Hello,

I wanted to buy fanpages and posted in WTB (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...fan-pages.html )

So I get PM from http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ndertaker.html
TheUndertaker
aka coderroder (on skype).
aka Jaron (from the first PM --> Im Jaron im 38 years old got 2 childs and a wife. That’s the first line of the first PM)
aka Devona Fullen (on facebook complete with a sexy semi nude girl working with playboy. I am not sure if I should give the facebook address or not here)
and finally aka melissa groen / Email: melissa_groen@hotmail.com (from paypal id payment was sent to)

From the above list I really don’t know what’s real or what’s a fake and a alias. if there anything that seems personal and not in context i would request the mods to remove it.



So the TheUndertaker / Jaron shows me the fan page on BHW PM and I agree to to buy it after simple test.

EDITED CHAT TRANSCRIPT
i'll give the details with chat transcripts (mods can get access to my PM to verify plus i am willing to open give team viewer access to show the full chat transcript to the mods here)

[7/14/2011 6:03 PM] ME: add me as friend
[7/14/2011 6:16 PM] ME: and send me your paypal id as soon as you make me admin
[7/14/2011 6:18 PM] coderroder: k
[7/14/2011 6:30 PM] coderroder: lol no you are the one that is going first
[7/14/2011 6:40 PM] coderroder: like i said in the pms
[7/14/2011 6:52 PM] ME: send me you paypal
NOTE:- Nothing like this was discussed in PM (mods admin can check my PM ). But sending the payment first seemed reasonable so I sent it)
[7/14/2011 6:05 PM] coderroder: melissa_groen@hotmail.com
[7/14/2011 6:10 PM] coderroder: thats my personal paypal account
[7/14/2011 6:41 PM] coderroder: k
[7/14/2011 6:37:00 PM] ME: XXXXXXX, you have sent $300.00 USD to melissa groen.
[7/14/2011 6:37:43 PM] ME: still waiting for friend request
[7/14/2011 6:37:45 PM] coderroder: ok hold on gonna check that , can you give me your name on facebook that would be easier to add..

Finally got friend request but no admin to the page.
Then the next things comes up…

[7/14/2011 6:43:50 PM] ME: waiting for admin rights...
[7/14/2011 6:43:54 PM] coderroder: First we need to wait some hours because i dont want to get my paypal limited as i told you on my pms.

he/she/whatever didnt mentin anything like this in PM. verifiable fact.

[7/14/2011 6:30 PM] ME: sorry dude
[7/14/2011 6:32 PM] ME: no go
[7/14/2011 6:42 PM] coderroder: i dont want to get my paypal limited ?
[7/14/2011 6:44 PM] coderroder: and im a girl not a dude
[7/14/2011 6:57 PM] : yes of course sorry
[7/14/2011 6:08 PM] coderroder: i did get a other time
[7/14/2011 6:09 PM] coderroder: 300$ then my paypal account
[7/14/2011 6:15 PM] coderroder: was limited in a hour
[7/14/2011 6:21 PM] coderroder: thats why i want to wait some mins
[7/14/2011 6:27 PM] coderroder: to be sure that i keep it
[7/14/2011 6:37 PM] coderroder: because otherwise i make you admin and then my money is gone
[7/14/2011 6:46:10 PM] ME: i have beena long time member of BHW and am not gonna run with 300 bucks
[7/14/2011 6:46:23 PM] ME: the membership there as a donor is worht much more
[7/14/2011 6:46:38 PM] ME: scamming gets you banned
[7/14/2011 6:46:44 PM] coderroder: me also , and i know i believe you but i just want to sure that im keeping the money beacuse paypal is beging a pain in the ass for me

OK.. so I sent the payment. Then I am told wait for a few hours (finally comes to a few minutes and then 1 minute) to see if Paypal limits the account or not. Now why should I be waiting to see if his/her accounts get limited? And I said as much. I sent the payment to paypal address you requested me to. I refused to wait and asked to be made admin else I shall raise a dispute. When ultimately after waiting for over 20 minutes i saw nothing happening I opened a dispute saying you have seen the money now you make me admin and I’ll close the dispute.

