I came in contact via the hire a freelancer section.

This guy seems to be running a typical scammy schtick. He acts like he has no money and is broke to get you to feel sorry. Then, he promises to do anything for a really low cost.

In my case, I wanted some mail accounts and he claimed he'd do them himself. He created with nearly all the same IP's and probably some other problems because the accounts were dead literally just hours after I got them and I never even got to use them. Worse, I paid him more than he asked because I felt bad and the price was low. I sure regret that.

So, long story short I asked for my money back. Also even gave the guy opportunity to make it right by doing a different small job or just sending the mails promised. Well, he goes from this to NO contact for days on end. Sent me less than half the money I paid him and dropped off the radar.

I finally get mad, and send him a fairly nasty message. He starts name calling and basically tells me to piss off. LOL. He still has my money and I have nothing but harassment and loads of time wasted from him.

Watch out for this guy, Captchaman.

Code:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/138224-captchaman.html

MEmber profile^^

By the way , post more proof as chatlogs , screenshots etc...

Well, I don't have much in chat logs because this guy doesn't respond. He just takes money and runs. So far, he's not sending me money or contacting me at all. As you can see, he probably doesn't even know or care about this shit list posting :-/ Makes me mad as I sent payment via paypal via service and can't easily dispute the charge. What a THIEF!

I wrote:
Dude, are you unable to reply to mail anymore? lol. Look , if you aren't going to respond, just give me my money back. I don't want to deal with this crap. I need people that communicate.
He wrote back:
It's the fucking weekend dude, I'm not going to be connected at the hip 24/7 because some asshole thinks he warrants it. Tell you what, I'm done putting programming time in to create these, I'll just give you your money back. You'll have it by Tuesday.


Note he just started cursing at me and calling names after I asked him twice over 2 days for response or my money back. He only sent me 9 dollars and a penny claiming he couldn't send any more. Note also it's now Wednesday and still no response or refund from this guy. Also, he's now complete off gchat. He's probably some con artist going under other names. I'm for now leaving his name off and mine as well. However, if anyone else has dealt with this con artist please post or feel free to PM me. Thanks!

Originally Posted by madamdesire

I wrote:
Dude, are you unable to reply to mail anymore? lol. Look , if you aren't going to respond, just give me my money back. I don't want to deal with this crap. I need people that communicate.
He wrote back:
It's the fucking weekend dude, I'm not going to be connected at the hip 24/7 because some asshole thinks he warrants it. Tell you what, I'm done putting programming time in to create these, I'll just give you your money back. You'll have it by Tuesday.


Note he just started cursing at me and calling names after I asked him twice over 2 days for response or my money back. He only sent me 9 dollars and a penny claiming he couldn't send any more. Note also it's now Wednesday and still no response or refund from this guy. Also, he's now complete off gchat. He's probably some con artist going under other names. I'm for now leaving his name off and mine as well. However, if anyone else has dealt with this con artist please post or feel free to PM me. Thanks!

PM bigbuddy, I think he can help you
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...-bigbuddy.html

Well not to be a stick in the mud but captchaman has done business with me and never done me wrong. Im not saying that he did not rip you off. But he has always done straight forward honest business with me.

Another Reputed member...we need some proofs OP,contact mods

Post up some proofs and i hope you guys manage to get it resolved. no need to start the name calliong though

What do you want for proofs? Look I already posted the last lines he wrote and I wrote. It's just a matter of 15 or 20, however, the mods should look into this because I'm sure he's ripping people off all over.

If you mean I have to go and document every chat logs, show proof my payment, and all that ... I'm not gonna do it. That takes time, and he's already ripped me off. Still NO REPLY and NO REFUND.

Originally Posted by scotsmarc

Post up some proofs and i hope you guys manage to get it resolved. no need to start the name calliong though

No working out, he just takes the money and runs. I sent him a nasty note reminding him that word of mouth travels fast. We'll see ...

over 15 or 20 bucks you are better off to forget it and write it off as charity bro. You are causing yourself a lot of stress over pennies. I know there is the principle of the matter but isn't your time more valuable than spending it being stressed out by this guy?

Originally Posted by adbot

over 15 or 20 bucks you are better off to forget it and write it off as charity bro. You are causing yourself a lot of stress over pennies. I know there is the principle of the matter but isn't your time more valuable than spending it being stressed out by this guy?

No way. This place is loaded with scammers. I'll call them like I see them. At least some people see this posting!

