So I started selling wholesale replicas football shirts on Egay starting the beginning of June, I had 250 positive feedback. We started off selling slowly until we were listing 16 shirts a day, but all this was on ebay germany.

Because he lives in Thailand, the shirts would take at least 2 weeks to arrive. This was covered in the auction listing that it could take 15-20 working days for delivery. Very clever on his behalf actually because we sold a lot of shirts, yet no one had received anything. I was paying 20-25 euros per shirt.

So the first batch arrives, I send them to germany and then things start to go wrong. I started getting bad feedback, and people accusing me of selling fakes. People asking for there money back. But by then I had sold 280 or so shirts. So I was commited to receiving the shirts, and posting them.

More and more people started complaining, and demanding there money back, telling me they were going to the police, sending there shirts to the respective football clubs etc. So I told Wholesale Replica, I wanted to stop anymore listing until I sorted out the unhappy customers, the returns etc.

Then things turned for the worse about 4 days ago, when ebay closed my account, and limited my paypl. They said they had many complaining customers, and that i had to do this and that to try and reinstate it, but i knew it was fruitless, because of all the neg messages i was getting.

So where am I at now? Well Ive got 3 parcels of these shirts about 16 in each parcel, ive got about 25 returns so far. I cant post the shirts to the customers, because ebay has closed me down. And offcourse all these buyers have seen my account is closed and they have all filed a dispute with paypal.

Im actually frightened to look on paypal, but the last time i looked it was -3k euros. This is money i dont have that egay/paypal wants. Ive allready paid out hundreds in refunds and I expect more disputes to come in. So Ive told Wholesale replica my situation, and I asked if he could maybe take the 3 parcels and the returns back of me for the price i paid for thm on the little cahnce I could recoup my money and try and pay some of these customers back, unfortunatly he has not responded, so I had to make this thread.

I know he is selling these shirts to a lot of people especially on this forum, so I just wanted people to know how its going to end up. Im a trustful person, and honest guy, I was just trying to get some quick money together for a holiday for my family, now Im in big debt. I never thought it would end like this.

Ok people might flame me for even trying this, but he seemd a genuine guy also, I checked his rep here etc. Im sure i wont see any money, but I just wanted to post here to try and stop him ruining someone elses ebay and life. i would really appreciate if ray would respond in here, and help me sort out this mess, and I dont think he will.

I also ask other members here if they know of any other forums he is a member trying to sell these shirts, so that I can join and warn other people. I dont want anyone else to go through what I am right now.
Total hell
Thanks

Wholesalereplica, i said i would let you try and sort something out but you did'nt even have the decency to get back in touch.

Here's my story

Things started going wrong not long after i joined up and was still very naive to all the abundant riches that people offer...
Wholesalereplica contacted me through PM and said he had products available. Before long and (yes i know i was stupid) i agreed to list some things for him which he set up through teamviewer. At the time i knew nothing about the replica game so seen no real danger in doing the listings. A week later i had my first ever Ebay violation for listing some designer coats for him, plus some negative feedback. I was reassured everything would be fine and that he would make me some big money soon and i just got hooked like a fish. I then listed 2 x fashion joblots which both inc designer Coats and a scarves. They sold and i thought everything was fine but then on delivery the customers contacted me and asked for a refund, which had to come out of my own pocket as Wholesalereplica wouldnt help me out. This put me hundreds out of pocket and i told him i wanted compensating, he said he would sort something out soon.So some time passed in which no monies ever showed up but then i got an email saying that he had these amazing Champions league final shirts and that i would more than make my money back and i stupidly against my better judgement agreed as i needed to recoup some of this money. I was doing loads of 24hr auctions a day and it was a pretty crazy time for me and i must have made him a a very tidy profit. I never let him down with the payments and sent everything owed on time. Before long i had a huge back log of orders and still no shirts had arrived so i was getting pretty worried and thought id better stop listing. Then when the shirts finally started to arrive after id sold god knows how many i noticed that they where the total wrong design from what the teams would be wearing in the final! Basically i lost out big time again, it was refund after refund and i lost any money i had made and then had to find even more to cover the nnow daily refunds. The best bit was that my final orders didnt even arrive until a couple of weeks ago and the final was on the 28th MAY. During this process i also ordered 2 Gucci watches from him for myself and my nephew for which i paid him £216. Over a month later i had not heard or received anything from him regarding my late shirt orders(didnt matter by then anyway as they had already cancelled) or the watches. Then a few weeks ago i got a mail saying that my last shirts where on the way.... and that his watch supplier had not got back to him about my order. Instead of refunding my money for this he said he had sent me 10 more of his f***ing shirts as this would more than cover the cost of my watch order even though i told him i really needed my money back now. I had no choice but to list the shirts to try and claw some money back. I worked the auctions around the delivery date he had promised in the email but guess what they didnt turn up till nearly two weeks later than promised, some orders had cancelled by then and im glad they did because when the shirts finally did arrive, i opened one up to check as i would anything else and ended up having to trim material off them with a pair of scissors just to try and tidy them up as the quality was shocking. I rushed all the orders out as i was comitted to selling by now but they started coming back just as fast. My top rated powerseller Ebay account has gone to s**t,my paypal has been limited,i have people threatening all sorts of legal action and the Police . He also posted a link to my Ebay account on his thread on the forum so people could see they where selling without asking, he just failed to mention they all come back just as fast and my head is in bits with it all. I said i would give him chance to rectify things between us before i shitlist him but all he ever offered was that he might be able to ship some of the crappy shirts to someone else when they come back. Thats not fair on whoever receives them and i dont think he should be able to trade like this anymore, hes just taking advantage of us noobs and our accounts that have taken a long time to build up. Im so p****d off i dont know what to do next.