[7/14/2011 7:03:41 PM] ME: make me admin and i'll close dispute
[7/14/2011 7:03:53 PM] coderroder: close dispute and i will make you admin..
[7/14/2011 7:03:55 PM] ME: just as fast as i sent you the money
[7/14/2011 7:04:32 PM] ME: no issues i'll keep the money
[7/14/2011 7:04:32 PM] coderroder: how u mean
[7/14/2011 7:04:57 PM] ME: i mean as soon as i see i am admin i close the dispute you haveseen i can send the money
[7/14/2011 7:04 PM] ME: now i need to see you can
[7/14/2011 7:22 PM] ME: and i'll close the dispute just as fast as i sent you the money
[7/14/2011 7:48 PM] ME: in fact i have my finger on the close dispute button
[7/14/2011 7:57 PM] coderroder: close the dispute and i will make you admin...
[7/14/2011 7:14 PM] coderroder: i promise..
[7/14/2011 7:18 PM] ME: thanks friend it was nice dong business with you
[7/14/2011 7:28 PM] ME: i dont have more time to waste on this
[7/14/2011 7:30 PM] ME: bets of luck
[7/14/2011 7:33 PM] coderroder: u want the fanpage or not ?
[7/14/2011 7:34 PM] ME: best*
[7/14/2011 7:38 PM] coderroder: its not wasting time
[7/14/2011 7:41 PM] coderroder: i will make you admin
[7/14/2011 7:43 PM] coderroder: if you close it..
[7/14/2011 7:46 PM] ME: nope not the way you are going about things
[7/14/2011 7:13 PM] coderroder: i did wait some mins now , and now i wanted u to make u admin and then you did close it..
[7/14/2011 7:35 PM] ME: ok let me trust you one more time
[7/14/2011 7:45 PM] ME: but not with closing the diput
[7/14/2011 7:45 PM] ME: e
[7/14/2011 7:53 PM] ME: you have seen the money right
[7/14/2011 7:24 PM] ME: you have seen my BHW account and other fan pages i bought right?
[7/14/2011 7:42 PM] ME: so now its your choice
[7/14/2011 7:46 PM] ME: take it or leave it
[7/14/2011 7:36 PM] coderroder: not at all because i didnt even login lol, and no i didnt see other fanpages you did bought
[7/14/2011 7:36 PM] ME: thanks for your time i am really interested thats why i sent you the money... but i dont like the way this going so i'll keep my money
[7/14/2011 7:48 PM] ME: i am sure you'll find other buyers
[7/14/2011 7:06 PM] ME: sorry i wasted your time and mine
[7/14/2011 7:55 PM] coderroder: you were not interested otherwise you will wait.., like i promise if you close the dispute then i make you admin i have the mouse button on it... , if i dont make you admin in 1 min then you can open a dispute again and you can leave me i promise you..
[7/14/2011 7:56 PM] coderroder: on my hart
[7/14/2011 7:28 PM] ME: paypal does not allow you to open disputes once you close it my friend
[7/14/2011 7:14:30 PM] coderroder: yes they do just open a new one , i did it before its no problem lol, i promise i will make you admin in 1 min
[7/14/2011 7:43 PM] coderroder: please.. i promise you..
[7/14/2011 7:22 PM] ME: lets not waste more time ... i really am not up to it
[7/14/2011 7:59 PM] coderroder: i promise with in 1 min , i will make you admin , and then with the other 1 mil page im going first so i make you admin first and then you can buy it cheap
[7/14/2011 7:54 PM] coderroder: i promise..
[7/14/2011 7:11 PM] ME: so do i... if my word counts for anything
[7/14/2011 7:27 PM] ME: i close te dispute as soon i am admin ...
[7/14/2011 7:34 PM] coderroder: you did send me it already deal = first money then i will make you admin and i was a bit worryd about my account that can get limited but now i saw it cant because i have a verifyd paypal account that is real, if you close the dispute then i will make you admin in 1min if i dont then you can dispute it again , i want to sell to you more fanpages and by the seccond i will give you first admin rights i promise... please darling
[7/14/2011 7:37:32 PM] coderroder: ?

Well, I had wasted my time and money and told her to sleep over it and that I am going home. I’ll see her in the morning.

So the next day….

