That guy never sent any 400$ to me and this is not money exchange, he showed that he is helping me withdraw the cash.

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@Spud

Be a men and communicate with varun also if you are not able to pay him right at the moment.You will see you will feel better and have more time to work and fix the issue cause i'm also not beliving that you're a scammer, you are just somebody who have right at the moment money issues which could happen to all of us.Just stay up and fix it and nobody will judge you.Myself i would even give you more trust if you would act like a real men

ok you say that he didnt send you the money. Ok so lets just say that his claims are true and that he did send you $400 on November 30. Would the $400 have anything to do with the $550 that you sent him in February?

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He is saying that he sent me 400$ on 30 november (keep in mind that our first chat was for his 5 minute ad-flagging work on 1 dec. 2009) for 225 articles! OMG! SO CHEAP! And i never gave anything to him (according to his fairy tale) And he is such a god and never said anything to me! I amm the chats, he talked about bank's problem and never cared about footfall and after 25 days, he remember that he have a friend called footfall! And became jury for his work and took my 550$!?!?!?! I can show all the proofs. What he have given is simple text which anyone can edit, an images in which he claims he sent me 138$ and whose full version which i posted cleared that it was a partial refund of my 550$. So whats the problem now? Everything is crystal clear!

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varund - Did you message a mod before you shitlisted spud?

This war of words is going nowhere, so I suggest we all wait upon Spud to get his proof from paypal for the initial payment he made to varund.

Uh, so what if he is having problems with his partner? That is no excuse to not live up to the OP. (BTW, I personally like Spud)

How can i forget this -

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Lol its only 500$ :S

money is money.

if you think $500 is easy to earn, then might as well give the money to the OP.

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He only ordered 10 articles from me on dizziness and headache which i have delivered a month ago! Proof -


And you know what? He is lying about that $400 deal! We never had any deal like that!

He himself said i owe him 30 articles as he will send me 700$ instead of 590$ And i cleared that i sent the last article to him, so deal completed!

And how can we forget this -



He said he sent the cash on 25 february and western union never do transfers to bank accounts!?!?!?! I confirmed it many times! According to him, i was supposed to get thaty cash in a day but its been a month now!

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ok , so you should atleast file a dispute in paypal for your 550$ , if nothing works out between you guys .

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Guys, tell me whats my mistake? I gave all the proofs, he gave nothing and he lied that he sent me 138$ payment and gave a partial picture and i confirmed and gave the proof with full picture that its just a partial refund of my own 550$! He gave some text which anyone can edit and you believe him? When he can show paypal image then why cant he show the screenshot of chat??

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bcarefull my friend, there's a lot of scams inevery forum .. i hope you'll get ur money soon

regards

varundbest:

If he's not willing to give your money back then all you can do is open a paypal dispute, contact a mod here and report him. If this is true, you'd be doing everyone a favor.

As of now, people would think twice before dealing with both of yous.

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To everyone,
He has opened a dispute. I have nothing to hide, those who know me and the situation I have been in know the deal. I contacted PayPal and I had to fax over the corporation docs that show that I was on the account as well that the money was sent to Varun.

I am trying to deal with Varun, but he seems to want to drag everyone else into the mess. There is a lot of confusion. I apologize with deepest sincerity.

I thank everyone who has backed me up and stood up in my defense.

Varun nor I are bad people, things just got led astray without the proper communication. I will try to get this resolved with Varun the best I can.

Again, I thank everyone who chimed in and I hope that more business will flow with Varun and I and everyone else for that matter.

Sincerely,
Bruce

Oh, so we didnt had proper communications? 25 days isnt enough? I gave all proofs but still some people are believing you, very strange! All you are doing is asking me to write your articles for which you never paid! And saying you sent me $400!

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stop bitching and talk to spud how to solve the issue

Friend, i already talked and i am doing that since more than 26 days! He always said that he is sending cash and now he is saying that i owe him articles!!!

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Varun has blocked me from chatting with him and emailing him. I am trying to be civil and respectful and come to an amicable agreement.

woo..what a mess..from two reputable figures..

I havent blocked you! I always replied to whatever you said. I can't take this anymore friend!

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Spud stop the bullshit and pay this dude!

if u got the dudes money you got his money, pay it back and it will clear your conscience of scaminess!

oh !!!

we have a deal with spud which was already paid and he hasn't started yet.

Hopefully, he will finish the job that we have already paid.

I have a deal with Spud and I can tell you, I am not worried.

He's going through some tough times and he could use the help, but I have full trust in his work, his work ethic, and the fact that he'll do the work and if he can't he will definitely give you a refund.

foot should have made his own thread, i really don't get this three way love triangle.

spud should pay end of story!!! proof is posted.