Flame away as i know how dumb ive been but ive lost so much money because of this guy, i just need to try and get some back but i know there is little chance of that. If nothing else i cant let him do this to anyone else.

OP, i know just how you feel mate and yes he does seem a genuine guy but he cant get away with all this s**t.

SD

Sorry about your losses. But come on guys, are you allergic to paragraphs?? It is so damn hard to read and comprehend what's going on in both posts. Make a paragraph! it should not be so hard to press "enter" once in a while.

According to shit list rules, you should post proof first to accuse a BHW member here. Anything you have such as screenshots of emails, chat logs, pms, ebay listings, screenshots of ebay complaints etc. Post them on here first, then pm Big Buddy. He does a great job in tracking down and punishing low life scammers.

Im sorry, i copied and pasted it and somehow it turned out like that.
I will re-post it all if need be.

Mods have been notified.

Already Received a complaint from another member , thats why wholesalereplica's thread was closed.

waiting for his reply...

@sonobby1

to say I never got back in touch is stretching it a bit, I replied to your message

However you cannot pile all the blame on me, frankly you must take your share to

When you contacted me a week ago you never told me there were big problems, you had 82 positive feedbacks, 2 negative, one because you forgot to ship a shirt and the other was for late delivery, the last one could have been rectified.

Within the week where you made no contact I am guessing that is when the issues arrived, why did you not contact me then when it could have been sorted, rather than the message I got of "I'm fucked lol" which hardly gave me any real details.

With the 3 boxes that you have you say you cannot ship them as you do not have the customers details, well you do as they are in paypal which you say you have access too. You say that they will all return them but what of the 82 positive feedbacks where customers were happy- also remember that only about 60% of people leave feedback now so the number of happy customers is a far higher number. So not to ship the 3 boxes that you have is pretty stupid as those customer will of course ask for a refund. By not shipping the shirts you are only compounding the issues.

I told you that any returns you had I would sort, again I have never been given a list of what those returns are.

I have the full logs of all our conversations and I am happy to share them with any mod etc that may want them

When we had daily conversations any issues that arose were fixed, when you decided not to share any issues with me then everything went tits up. If I am held responsible for your decisions then so be it.

@spdn2010

again I have every email that we have ever communicated with, more than happy to show that you were very willing to participate in everything at no point did I ever force your hand.

re the 2011 final shirts you are painting a rather biased picture. When they were first done they were the same as the last 3 finals, you sold nearly 100 units across a couple of accounts and had about 70+ feedbacks, you now according to your numbers have 5 shirts with you

to say that you made a loss I find very hard to believe, based on the sales prices which can be checked at goofbay.com against your ebay id and based on your buying price after ebay fees and paypal fees it shows a healthy profit of over 1500 gbp on the 2 accounts. As I say in your last email you said you had 5 shirts left from the final, so if you had a shit load of refunds where are the shirts.

so rather than state you have lost hundreds please clarify it with actual facts that can be quantified. For the comments re shitty shirts you were the one that sent a glowing email on the quality, plus if you read your feedbacks your customers were pretty happy to

you happily sold something and now you see some issues you blame me as the supplier

Everything that everyone has ever bought from me on here has been shipped with the exception of the 2 watches that I bought from a chinese supplier of mine that were never shipped, so to make good more stock was shipped that spdn2010 sent an email to me saying that was fine

I know how many Champions League shirts i sold and yes they sold well at first, that was until people realised they where a totally different design to the originals.

Ive had refunds on them right up until a few weeks ago. I recevied some pos feedback yes but im sure alot of them would change it now if they could.

I also had to partial refund or tell them to keep the shirt and issue a full refund in order to get a pos.

As for the watches, i asked for my money back on them for absolutely ages and you cant say any different but then you just bypassed the refund and send me an email saying that you have decided to send me some shirts in place of my money. What else could i do? as you said they had already been shipped. Is that not correct?

Above all, the quality is absolutely s**t mate, nearly everyone can spot them a mile off as they dont even replicate the original shirt in most cases. Then we have your delivery times and orders which are garbage.
When i was selling the champions league i was waiting ages for them to arrive and then when they finally did the order was TOTALLY WRONG! with about 20 shirts being XL instead of Mediums which messed things up even more for me.
Your response to the wrong order was '' oh its them bloody Thai's again'' what use was that to me with a ton of orders to send out and the wrong shirts.
My final order only arrived just over a week ago and the final was on the 28th of May! It wa too late then anyway as everyone had already cancelled.
Plus your shirts cost almost as much as the original in most cases.