[7/15/2011 9:57:18 AM] ME: good morning
[7/15/2011 9:58:32 AM] ME: please hit the refund buyer button in paypal for me... will you?
[7/15/2011 3:39:44 PM] coderroder: good morning , please hit te dispute button and i will give you the page
[7/15/2011 3:46:49 PM] ME: i dont want the page any more
[7/15/2011 3:46:53 PM] ME: you can keep it
[7/15/2011 3:47:29 PM] coderroder: i still want to sell it so
[7/15/2011 3:47:45 PM] ME: find someone else
[7/15/2011 3:48:10 PM] ME: to sell it to
[7/15/2011 3:48:26 PM] coderroder: nah
[7/15/2011 3:49:17 PM] ME: well anyways, hit the refund button before i file a charge back with my CC company
[7/15/2011 3:49:47 PM] coderroder: why dont you want the fanpage anymore while i want to give it to you ?
[7/15/2011 3:50:29 PM] ME: i dont like you or the way you deal
[7/15/2011 3:51:01 PM] ME: nothing personal ...
[7/15/2011 3:51:09 PM] coderroder: i just deal normal
[7/15/2011 3:51:13 PM] coderroder: its you
[7/15/2011 3:51:15 PM] coderroder: that does strange
[7/15/2011 3:51:47 PM] ME: thank you for reminding me ...
[7/15/2011 3:52:44 PM] coderroder: np
[7/15/2011 3:52:48 PM] coderroder: you were buying
[7/15/2011 3:52:50 PM] coderroder: sending me the money
[7/15/2011 3:52:52 PM] coderroder: waited about 5 min
[7/15/2011 3:52:52 PM] coderroder: i want to send you the fanpage
[7/15/2011 3:52:54 PM] coderroder: realy strange
[7/15/2011 3:52:55 PM] coderroder: dispute..
[7/15/2011 3:53:02 PM] ME: yes!
[7/15/2011 3:53:31 PM] ME: inded strange... my bad
[7/15/2011 3:53:46 PM] ME: now hit the refund button pls
[7/15/2011 3:53:55 PM] ME: and close the dispute
[7/15/2011 3:54:31 PM] coderroder: yesi its strange
[7/15/2011 3:56:41 PM] ME: you know i'll get the money back ...
so you can make this easy ... a chance for us to maybe talk further or you can make it harder
[7/15/2011 3:57:07 PM] ME: either ways, i get my money... your choice
[7/15/2011 3:57:56 PM] coderroder: its your change to buy it or not lol you were about to buy it
[7/15/2011 3:57:56 PM] coderroder: and then you are the one that is doing strange
[7/15/2011 3:58:21 PM] ME: forget it ... i guess its the hard way ...
[7/15/2011 3:58:26 PM] ME: have a nice day

I posted the skype conversation we had yesterday (sunday) on (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ember-bhw.html)

it goes soemthing like...

[7:15] HER: i will full a scamming report with my friends
[7:15] HER: lol
[7:15] HER: take care monday
[7:15] HER: whats gonna happen
[7:16] HER: are they gonna shoot me
[7:16] HER: hahahahahahahah
[7:16] HER: nerd
[7:16] HER: go fuck off retard that tryd to scamm me

So after everything is said and done he/she doesn’t respond to the paypal ticket or given a refund (and it has now been 4 days including today)

If any further clarification is needed i am around. waiting for the powers that be to take some action.

damn dude I hope u get your money and that scumbag bitch gets what she deserves!

good luck!

i'll get the money back... one way or another... other people here should not fall for this.

Yea another member here called Saud128 said he was buying huge fanpages from a kid who was only 7-8 years old or something like that. I contacted him to see if there were more fanpages and he responded with this guy's skype. I asked if he was a kid and he went on to talk about his kids and how he is 38.

Long story short, we ended up blocking each other. It smelled like scam when he insisted to me that he could get $1000 for his page, but will sell it to me for $50.

This guy needs to be dealt with

WOW! the cats out of the bag...

should i post the sexy looking facebook profile page too from which he/she/it/whatever made a friend? i really dont want anyone else scammed.

just that he/she/it (LOL i really dont know how to address this person) can come back with a another name to scam more people. if i had known about your case too... i would have posted this much before... i just thought i'd cut this person some slack by not posting before. (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ember-bhw.html)

here is another part i didnt post but mentioned in my other thread...


[7/14/2011 628 PM] ME: the stats you sent me and this seems different?
[7/14/2011 636 PM] ME: 632.250 USA
314.241 UK
41.362 Germany
[7/14/2011 638 PM] coderroder: yes it was from a other fanpage
[7/14/2011 638 PM] coderroder: -.-
[7/14/2011 657 PM] coderroder: it was from a smaller one
[7/14/2011 6:25:18 PM] ME: dude i mean no offence but are you serious about selling the pages?
[7/14/2011 6:25:30 PM] ME: you dont stats for one page and show the other
[7/14/2011 6:25:34 PM] coderroder: Yes im serious otherwise i wont take screenshots
[7/14/2011 6:25:36 PM] coderroder: and post things for you
[7/14/2011 6:25:53 PM] coderroder: it was the wrong one like i said sorry

Did you get his IP?

from skype? i dont think spype shows any IP. if it does i would love to know how. I wanna nail this one HARD!

i think Mods/admins here can help with the IP if they want. I do my damn best to see this person gets what he/she deserves.

