partially make it up for taking 3 months to pay.
[1145 PM] jr: I was writing an update to the thread with the chat quoted, Ill add this onto it and if you reply, ill edit the update.

Here's the quote from our chat when we were talking about PPC.

[10/23/2011 824 PM] jr: but takes investment to even see what works
[10/23/2011 850 PM] Noak Anderson: For me now, $2k is nothing
[10/23/2011 8:29:00 PM] Noak Anderson: I know people that spend $10k+ per day

Wow, $2k is nothing to him.
Most of what i would say in this update is in my messages but..

$5 Gift Card Fee, $10 FedEx 2 day shipping.

It's like, are you serious? 3 Months waiting and you can't take $15 out of your $14k to partially make up for the wait?

As i said in the chat log, I don't earn shit at the moment, But if i owed someone money for 3 months, I'd take $15 out of my pocket to get them paid asap and im sure many of you would too.

If it's too much to read or your too lazy to read it.
He doesn't want to spend $15 on Gift Card Fee's and Shipping from his $14k.

Why don't i wait the 2 days PLUS shipping time?
1. Obviously, Ive waited 3 months already!

2. I have my own cool excuse (which is true), The mail man here are always late so they don't even put the mail in the box, They throw it all through the hole on the door and i find it all wet.
Offtopic: Ive told him before how my 2 GB of ram got lost/stolen and newegg sent me a new one.

3. He'll easily have an excuse for not buying a gift card and mailing it, This is the only secure, simple, fast method.

For all i know, His next excuse could be that he didn't have keys to his house and everyone's on a trip for the weekend and that's where his money is at.

As of now, No reply after sending me his earnings screen shot.

Let me also add now that i remember!
When we first started comment rating he didn't have accounts, I had 17 manually made accounts which ive been commenting + rating manually for months on, Told him i have top comments on them so don't get them banned (I was earning $5 - $10 a day), 2-3 Days later, Disabled.

So TECHNICALLY you owe me those extra $15 or more cause it took me 2 weeks to get top comments MANUALLY on about 20 videos.

Wow, that's pretty low. Of course if you owed anyone anything and delayed it up to 3 months, then YEAH the least you could do is a small favor to make up for the time lost.

I'll even pay the $15 so this can be sped up. It's borderline ridiculous. Or i'll just give you $15 to ease the situation a little bit for you Ranger11, just PM me your paypal.

It's beginning to look doubtful that the earnings screenshot is even his, he talks like a rich man, but sure as hell acts like he can't afford a single dollar to pay back those who helped him make some money in the first place.

Originally Posted by snipeemflo

I'm in British Columbia in Canada. I'm with my uncle. I was deer hunting the previous weeks. Now I'm up here for R&R without a computer and 2 bars on my cell phone.

Still, being said, working with Jr

Uh dude, hate to piss on your parade, but your posting history on BHW does not match with this story about being on vacation for 3 weeks, deer hunting in BC, and no computer now blah blah blah...

You posted in threads on:
5 December
30 November
27 November
22 November
21 November
20 November

I could go on, but anyone else can see your posts themselves from your profile. It doesn't match with your excuse for why you haven't paid or even communicated with him until he went public.

At this point, I'd suggest you suck it up and pay the $20 fee for getting the OP what is due to him. It's a small chunk of change in return for managing to salvage what is left of your reputation (which, in the IM/BH world, is one of the most valuable assets a person has).

It's pretty obvious he was choosing not to respond since im not a millionaire.

His obvious answer would be he used his phone to go on the forums, Hmm he was telling me that data service on his phone charges a lot outside US, Guessing skype takes more data than BHW.

Also, Mind explaining how you took a screen shot of your ewa earnings and sent it to me over skype?, I believe you need a computer to print screen and crop an image.

As of now, It's simple, I can get my money in 2 days if he spends $15 out of his pocket but he wants to buy one at walgreens and mail it to me, I'm simply 100% sure something will go wrong with him buying it and mailing it.

It's not my fault his paypal is banned and his credit card is banned from paypal.
It's not my fault he has no money in dwolla
It's not my fault usps closes at 3:30 and you get out of school at 3:15
It's NOT my problem! It's yours!

This is definitely funny, Found this in the chat logs

[10/15/2011 1142 AM] Noak Anderson: I spent $2k on weed for a prom party lololol

Oh but wait! He doesn't waste money..

[12/8/2011 1134 PM] jr: https://www.wugift.com/wugiftcard/gi...action=ShopNow
[12/8/2011 1112 PM] Noak Anderson: That costs $15, I'm just going to buy one at walgreens and mail it to you
[12/8/2011 1119 PM] jr: So $15 is too much for you?
[12/8/2011 1129 PM] Noak Anderson: I don't waste money

pm this thread to to the mods
either whizgizmo or bigbuddy
the guy is being a complete ass
just do it - hell ille do it

thread pmd to whiz
now lets see if paying 20$ to send the
money he ows to the op is worth loosing
his future jvs

and i didnt call you a scammer ide call you an idiot
snipeemflo - the buyer has been 3 months patient
with you - and all u offer is excuse after excuse
and we can all see it

added neg -1 for being awquard to the guy
u owe money to

Pay the money and let's get this over with.