True, you certainly DID NOT force my hand to do anything and i take full responsibillity for my actions, i just wish you would.

Come on, as if you would have got me to list some of that stuff you did without knowing i was a total noob and just seen a nice opportunity to make some cash off of me(which you did).

High end designer watches/ designer coats/scarves. I still stuck with some of it after it got returned, even though you have been teling me for months you would get rid of it for me.

With regards to Champions League final shirts returns and you saying i only have 5 left(there where more i assure you), i have been getting rid of them offline cheap as chips to try and recoup some of the money i lost.

Nobody really wants them as they are not the shirt that was worn in the final so ive almost been giving them away.

What did you want me to do? let you offer me some more shirts as a refund like you usually do?

Lets take them german shirts for example: i paid you in good faith £216 for the watches that i never received and you send me 10 shirts as a refund?
Now i know you get them cheap as chips anyway(certainly making more than the $4 a shirt or whatever you told me you make) so how does that add up? I'll tell you, nowhere near £216 and i didnt want the shirts but you just sent them to me anyway (nearly 2 weeks later than you said you had).
Oh i nearly forgot that you even managed to get the shirts in that order wrong too and i had to pay another £32 in customs duty on the parcel! which i think you should have paid anyway.

You just get people to list them in big volumes for you so you make some fast cash off them (im alright Jack) then you dont seem to give a f**k what happens next Re: when the shit hits the fan.

You dont respond to emails unless its of benefit you.

You just can't carry on doing this to people, its not fair. Like myself and the guy above, his accounts have gone, mine are screwed up and on the way out and im sure there are plenty more out there but your no help whatsoever so long as your £££ stack keeps growing.

Im just glad i never invested in any other of your money making schemes/ JV's that you offered as im sure id be out of pocket even more than i am.
SD

Also I think football shirts are VERO items - so its best to stay away from this type of products as eBay will come down HARD a lot of the time without any reason, they pull listings for simply suspecting fake items. You did well to be able to sell that amount of shirts without ebay getting involved prior.

Originally Posted by sdpn2010

I know how many Champions League shirts i sold and yes they sold well at first, that was until people realised they where a totally different design to the originals.

Ive had refunds on them right up until a few weeks ago. I recevied some pos feedback yes but im sure alot of them would change it now if they could.

I also had to partial refund or tell them to keep the shirt and issue a full refund in order to get a pos.

As for the watches, i asked for my money back on them for absolutely ages and you cant say any different but then you just bypassed the refund and send me an email saying that you have decided to send me some shirts in place of my money. What else could i do? as you said they had already been shipped. Is that not correct?

Above all, the quality is absolutely s**t mate, nearly everyone can spot them a mile off as they dont even replicate the original shirt in most cases. Then we have your delivery times and orders which are garbage.
When i was selling the champions league i was waiting ages for them to arrive and then when they finally did the order was TOTALLY WRONG! with about 20 shirts being XL instead of Mediums which messed things up even more for me.
Your response to the wrong order was '' oh its them bloody Thai's again'' what use was that to me with a ton of orders to send out and the wrong shirts.
My final order only arrived just over a week ago and the final was on the 28th of May! It wa too late then anyway as everyone had already cancelled.
Plus your shirts cost almost as much as the original in most cases.

True, you certainly DID NOT force my hand to do anything and i take full responsibillity for my actions, i just wish you would.

Come on, as if you would have got me to list some of that stuff you did without knowing i was a total noob and just seen a nice opportunity to make some cash off of me(which you did).

High end designer watches/ designer coats/scarves. I still stuck with some of it after it got returned, even though you have been teling me for months you would get rid of it for me.

With regards to Champions League final shirts returns and you saying i only have 5 left(there where more i assure you), i have been getting rid of them offline cheap as chips to try and recoup some of the money i lost.

Nobody really wants them as they are not the shirt that was worn in the final so ive almost been giving them away.

What did you want me to do? let you offer me some more shirts as a refund like you usually do?

Lets take them german shirts for example: i paid you in good faith £216 for the watches that i never received and you send me 10 shirts as a refund?
Now i know you get them cheap as chips anyway(certainly making more than the $4 a shirt or whatever you told me you make) so how does that add up? I'll tell you, nowhere near £216 and i didnt want the shirts but you just sent them to me anyway (nearly 2 weeks later than you said you had).
Oh i nearly forgot that you even managed to get the shirts in that order wrong too and i had to pay another £32 in customs duty on the parcel! which i think you should have paid anyway.

You just get people to list them in big volumes for you so you make some fast cash off them (im alright Jack) then you dont seem to give a f**k what happens next Re: when the shit hits the fan.

You dont respond to emails unless its of benefit you.

You just can't carry on doing this to people, its not fair. Like myself and the guy above, his accounts have gone, mine are screwed up and on the way out and im sure there are plenty more out there but your no help whatsoever so long as your £££ stack keeps growing.

Im just glad i never invested in any other of your money making schemes/ JV's that you offered as im sure id be out of pocket even more than i am.
SD

state the figures of exactly what you know you have lost, then it can be dealt with.