$15-20 nothing bro, life goes on

seems petty. The guy delivered a sub par product but also partially refunded you. Scammers dont issue partial refunds. I think your just pissed that he didnt kiss your ass and respond immediately to your every beck and call. Now your wasting your time and energy over $9. like I said, seems petty.

Originally Posted by adbot

seems petty. The guy delivered a sub par product but also partially refunded you. Scammers dont issue partial refunds. I think your just pissed that he didnt kiss your ass and respond immediately to your every beck and call. Now your wasting your time and energy over $9. like I said, seems petty.

LOL. Hey man, leave your cheerleading for captchaman comments at the door! Not sub par. NO product at all, plus a bunch of insults from him. He owes me about $15, but if I was dumb enough to pay him more he'd also not be refunding. The guy is a con artist. What's your point of defending him?

Originally Posted by JohnnyRabbit

$15-20 nothing bro, life goes on

WTF? Right, so it's better to let people "go" if the dollar amount is low. THen, they can rip off more people for low amounts of money OR ripoff people for larger amounts? This forum is lucky to have a few honest people like me. The next person that captchaman would be ripping off will be THANKING me.

Originally Posted by madamdesire

LOL. Hey man, leave your cheerleading for captchaman comments at the door! Not sub par. NO product at all, plus a bunch of insults from him. He owes me about $15, but if I was dumb enough to pay him more he'd also not be refunding. The guy is a con artist. What's your point of defending him?

You said he delivered the emails but they died. So he did deliver a product albeit a sub par one. I don't know the guy personally and have never dealt with him. Never heard of him til now. Im not defending him personally but lets face it, your a new member and have not shown any proofs. Furthermore it looks like he has a pretty fair rep here with a couple positive itraders. Why should I even believe you with no proofs? You could just be pissed cause he was a dick to you. I would like to hear what he has to say about this...

IMO this goes on too much around here. I see it all the time. "Oh let that guy go". "Chalk it up" "Life goes on". Meanwhile, the number of bad traders gets higher and higher and more and more get ripped off for more and more money.

PS. Partial refund is a scam. Not delivering the product at all is a scam. I didn't ask for a partial refund. I demanded a full refund. Plus, he lied and said he'd refund on Tuesday and he never did! Is this really the kind of person you want trading about the forum?!

Originally Posted by adbot

You said he delivered the emails but they died. So he did deliver a product albeit a sub par one. I don't know the guy personally and have never dealt with him. Never heard of him til now. Im not defending him personally but lets face it, your a new member and have not shown any proofs. Furthermore it looks like he has a pretty fair rep here with a couple positive itraders. Why should I even believe you with no proofs? You could just be pissed cause he was a dick to you. I would like to hear what he has to say about this...

He'll probably come on here like many other well known scammers have done with personal attacks and unrelated stuff for me to DISTRACT everyone from simple fact.

1) He didn't deliver the product at all
2) He didn't refund, and still hasn't

Bad emails are a SERIOUS problem, and anyone that's bought them from various people here can tell you that. I could make a damn good income selling scammy emails created with bots from few IP's to people around here if I had no ethics. Many unfortunately do, and it's basically what this guy did.

Nobody can expect a mail account to last forever, but it should at least last for ONE email ... and really for more than that. His were DOA. DOA is a scam. Here , on Ebay, or anywhere else. Would you like to buy $25 worth of emails from me that are going to be dead and useless before you get them? Heck, I could just fake a list of mails. It's called a scam, and he needs to be called out on it.

Originally Posted by madamdesire

I came in contact via the hire a freelancer section.

This guy seems to be running a typical scammy schtick. He acts like he has no money and is broke to get you to feel sorry. Then, he promises to do anything for a really low cost.

In my case, I wanted some mail accounts and he claimed he'd do them himself. He created with nearly all the same IP's and probably some other problems because the accounts were dead literally just hours after I got them and I never even got to use them. Worse, I paid him more than he asked because I felt bad and the price was low. I sure regret that.

So, long story short I asked for my money back. Also even gave the guy opportunity to make it right by doing a different small job or just sending the mails promised. Well, he goes from this to NO contact for days on end. Sent me less than half the money I paid him and dropped off the radar.

I finally get mad, and send him a fairly nasty message. He starts name calling and basically tells me to piss off. LOL. He still has my money and I have nothing but harassment and loads of time wasted from him.

Watch out for this guy, Captchaman.

So you received the emails you paid for, paid him more than he asked because his price was low and are now bitching because after you sent him a nasty email he wont talk to you? Lets be clear on this.