Originally Posted by bookmarc

from skype? i dont think spype shows any IP. if it does i would love to know how. I wanna nail this one HARD!

Yep, Skype transfers the chats via supernodes as far as i know. So you never connected directly.

But mail headers can reveal the IP if he uses outlook,etc. Or you can send him a link to a hidden file on your server. Once he clicks the IP is yours.

Originally Posted by lancis

Yep, Skype transfers the chats via supernodes as far as i know. So you never connected directly.

But mail headers can reveal the IP if he uses outlook,etc. Or you can send him a link to a hidden file on your server. Once he clicks the IP is yours.

good one... let's see if this works. getting this ip.

I just hate this attitude of amatuer sellers. No offence to women, but i heard it in some movie "Rule No 1: Dont Pitch the Bitch"

@OP: feeling sorry 4 u dude... shit happens..hope u get your money soon.

close the dispute - whos going to
fall the that old trick

Bro u did want to buy the fanpages.
Second u gived the money i wanted to give ur the fanpages
U did full in a dispute..
It was stil the change you could get the fanapges
You were trying to scam me by saying give me the fanpage then i will send the money.

Second my wife is devona fullen.
3th i live in germany munchen and im using proxy to the internet so if you want my ip i can give it to you straight if you want it you can came to my house etc no problem.

4th i cant acces my paypal account.
Its blocked , so i cant full in a dispute first time i didnt want it either.
But yesterday i did want so i unblocked you but i was banned on paypal.

Thats not my fault but paypals fault.

welcome lets start with
so what do i call you?

TheUndertaker / coderroder / Jaron / Devona Fullen/ melissa groen

damn i just had a custom script written to get your IP. my bad luck again.

but if anyone else can use it... here is the code... it will catch the urers IP and and redirect him whereever you want. the IP will be sent to the email you want.

Code:

<?php

$url= "http://".$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST']."/";
$headerinfo=get_headers($url);

$info="";
foreach ($headerinfo as $key => $val) {
    $info .="<p>".$val."</p>";
}
$info .="<p>"."IP Address: ".$_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"]."</p>";

$info .="<p>"."Browser Info: ".$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']."</p>";

// add your email here where you want to send the ip
$to      = "YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS --> some@somrhdfvdsit.com";  
// add your email end


$subject = "header Information";
$message = $info;
$headers = "From: GET IP <sendemail@anyone-that-cares.com>"."\n"."MIME-Version:1.0"."\r\n"."Content-type:text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"."\r\n"."X-Priority: 3"."\n"."X-MSMail-Priority: Normal"."\n"."X-Mailer: GET IP"."\n"."X-MimeOLE: Produced By GET IP";

mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers);

header('Location: PUT YOUR URL HERE');

?>

Originally Posted by theundertaker

Bro u did want to buy the fanpages.
Second u gived the money i wanted to give ur the fanpages
U did full in a dispute..
It was stil the change you could get the fanapges
You were trying to scam me by saying give me the fanpage then i will send the money.

Second my wife is devona fullen.
3th i live in germany munchen and im using proxy to the internet so if you want my ip i can give it to you straight if you want it you can came to my house etc no problem.

4th i cant acces my paypal account.
Its blocked , so i cant full in a dispute first time i didnt want it either.
But yesterday i did want so i unblocked you but i was banned on paypal.

Thats not my fault but paypals fault.

i quote from our skype conversation -- EDITED to keep only needed parts


[7/14/2011 6:42:35 PM] ME: you sure do have a sexy picture LOL is that yours?
[7/14/2011 6:42:59 PM] coderroder: yes thats me
[7/14/2011 6:43:54 PM] coderroder: First we need to wait some hours because i dont want to get my paypal limited as i told you on my pms.
[7/14/2011 630 PM] ME: sorry dude
[7/14/2011 632 PM] ME: no go
[7/14/2011 642 PM] coderroder: i dont want to get my paypal limited ?
[7/14/2011 644 PM] coderroder: and im a girl not a dude
[7/14/2011 657 PM] ME: yes of course sorry


second... i dont want you to tell me if i wanted to buy the pages or not. but thank you for the information.

thirdly i would love to have your IP addres if you care to give it. the right one pls.

what exactly is wrong with your paypal.Blocked/banned? since bookmarc has posted lot of details about your conversation you should post some kind of proof to convince everyone that your PP is blocked/banned or you are not able to hit the refund button!