Also to state the shirt quality is totally s**t, why then did 70 or so people leave positive feedback

I do not understand that

this is funny cause here in America no one gives a s**t about fake stuff. you could have made a killing by selling them here xD people here just wear cloths, and for fakes ones they don care, lol you Europeans are very sassy to check if it is real lol funny world funny world, Also for Whoresale dude if you gonna sell fake stuff at least make the patterns and names right, it is Rolex not Roolex XD calm on dude, make then Thai's get a dictionary or google the words and pictures lol

errrm I beg to disagree, I don't think you know what you're talking about - check the Immigration and Customs Enforcement website, it is full of stories of people locked up for selling fake baseball or footbal merchandise. The difference is that in Europe you will end up with closed P/\ypal and 3bay account, if US you will get 4 years for every count of mail fraud - you send 100 fake t-shirts and then get a cheap lawyer and you'll end up doing 400 years in the can :-)

sample story: a guy who had two strikes already faces 25 years to life in federal prison if convicted for selling fake Disney pins:

www(dot)ice(dot)gov/news/releases/1105/110512fullerton.htm

no dude you really think the Feds will arrest people who sell a few fakes stuff that is if they get arrested, when we have Mexican cartels the have billions, and own like half of North Mexico, or the Mob bosses, other crimminal, gangs etc? lol your funny man as for that story why you think they mentioned it? cause it rarely happens, I swear I could sell a few hundred fake stuff in my area, and no one will say bull XD

Wholesale, at the end of the day in that last week I was getting more and more customers stating they were not original, asking for there money back. I had numerous people telling me thay you got things wrong on the shirts, on the neck, the bayern shirt was a joke, even people telling me the colours were not right.

I spent just as much time trying to keep customers happy then actually posting shirts, often giving them discounts just to keep them from saying anything.
My issue with posting them 3 parcels of shirts is its just going to get even more messy, having more returns to deal with, more people telling me there going to sue me, telling me they are going to send the shirts to respective football teams.

Where you are saying I didnt contact you for a week I dont know what you are talking about, maybe I was busy with sorting out all the returns, posting the shirts, there was not much you could do with that anyway.

I have all the full logs off our convos and I know you dont say anything that is not what you have said, its just that you have made a shit load of money of these shirts, but now the likes of me and the 2nd poster on here is facing all the shit. I honestly believe if I went down your route and posted the remaining shirts, I would end up refunding most, and be even more out of pocket.
Im sure someone said that if your ebay account gets closed all the people that bought of you will be notified why that account was closed.

Originally Posted by sonobby1

Wholesale, at the end of the day in that last week I was getting more and more customers stating they were not original, asking for there money back. I had numerous people telling me thay you got things wrong on the shirts, on the neck, the bayern shirt was a joke, even people telling me the colours were not right.

I spent just as much time trying to keep customers happy then actually posting shirts, often giving them discounts just to keep them from saying anything.
My issue with posting them 3 parcels of shirts is its just going to get even more messy, having more returns to deal with, more people telling me there going to sue me, telling me they are going to send the shirts to respective football teams.

Where you are saying I didnt contact you for a week I dont know what you are talking about, maybe I was busy with sorting out all the returns, posting the shirts, there was not much you could do with that anyway.

I have all the full logs off our convos and I know you dont say anything that is not what you have said, its just that you have made a shit load of money of these shirts, but now the likes of me and the 2nd poster on here is facing all the shit. I honestly believe if I went down your route and posted the remaining shirts, I would end up refunding most, and be even more out of pocket.
Im sure someone said that if your ebay account gets closed all the people that bought of you will be notified why that account was closed.

sorry I beg to differ, if you do not send them out then of course they will ask for a refund as they never got anything.

As stated above you had plenty (over 80) positive feedbacks, so it would seem a high % of these shirts to be shipped would have happy customers.

One thing is certain if you do not ship them then you will have 100% unhappy customers.

it looks like you have blocked me on skype and that is your prerogative, however as I have said on there I am more than willing to help you

I beg to differ with you, my buyers where alerted by Ebay that the item they purchased may be counterfeit after one customer reported me so then they asked for a refund or opened a dispute.

If the OP sends them out they are all just going to come back again, then he's just going too end up in a bigger mess.

Plus them German shirts especially are terrible quality and i doubt most people would need telling they where non genuine

The only thing they replicate is the colour (come to think of it someone complained about too).

Ive told the buyers ive refunded to just keep the shirts in a hope to reduce damage, plus i dont think its even worth the cost of return postage on them.

Re: The Man Utd /Barcelona shirts, your correct in saying i received some good feedback at first that was until the official site released the actual shirts to be worn and then they started coming back. I did manage to move some returns on because i had no choice with all that stock but most went at a loss by the time everything had been paid because nobody wanted them as they where the wrong design.

The Man Utd shirt did not replicate the shirt it was meant to, end of story. The design was wrong and the shipping was not as promised as it took forever and the sizes where totally wrong.

The Barcelona shirt was well off the mark too, where as yours where embroided with english writing. The actual shirt had no such embroidery, it had a sticker and that was written in spanish.

I do still have a few here and your most welcome to take them back for the money i paid for them along with this Moncler Coat that you said you get off my hands ages ago and the money for my watches.