The last thing I will say is this, and no offense to you, I don't know you either. But as much as we cant have scammers running around, we also cant let every newb with 10 posts under his belt start shitlisting reputable members without proof. So in closing, Proofs or GTFO.

Originally Posted by adbot

So you received the emails you paid for, paid him more than he asked because his price was low and are now bitching because after you sent him a nasty email he wont talk to you? Lets be clear on this.

The last thing I will say is this, and no offense to you, I don't know you either. But as much as we cant have scammers running around, we also cant let every newb with 10 posts under his belt start shitlisting reputable members without proof. So in closing, Proofs or GTFO.

Well, if you speak for everyone here, then what more "proof" do you need?

Captchaman coded a yelpApp for me and he took 2 days to code it (worked great, worth of) and then for support i needed to send him emails and buzz for weeks daily.

@madamdesire

buddy no flame but do not bitch for few bucks.

Hey whatever! I've seen this many times before around here. You guys and captchaman's cronies have fun cheerleading him in the face of a complaint.

However, the exercise for the "reader" is THIS. If someone is so good, then why are they having complaints, not defending themselves, AND not having so-called "good reviews" until someone complains?

Just remember, it's just like politics. If you embolden the scammer , he's only gonna scam more. I can provide any SPECIFIC proof anyone needs that captchaman scammed me. Yep, it's only a few bucks but the economy is pretty bad last I checked. Plus, the principle remains.

Also, I think it's pretty funny I get berated for actually paying the guy more than he asked because he made me feel bad for him. No good deed goes unpunished - that's for sure!

Originally Posted by Evan Foster

Captchaman coded a yelpApp for me and he took 2 days to code it (worked great, worth of) and then for support i needed to send him emails and buzz for weeks daily.

Well hey, that's just GREAT and DANDY but he ripped me off. I guess you are saying it's cool he didn't rip you off but DID rip me off? I got a better plan. How about nobody rips anyone off, and if there is a misunderstanding we hash it out over a few beers. I'm not holding any grudge, but this dude SHOULD refund my money or even send my emails. I'm reasonable.

Today was the first time since August 28th you'd crossed my mind, thanks for the nice and professional reminder email calling me a "damn crook." Yes, since school started back up I've been busy. Anyway, since you mentioned that "word of mouth is already traveling fast" I decided to come here and check this section. Lo and behold you're here with your panties in a twist. Anyway, I paid you, and I won't go low enough to post screenshots of our chats outlining why you should be banned (again) from this forum. That's private between me and you.

Also know that this is our last business interaction. The program that I spend 3 days coding and re-coding for you is working perfectly fine, but I'll probably end up selling it to someone else very cheap, feel free to buy the emails from them.

tl;dr: Next time you have business interactions with a busy person, sometimes it takes more than one reminder email to get their attention.

You just showed your true colors and proved the validity of this ripoff report.

Instead of defending yourself, you come back AGAIN attacking me with a low blow of trying to spread my personal info and slander me on the forum. Hey whatever buddy! Just remember if it's NOT true it's slander/libel. Once more, you have ZERO right to attack you you DAMN CROOK!

I gotta love your statement that you never would have checked the shit list if I didn't basically tell you I posted it. Nope. you would have ignored me and just kept the money. That's how you work, and you just told everyone!

Originally Posted by captchaman

Also know that this is our last business interaction. The program that I spend 3 days coding and re-coding for you is working perfectly fine, but I'll probably end up selling it to someone else very cheap, feel free to buy the emails from them.

tl;dr: Next time you have business interactions with a busy person, sometimes it takes more than one reminder email to get their attention.

AGAIN, thanks for openly admitting you never sent the working emails and didn't reply to any further requests for refund. You say I should be banned? Hmm... I'm not ripping anyone off here. YOU ARE!!!

Doesn't matter whether its $1 or $1000

whenever someone starts telling you how bad they need the work - about their family problems etc etc ... you know that its really 9/10 times a con.

so refund the guy the money and if you have a service to offer

pay the money and get your own thread - have a mod review it and go from there.

in some respects both parties are in the wrong - but me being a buyer of services on this forum every week - I tend to side with buyers - because at the end of the day - we are paying money for things we have little chance of getting a refund for if things don't work out.

I really hate buying accounts from people who use 2 Ips to create 100's of accounts and wonder why they all get disabled... anyway getting off topic now ... hopefully BigBuddy can resolve this for you guys.

amount is not important .reputation of BHW is important .generally people deffer BHW and DP for its rep.
hit any mods ASAP

I would have let him not refund indefinitely if he had simply communicated. Instead, first time I got short with him after days of not receiving the product and little comm - he calls me names and then just drops off the radar. Plus, I gave him about a week and several days even after writing this shit list report.