OP,i hope you get the money back(easy way or hard way) or you get to buy the fanpage from this guy

Check your pm for my ip Call me how ever you want i dont care.Like i saidYou did need to wait some mins/hours i told you in the pms.You did agree with it.I was about to give the fanpageAnd then u filled a dispute Not my fault again.And i dont look anymore here thanks.

lol what a dush!

bookmarc let us know what happens!

Originally Posted by theundertaker

Check your pm for my ip Call me how ever you want i dont care.Like i saidYou did need to wait some mins/hours i told you in the pms.You did agree with it.I was about to give the fanpageAnd then u filled a dispute Not my fault again.And i dont look anymore here thanks.

can you forward me the PM also where you said that? i would love to see it... yes! you probably wont look here again because it is "BHW Kiddy" play ground... and no the guys here are going to shoot you or anything that bad... we are just go on playing.


[7:14] me: good... we will then discuss this on BHW
[7:14] me: have a niec one
[7:14] HER: i dont care about bhw
[7:14] HER: lol
[7:15] HER: bhw is your life i think
[7:15] HER: haha
[7:15] HER: i dont even login anymore on it
[7:15] HER: i did sell my account
[7:15] HER: and gave it away
[7:15] HER: its stupid
[7:15] me: good for you
[7:15] HER: bhw kiddy
[7:15] HER: whats gonna happen
[7:16] HER: are they gonna shoot me

also i am wondering just in case you care to share who did you fool into taking your pages and at what price? i know just a "BHW kiddy" question but i am really curious.

latest skype message ... coming LIVE...


[642 PM] Melissa Groen: hi
[644 PM] Melissa Groen: u want my ip?
[646 PM] Melissa Groen: here it is : 79.***.***.155
[652 PM] Melissa Groen: come over to germany at my house
[6:03:04 PM] Melissa Groen: i will knock you down on the camp

ban ban ban just for
being a moron

full of evidence, bookmarc has all the right to get the money back. The other must be punished one way or another.

LOL...theundertaker or whatever you name is... you made my day...
i cant stop laughing.... you cant decide whether you are a he or a she???
read the transcript for yourself!!

bookmarc: keep us updated....

he/she/whatever decided to block me from skype. no more updates.

Originally Posted by bookmarc

he/she/whatever decided to block me from skype. no more updates.

Hope you get this sorted and the retard needs banning from BHW.

LOL.. the best part was the FB account... that's some playboy bimbo on the pic, I'd take the address of Germany if I was there..payment in kind

Sorry to hear your tale OP... another Bann.. it's getting pretty nasty out here

- i will full a scamming report with my friends
- U did full in a dispute..
- Second my wife is devona fullen.
- Its blocked , so i cant full in a dispute...

Do you sense a fetish here? Or it only me who thinks that guy is so full of... :-)

Originally Posted by ssri06

LOL...theundertaker or whatever you name is... you made my day...
i cant stop laughing.... you cant decide whether you are a he or a she???
read the transcript for yourself!!

bookmarc: keep us updated....

Originally Posted by seoguru13

LOL.. the best part was the FB account... that's some playboy bimbo on the pic, I'd take the address of Germany if I was there..payment in kind

Sorry to hear your tale OP... another Bann.. it's getting pretty nasty out here

Originally Posted by lancis

- i will full a scamming report with my friends
- U did full in a dispute..
- Second my wife is devona fullen.
- Its blocked , so i cant full in a dispute...

Do you sense a fetish here? Or it only me who thinks that guy is so full of... :-)

LOL...
at least some one can find some humor in this crap.
such is life... march on.

I am sorry for your loss if you didnt get back.. but he LOOKS like the SAME guy who scammed me, when he takes money he doesn't reply properly, he took $150 half first and then was insisting for more.. he is a looser....

Thought he was talkin bout the wrestler Undertaker WWE

i got my money back today... gonna loose some money on conversion.

but i dont see any action has been taken against this guy?

Nice on getting the money back, sad that people are so desperate these days. I believe in karma though, so they'll get it one day.

TheUndertaker has been permanently banned from BHW.

thanks... am wondering what new name the guy has come back with

Now what about your money? Glad he is banned.

Meh, we need someone to go down to his house with a videocamera and expose him. See if hes still so big and scary.

Should build up a list of adresses/real names/photographs of people that scam and publically put them up on the net.

I'm 95% certain Theundertaker is a guy located in India, just some of his word choices sound indian to me.


also LOL at this:

[7/14/2011 7:55 PM] coderroder: you were not interested otherwise you will wait.., like i promise if you close the dispute then i make you admin i have the mouse button on it... , if i dont make you admin in 1 min then you can open a dispute again and you can leave me i promise you..

[7/14/2011 7:56 PM] coderroder: on my hart