Also, dont try and make me out to be some kind of sore loser because im complaing about your goods. Blaming the supplier blah blah blah.

Im blaming you because its your fault, your shirts just aint that good mate.

For the record, when you had me selling all these high end reps when we first met, you knew precisely what you where doing.
You where so eager to get things like watches and high end designer goods on my account you did it yourself on Teamviewer. as i remember for 10% which after paying the fee's was f**k all. you just took total advantage.

Man up and admit it,then sort out the money for the items mentioned.

Then i would be happy.

Mods if you need anything from me just ask.

I think i have said my piece now and will leave it up to you guys to decide.

Peace.

Originally Posted by sdpn2010

I beg to differ with you, my buyers where alerted by Ebay that the item they purchased may be counterfeit after one customer reported me so then they asked for a refund or opened a dispute.

If the OP sends them out they are all just going to come back again, then he's just going too end up in a bigger mess.

Plus them German shirts especially are terrible quality and i doubt most people would need telling they where non genuine

The only thing they replicate is the colour (come to think of it someone complained about too).

Ive told the buyers ive refunded to just keep the shirts in a hope to reduce damage, plus i dont think its even worth the cost of return postage on them.

Re: The Man Utd /Barcelona shirts, your correct in saying i received some good feedback at first that was until the official site released the actual shirts to be worn and then they started coming back. I did manage to move some returns on because i had no choice with all that stock but most went at a loss by the time everything had been paid because nobody wanted them as they where the wrong design.

The Man Utd shirt did not replicate the shirt it was meant to, end of story. The design was wrong and the shipping was not as promised as it took forever and the sizes where totally wrong.

The Barcelona shirt was well off the mark too, where as yours where embroided with english writing. The actual shirt had no such embroidery, it had a sticker and that was written in spanish.

I do still have a few here and your most welcome to take them back for the money i paid for them along with this Moncler Coat that you said you get off my hands ages ago and the money for my watches.


Also, dont try and make me out to be some kind of sore loser because im complaing about your goods. Blaming the supplier blah blah blah.

Im blaming you because its your fault, your shirts just aint that good mate.

For the record, when you had me selling all these high end reps when we first met, you knew precisely what you where doing.
You where so eager to get things like watches and high end designer goods on my account you did it yourself on Teamviewer. as i remember for 10% which after paying the fee's was f**k all. you just took total advantage.

Man up and admit it,then sort out the money for the items mentioned.

Then i would be happy.

Mods if you need anything from me just ask.

I think i have said my piece now and will leave it up to you guys to decide.

Peace.

re the shirts if they are not that good then why did the Op get over 80 positive feedbacks from Germany on German shirts and and you had over 70 on the final shirts? some even saying things like great original shirts etc etc

re what you believe you are at a loss with just quantify it with figures and we can reach an agreement

I might of got some good feedback yes , but I got just as many people complaining. The germans know there shirts, and that is reflected in the messages I got on egay. And is now reflected on my pypal

Fine I need these questions to be answered before initiating any action.

1) @sdpn2010 & sonobby1 - Are you aware that the shirts sold by wholesalereplica are fakes? If Yes, did he gave any guarantee about refunds?

2) @wholesalereplica - Instead Refunding the money, why you are offering the shirts again? Is this is the way you will be doing business?

He told me they were original, and told me that they were all made in the same factories over there, what I mean is all the leading football teams make there shirts in the same factories.

And also as for being original he told me that customs can not let a fake shirt in to the country, they would destroy them. Most of the parcels that came in to the UK from wholesale replica, he had to pay a custom duty on, and thats why he says they are original.

As for returns yes he said he would pay for any returns

I was about to say that's how it goes with replicas - especially on ebay - until I read this:

Originally Posted by sonobby1

He told me they were original, and told me that they were all made in the same factories over there, what I mean is all the leading football teams make there shirts in the same factories.

And also as for being original he told me that customs can not let a fake shirt in to the country, they would destroy them. Most of the parcels that came in to the UK from wholesale replica, he had to pay a custom duty on, and thats why he says they are original.

That is obviously BS if people could tell right away they were replica/fakes. I think if you can prove he said that it shows he'll say anything to make a sale.

Hi Wowhaxor, thanks for taking a look at this thread. Ive jus gone through my skype chat and found these snippets of chat that are what you talked about.

[30/05/2011 1728] sonobby1: whats the risk of my account getting banned?
[30/05/2011 1724] Wholesale Replica: pretty much 0, its football shirts and not LV or Gucci, as long as its an aged account which with that feedback it likely is and you have sold before its pretty much at 0
[30/05/2011 1755] Sonobby1: what about paypal is there a chance i can get that freezed?
[30/05/2011 1706] sonobby1: ive heard all these stories
[30/05/2011 1717] Wholesale Replica: how long have you had the paypal?
[30/05/2011 1730] sonobby1: same time as the ebay account i think
[30/05/2011 1734] Wholesale replica: it should be perfectly fine, they may ask after a few sales for some verification which is normal, they just want to confirm its you, apart from that as long as the customers get the goods and leave feedback it should be fine

[08/06/2011 14:00:33] Sonobby1: hey
[08/06/2011 14:00:38] Sonobby1: just had a few questions
[08/06/2011 1445] Wholesale Replica: im here
[08/06/2011 1420] Sonobby1: Dear sonobby,
[23/06/2011 16:39:53] Sonobby1: A question me on your mind, before I bid.
Why their jerseys are a little different than those in the fan shop of FC Schalke 04?
[23/06/2011 16:42:00] Wholesale Replica: you can just reply the following, you get you shirts from a wholesaler of Football shirts, all are authentic, however like most Manufacturers Adidas make their shirts in many different factories and there may be some very tiny details that come out differently in the manufacturing process, however all shirts are real, many thanks blah blah


Hi,is there a guarantee that the shirt and the patches are authentic?Thank you!