I'd like to say he "made good" finally. However, he proved everything I said and more. I said he was so irresponsible he wouldn't even know about this shit list lest I told him. I also said he was such a poor business person that he'd try to attack me or anything instead of properly defending his case. That's also exactly what he did.

Anyone can see he ripped me off, and the only thing I am guilty of is pursuing the guy with some vigor. Hey, I'll take that I did tell him a day before I filed it that he was now pissing me off for no good reason. That should be a lesson to scammers everywhere. Just like muggers. Someday you might scam on someone that hits back....

Originally Posted by captchaman

Also know that this is our last business interaction. The program that I spend 3 days coding and re-coding for you is working perfectly fine, but I'll probably end up selling it to someone else very cheap, feel free to buy the emails from them.

Also , for the record, I did NOT pay him for a program. Obviously, that would have been more money. We discussed it, but later he agreed to send me some mails and I was to pay him for them - which I did.

On a side note, the comment about "very cheap" really hacks me off as it does any reputable small business. So typical of the "scam" competition. All he has is a LOWER PRICE to STEAL business away from others with higher prices that actually deliver. Do what you will, but anyone that's run a business and has ethics knows these are the words of no goods! Why sell "very cheap" if the product is GOOD? "Very cheap" because it's not, and perhaps the person selling it neither.

Sorry, that's my opinion but it just ticks me off. These things I've seen many times before ...

Why is this going so long? Where is Bigbuddy? Zen19? 7878? Havent seen them here yet.


Madamdesire - Post a screenshot showing that you paid him and it isnt refunded yet.

Captchaman - Do you think posting a proof is going so low? If you shout that you paid him back, show us some proof or get your ass spanked.

Hey bro it's really not about defending any one person. It's just that USUALLY things aren't as cut and dry as any party makes them out to be.

I know he got pretty impatient with you but u didn't show us all of your communication from day one.

Honestly, If I do a service for someone that is only 15 - 20 dollars and next thing you know they are blowing up my email like they just bought the 24/7 consumer service package, and then they start giving me lip and attitude I will gladly refund their money and walk..

I guess thats where he screwed up. He should give u your money back and b done with u.

So, in one regard, I can see how its possible that you pushed him over the edge. I mean look at your posts on this board. You just won't quit. Post after post of the same thing, arguing with everyone.

Also, though like I said I would never allow customer to call me scammer because I will refund money and do job for free before I will have someone come trash me on these boards.

Really it is sellers fault. He has been here longer, he supposed to know the game, for only 15dollars it's better to refund than risk having someone come and call you a scammer.

Me personally I won't work with anyone called a scammer. It's just not worth it.

Also, based on your outrage and response I am to assume that as a result of this transaction going bad, you decide it's better to ruin his whole career right? If it was up to you this guy would never be able to feed himself again from any work online because your emails weren't up to par.

ALSO, did you try to reslove matter by reporting him to BHW other than putting a post with his name? See doing what you did is never winning battle. Now as almost everyone on this board has said most of us would just take the hit and keep going.

We don't know maybe he was having a bad weekend Maybe his dog got run over by a car and then right after that he sees your email and goes off. He has served the community well here so far so I would not be so quick to throw rocks in public.

Also you cannot win this way because now all he has to do is start thread "Never Work for MadamDesire she will take product, then complain of quality, demand money back, and call you a scammer in front of the whole community!"

Now guess what HE has over 500 thanks, a loong history here, and many people to vouch for him. So who is everyone going to believe?

As i said already to avoid this whole mess he SHOULD have given you your money back. But he didn't and you DID get product however inferior.

Sorry you feel you got screwed or scammed on BHW but from my point of view I don't think it's that cut and dry. As I said it's obvious from this thread that you can be a major pain.


And now after all I just see captcha man response. This is why it is better not to start thread like this in future. Peace.

Bee: In the meantime and as usual SCREW your "ideas". I didn't even post the shit list on him until I was completely fed up. Once more, he's not defending himself except to finally refund me and resort immediately to personal attacks. It's HIM that's made this thread go on so long. What's your point in attacking the buyer? OTHER THAN:

You are saying I should just "take it". Ehh, no. For the record, I've done that with more than a few on bhw and other forums. Sooner or later, you just get fed up with ripoffs. I don't have some long history of posting against multiple users on the shit list, so put a cork in your attacks on me. I'm so sick of this mentality around here.