- ebay buyer
[08/06/2011 1459] Wholesale Replica: there are no patches, but yes I would tell them shirts are authentic

right its £34.06 (this is the customs charge per box)
[14/06/2011 16:59:48] Wholesale Replica: ok, seems high based on value I put on the box however i will cover it all, when we do next order we can knock 34.06 off
[14/06/2011 17:00:12] Wholesale Replica: saying that thinking about it they are only charging like 2.80 per shirt which is not that bad
[14/06/2011 17:00:42] Wholesale Replica: also a major plus is you will have a bill from HM Customs for duty which basically says the shirts are real

this guy has replied back about wanting his money back, and the reson why
[14/06/2011 1955] Sonobby1: he replied in english
[14/06/2011 19:29:12] Sonobby1: Giving the description of the article in german, i thought that you can understand german.
You said the kit is an original one. It isnt. The print in the neck isnt original. I think you what it means to sell unoriginal things? I wanna have my money back, that i sent you 2 days ago.

[17/06/2011 1516] Sonobby1: yes
[17/06/2011 1538] Sonobby1: i got another message if you wan to answer it for me
[17/06/2011 1543] Wholesale Replica: sure
[17/06/2011 15:25:11] Sonobby1: Hello!i have question;-)the 3rd trikot from Schalke 04 is that an original? Im mean it´s not an original.because there some failed in your picture from the trikot.greet
[17/06/2011 15:25:54] Wholesale Replica: the purple one obviously, I have looked at the images on the schalke site and they are exact
[17/06/2011 15:26:20] Wholesale Replica: I would just answer all your shirts are authentic and bought from a main wholesaler

[22/06/2011 09:55:00] Sonobby1: but i still worry ray, im worried im gonna get a knock o the door
[22/06/2011 09:55:37] Wholesale replica: you have already paid duty on the shirts UK customs have authenticated them , you really have 0 to worry about
[22/06/2011 09:56:31] Sonobby1: thats what i dont understand if they have authenticated them, which means they have looked at them, they must think they are official yes, but how can they think that when they come from thailand?
[22/06/2011 09:58:24] Wholesale Replica: Thailand have thousands of stores that sell official shirts, it is not just copies here....also now that duty has been paid there really really is nothing anyone can do as you have the paperwork or reciepts that show duty has been paid and duty cannot be paid on fake items

[22/06/2011 09:59:22] Wholesale Replica: there will be customers like this it is just dealing with them quickly
[22/06/2011 1034] Wholesale Replica: when I was in the UK dealing with the proper fakes , like ralph lauren and lacoste in their thousands there were times I worried....but on other lines when I had the duty paid I knew I was as safe as I could ever be....paying her majesties government duty absolves you 100%, so you can certainly sleep safely.....

Obviously there is lots more messages like this in my ebay account which was closed.
If a moderator wants to confirm this above I am willing to do a teamviewer, so that they can see the skype convos, i have nothing to hide.

Just to inform the Mods that Wholesalereplica has offered to try and work something out.

Will let you know the outcome.

@sonobby1

at no point did I say they were original shirts, I have always said they were copies however they are made in the factories that have been used by adidas and nike in the past

I think the conversations from skype above shows that and I too am happy for any mod etc to have a look at the full conversations

The major issue was you had messages in your ebay account that you had no idea were there, these would have been emailed to you and it would appear you were not checking them, any customer that is not getting answered is going to raise the issue- this too is in the skype logs

@wowhaxor

re everyone seeing they were obviously fake this is just not true. At the last point on the shirts he had 82 positive feedbacks, 2 neutral and 2 negative, both negatives were not for fake shirts

so based on average % of people who leave feedback he would have over 150 positive feedbacks

so on that basis how is it that everyone obviously thought they were fake?

Hi all,

I'm currently selling on behalf of wholesalereplica and I have now come across this thread since I've not been on BHW recently. I've sold quite a lot of shirts recently and have just begun shipping out shirts. My ebay account has over 800+ feedback. My paypal account is verified too.

Can everyone keep me up to date with whats happening as I don't want my account banned or have to give refunds to all the customers.

You see what the problem is here?
each person that agree to list the shirts for wholesale replica is like a guinea pig. The shirts that me and the othe guy on here posting have bad experiences, but he is learning from that, trying to perfect the shirts.

Ive often told him about isues with the shirts which, he takes on board. For example in one of my cases he listed the bayern munchen shirt, and all was good, we made good sales, until they hit the german market.
the amount of bad fedback I got was unreal, and why?
Because the bayern shirt is redish, inside and out, but ours were red outside, but white inside. they knew straight away they were not real. My next batch of bayern shirts had the red inside.

so yes this new guy posting above will see lots of sales initially, until the shirts hit the german market, and he will be in the same position as me.

Which is as of right now -£2800 in paypal.

i sell replica and ends with my suspended account. no hope

Originally Posted by sonobby1

You see what the problem is here?
each person that agree to list the shirts for wholesale replica is like a guinea pig. The shirts that me and the othe guy on here posting have bad experiences, but he is learning from that, trying to perfect the shirts.

Ive often told him about isues with the shirts which, he takes on board. For example in one of my cases he listed the bayern munchen shirt, and all was good, we made good sales, until they hit the german market.
the amount of bad fedback I got was unreal, and why?
Because the bayern shirt is redish, inside and out, but ours were red outside, but white inside. they knew straight away they were not real. My next batch of bayern shirts had the red inside.

so yes this new guy posting above will see lots of sales initially, until the shirts hit the german market, and he will be in the same position as me.

Which is as of right now -£2800 in paypal.

Hi i cannot really understand how the sellers here are blaming wholesalereplica for this ? i mean his screen name contains the word replica so you fully knew what you were getting into which is dropshipping? I was recently tried in court for this same matter and do you think i could blame the chinese suppliers who sent the items to my customers? no. you just have to put this down to experience and accept the losses.but as long as wholesalereplica is not misleading you at all than this is not his responsibility. It was a moneymaking opportunity for you so you need to cover your back when running this kind of operation

I haven't done business with wholesale, but I know how it works.

My paypal and ebay are both suspended. I was the one who had the long running paypal and ebay accounts and my partner was the one purchasing the shirts, but could never list for long because his ebay and paypal accounts were new and flags were raised quickly.

I knew what I was getting into, I think the others in this thread did too

I also was sending replicas from Thailand to Germany. At first it was doing well, then after only 3 months it went south.

I knew the shirts were replicas, good replicas, but not authentic.

I chalked it up as something not to get into again and that's it. I'd recommend not letting anybody list fakes with your ebay and paypal accounts, because in the end you will be the one responsible for handling your refunds.

Luckily I was still in Thailand when we were doing this, so could take action when he didn't want to chip in his half of the refunds.

Originally Posted by sdpn2010

ive lost so much money because of this guy

Now that you lost all that money, at least understand that it was not because of him. He is the bad guy, but that 's his problem. Your problem is that you were the sucker and that 's what you need to deal with.

You kinda missed the fact that he was selling for real value prices not fake

Originally Posted by SilverSultan

this is funny cause here in America no one gives a s**t about fake stuff. you could have made a killing by selling them here xD people here just wear cloths, and for fakes ones they don care, lol you Europeans are very sassy to check if it is real lol funny world funny world, Also for Whoresale dude if you gonna sell fake stuff at least make the patterns and names right, it is Rolex not Roolex XD calm on dude, make then Thai's get a dictionary or google the words and pictures lol

I got a letter today from a German solicitor acting on behalf of Dortmund, now im totally screwed.
Ive tried translating it best as I can through google, but I really could do with a native geman speaker to translate it for me. If anyone knows one please let me know, they are giving me a deadline to do things. I need to speak to a solicitor tomorrow here in the UK, but I really need a proper translation.
thanks
Si

Originally Posted by sonobby1

I got a letter today from a German solicitor acting on behalf of Dortmund, now im totally screwed.
Ive tried translating it best as I can through google, but I really could do with a native geman speaker to translate it for me. If anyone knows one please let me know, they are giving me a deadline to do things. I need to speak to a solicitor tomorrow here in the UK, but I really need a proper translation.
thanks
Si

Hey mate,

I speak fluent German and English. So, just drop me a PM if you are still looking for someone, Ill be happy to help out.

Cheers

Good Luck man!

Hi
wholesalereplica. pls help him out...
he is still a human after all
and you were cashing some money from him as well

snobby I am really sorry for the trouble your in, I just wish you could have taken of some tactics to protect yourself, why sell in Ebay? when people can trace you fast? Look I am in US, and there are thousands of department stores, and some are high end, other middle, and then the low, all make good money, If I was in this kinda thing I would have just sold them to some middle or low end department store, they would not give boo, nor ask question, I would make a decent profit, and so will they, and most likely have repeat business, there are many people here looking for good, decent cheap clothing nor matter what.

I'm really sorry to hear about your situation mate.

Originally Posted by sonobby1

I got a letter today from a German solicitor acting on behalf of Dortmund, now im totally screwed.
Ive tried translating it best as I can through google, but I really could do with a native geman speaker to translate it for me. If anyone knows one please let me know, they are giving me a deadline to do things. I need to speak to a solicitor tomorrow here in the UK, but I really need a proper translation.
thanks
Si

Originally Posted by sonobby1

I got a letter today from a German solicitor acting on behalf of Dortmund, now im totally screwed.
Ive tried translating it best as I can through google, but I really could do with a native geman speaker to translate it for me. If anyone knows one please let me know, they are giving me a deadline to do things. I need to speak to a solicitor tomorrow here in the UK, but I really need a proper translation.
thanks
Si

Remove the personal info, and post it up here.