This forum could be a LOT better without it. By "it" I mean scam cheerleaders and other assorted "Internet big shots" who mouth off to newbies and other users telling them to shut up and take it. Just because you're a "donator" doesn't mean you can belittle my claims and the rest of the forum along with it!

Originally Posted by beeHWfan

Now guess what HE has over 500 thanks, a loong history here, and many people to vouch for him. So who is everyone going to believe?

.

Good! Well maybe then he can come on here and EXPLAIN his actions without resorting to personal attacks, personal information disclosure, or OFF SUBJECT personal conversations. Maybe if captchaman is so damn good, he can simply defend complaints against him. I sure would!

In the meantime, he can APOLOGIZE and you can bugger off with your cheerleading nonsense.

I have been screwed About 600 Bucks from 2 guys, and one is from this guy who I skyped with, Should I post a shitlist to warn others? I don't want cheerleaders to attack me like this guy, I HAVE PRoof,Skype chats that are incriminating and if this guy has proof why take no action? what is this ?
I hope BHW does not go the same route was WSO or DP Lets Keep BHW the greatest Place mates,

Originally Posted by SilverSultan

I have been screwed About 600 Bucks from 2 guys, and one is from this guy who I skyped with, Should I post a shitlist to warn others? I don't want cheerleaders to attack me like this guy, I HAVE PRoof,Skype chats that are incriminating and if this guy has proof why take no action? what is this ?
I hope BHW does not go the same route was WSO or DP Lets Keep BHW the greatest Place mates,

Put it this way, it goes on a lot. Obviously, some of the mods and people are good. Some not I guess. Corruption. Same old story.

However, that's also a good point because I had some PM's out there for other services and now I'm not getting any reply. Bullies. At any rate, if someone is afraid of getting complaints then they are probably selling crap product or services anyway.

Personally, I think the mods should "moderate" the SCAM CHEERLEADING posts along with everyone else. Buyers filing shit lists should not be attacked unless it can be proved they are falsely complaining. Nitpicking whatever I say or my "attitude" isn't a reason to attack me or my complaint in order to defend some scammer.

Important side note. Not one thanks or rep I get for exposing this scam. That should tell everyone about some problems around here. The guy ripping people off is "well respected" , but the poor slugs paying him get nothing but a kick in the teeth. Reminds me of wall street and the banks :-/

seems clear enough to me

madamdesire payed 20$ for accounts
captchaman - sent them.

for what ever reason they didnt work.

captchaman should either replace the accounts with full working ones
or full refund. you cant part refund which is in itself admitting something
was wrong and keep half the payment.

how many people here if they bought a product any product that didnt
work who then ask for a refund and the seller gives only half back
thats a great way to earn money for nothing.

shit its 9/10$ captchaman just pay him and be done with it
makes u look bad. u cant beg for work in free lance
then expect not to refund if it goes wrong.

madamdesire - if he wont give it you send me your pp address
ille pay it.. 10$ is nothing.. but its everything for a reputation
that looks bad for not returning it.. if u owe it - pay it -
and be done with it.

For everyone that didn't see the paypal screenshot, I did refund the remaining $16.

didnt see any screen shot - does that mean its
all payed back ?

Originally Posted by captchaman

For everyone that didn't see the paypal screenshot, I did refund the remaining $16.

You sure did, so you could try to expose my personal information in some feeble attempt to distract everyone from this shit list report.

Now, your cheerleading brigade has arrived and at least temporarily made my name "shit" for being one of your victims! You suck

Originally Posted by proxygo

didnt see any screen shot - does that mean its
all payed back ?

I knew he'd refund, and attack me soon as I told him about the shit list report. Otherwise, he'd still have the money. I already called this early on.... Unlike captchaman, I've been doing business of many sorts for a long time.

madamdesire i just defended you
remember that.
point is now hes payed up block
each other and move on

@ madamdesire I don't think anyone believes that your name is "shit" because of this thread. If you think I was personally bashing you, I want to apologize for coming across that way because It was not my intention. Like I stated earlier, I don't know either of you. My point is that there is a way to go about things and yes you do need to take into account all involved parties social status, yours included. I think before someone posts up a shitlist they should get all their ducks in a row. Present any possible proof and contact a mod. Then, respectfully make your case to the community. Name calling, etc. makes us all look bad. We are not children here. This is business and should be treated as such. That being said I hope that you continue to feel welcomed here and continue to contribute and do business with the rest of the community. Please accept my apologies if I came across in a harsh manner. It's true, I can be a dick at times. I just like to get all the facts.