Originally Posted by sonobby1

I got a letter today from a German solicitor acting on behalf of Dortmund, now im totally screwed.
Ive tried translating it best as I can through google, but I really could do with a native geman speaker to translate it for me. If anyone knows one please let me know, they are giving me a deadline to do things. I need to speak to a solicitor tomorrow here in the UK, but I really need a proper translation.
thanks
Si

I've got one of these from Manchester Utd's lawyers a couple of years ago. Been selling their shirts. They asked to send all my stock to them and pay 1000 GBP for their efforts to track me down
Never really had any stock, though, as I was dropshipping.
For whatever reason, I just ignored it and nothing happened. Been crossing the border all the time and nobody ever detained me, so I'm all good

I cant post the letter up here, im just thinking of legal reasons here, sorry.
what im reading from the letter, and its abou 8 pages long, they want me to sign some sort of agreement.

that i wont sell the shirts again, but that they also want info like who my supplier is, his address, how many shirts i sold, how much they cost, how much they sold for, how much money i made, they want me to destroy any shirts i have, but they want proof, they want me to pay 1800 euros legal costs for starters.

Then they want me to pay more costs on how many shirts i sold , so as to reimburse the trademark.

But i cant get info like how many I sold ebay deleted my account, wholesale replica wont help im sure.
im well and truly fucked
Oh and there giving me a deadline, it all has to be done by the 3rd august, or they will initiate judicial proceedings.
and to top it all off, im supposed to be going on holiday this friday, for a week(28th)

Get a solicitor/lawyer

Are you sure that they have any real hard evidence against you?

Play stupid, your internet maybe was hacked you have no idea etc

"@sonobby1

at no point did I say they were original shirts, I have always said they were copies however they are made in the factories that have been used by adidas and nike in the past

I think the conversations from skype above shows that and I too am happy for any mod etc to have a look at the full conversations

The major issue was you had messages in your ebay account that you had no idea were there, these would have been emailed to you and it would appear you were not checking them, any customer that is not getting answered is going to raise the issue- this too is in the skype logs"

Let me just LOL at this. it was me that you were talking to when i was talking on behalf of sonobby, and i was questioning you about the shirts themselves, their originality. And you assured me that they were real and as sonobby said, the originality proof came from customs letting them into the country.

As for those of you who are saying that they are suckers for believing this shite, then you are also wrong. A very calculated risk was taken, the idea of it all was pondered over for a good week or so, calculations were made, research was done, and then it all boiled down to the lies that this idiot spewed to us, when he told us how the shirts were real. At one point im sure he also said that it was ok to sell replica shirts on egay as long as you stated that they werent real. so that was a self-contradiction..

It may seem like a complete noob mistake, given, but as you can see, sonobby is a newish member. coming onto this forum, where a standard of trust is extremely important, and even after all the thinking and headscratching was done over whether to carry it forward, the bottom line decider was down to trusting wholesalereplica, because of his high rep and the smooth talking and reassurances that he gave to us.

He is nothing but a salesman, selling lies to those of us that are struggling on here, and struggling to make a bit of money to keep heads above the water.

Again I reiterate to those of you who say we were the suckers, what wholesalereplica is doing is praying on the naiive in the marketing world, raping them for their money, and then fucking off when they have got what they want, leaving people to pick up the pieces.

Originally Posted by sonobby1

I cant post the letter up here, im just thinking of legal reasons here, sorry.
what im reading from the letter, and its abou 8 pages long, they want me to sign some sort of agreement.

that i wont sell the shirts again, but that they also want info like who my supplier is, his address, how many shirts i sold, how much they cost, how much they sold for, how much money i made, they want me to destroy any shirts i have, but they want proof, they want me to pay 1800 euros legal costs for starters.

Then they want me to pay more costs on how many shirts i sold , so as to reimburse the trademark.

Don't do ANY of those things. They're basically getting you to admit you did wrong, give them all the specifics of how and how much and then they'll have an easy case to sue you (basically force you to settle with their terms).

Doing that stuff basically screws you and gives them all the control, either ignore it or talk to a lawyer depending on how serious you think they are but do not do those things they asked of you.

Well Wholesalereplica told me he wanted closure on all this and we agreed on an amount which he said would be with me by the first of the month.

Guess what?

No money has arrived, he wont reply to my emails and he's just shown his true colours once more.

If your reading this, why say your going to transfer the money when you really had no intention of doing so.

I contacted him about a week ago and he did reply, saying that it is still happening and that the funds would be there by the first of the month. Since then ive sent him emails daily with no response whatsoever.

Just dont know why he's done this when it was a chance to redeem himself.

Very very disappointed yet again.

sdp did u check replicas profile he hasnt
logged in since july 27th -- a week --- hmm

I suggest getting a new eBay + PayPal (there are people who sell them for ex. http://www.accountomania.com/) for selling replicas. Get a VPS with an US IP to control the acounts and you're good to go as you won't risk your main eBay and PayPal account.