ANYONE WHO BOTHERS TO READ THIS CAN SEE SPUD BEING EVASIVE!!!

MODS PLEASE DEAL WITH THIS

I was too nice. Everyone told me to do it but I wanted to give Varun the benefit of the doubt but then he posted this thread and tried to use it as the reason for not completing my work for over a month.

This whole situation is a complete mess and they really needed to get this resolved because both of their businesses are suffering from this one thread.

I hope they get this resolved soon...

that's what i was thinking, but i don't feel like getting flamed today.

some folks here seem to think that if you're not involved then you have no right commenting on the situation.

in any event, i hear you...

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I HAVE NOT been evasive. I am WILLING to take a HIT on money that WAS MINE to begin with to end all this crap. I see no one else coming in here saying I flat out stole their money. I am still working with PayPal to get access to the other account. I am hoping Varun and I can work something out before I get that proof because like I have stated before, he is a great guy. Young and he has a bright future ahead. I don't want this to turn into a dog eat dog situation.

I don't even know why you are in this thread IAMAZEME, it's baffling me.. We have no business together and nothing.

I have tried getting in touch with Varun. I have witnesses who know I have been trying. I just want this to end so I can get more business and learn yet another valuable lesson of being careful of what I am doing in my business.

I have Varun on several different occasions so don't sit here telling people I haven't.

Varun is showed as being online here. He doesn't show in my gchat. This has happened before with Footfall99. He only comes on when it is convenient for him.

My friend said Spud is a good man. Now, I am feeling okay to work with him.

Yes, Sprud is Evasive!

Let him show the proofs he paid varun! Isn't that enough that Sprud one time says he paid via Paypal, the other time he tells he paid via Western Union? Then he has hard times and did not manage to pay...

Let me tell you another story:
I had another BHW account now banned; Banned for "threatening bhw members"! This all happened because I paid Sprud $100 for Sending 300k emails out - after a few hours!

So he did not send that for almost 1 month and the only thing I was threatening him with was - the shit list! In this time, he contacted the mods and posted on VIP section about me, dunno what he posted but I got banned before even getting the chance to report him!
(I have the Western Union receipe if anyone wants proof!!)

Yes! This motherfucker IS a big scammer! Guys, come on! don't u see how many proofs varun posted and how Sprud every time is getting a new excuse?

regarding his "bad times" and "moving" - when he was speaking with me about a refund: his car got jacked, he was sleeping at work cause his wife forgot to come after him and his phone was not working (like they dun have phones in the office)!, he said he sent me the money, he then said he has some troubles and can't send, he told that he sent my email to 7 million people and that his list said thanks for the offer lol... and many other (need to re-read the chat with him to remind everything) - so he did not have any bad times. He is just scammer that knows how to be evasive! I wonder for how long!

My conclusion is: This scammer has something with the mods as they close the eyes on everything he is doing! Or maybe he is just favored bcoz he is donor... But he is definatelly a scammer! And people like Sprud make BHW a garbage!

Hey Sprud, what you gonna say about that! My name is Sergiu - if you don't remember!

Edit: reading the history with him now. His system was bombed - he sent the emails to millions but couldn't send to the list I gave him - my email was spammy this is why they dun reach inbox (even if they never reached even the spam folder) and the email looked like a friend invitation to play an online game... more to come...

It's Spud.. Spell it right.. please. Um, we have one car and my wife has been working part time (I posted that in the blackhat lounge, when I was still working with my previous job, I was drunk.. Don't try to insinuate that I was making excuses, it was a fun night that night I posted that). I am NOT evasive, I will be providing proof as SOON as PayPal grants me access to the account. Everyone else can see that, dunno why it's so hard for you to. I have provided proof that I have given Varun money. I gave him money from Footfall99.

I never scammed you. I did your campaign as spammy as it was. I told you to change the campaign around and I would try to do the campaign again. You tried to get more for free. I don't know why your other account was banned and I am NOT "in" with the mods. I tried to help you the best I could. I told the crew what the deal was with you and what you were doing. You first of all shafted me of the payment that was owed. You then made excuse after excuse. Then because I am a nice guy, I went ahead and started your campaign. It was flagged a lot, I even stated that to you but you were adamant on keeping the email the way it was. I did send it to your list and I tested it with some of my list to ensure that what I was quoting accurately was true. I told the moderator at the time what going on because I was trying to appease you the best I could.

YOU NEVER PAID ME $100.00, you were $10-15 dollars off.

There has many people who have stood up in my defense, for giving refunds to being helpful to whatever else.

I posted my situation in the VIP section because I didn't want everyone knowing my business. So if that is considered evasive, then so be it.

I am sure your new account will be banned as it's against the rules to have multiple accounts. Or to make a new account after being banned.

Make up your mind, in one breath you are saying I never sent it and then contradict yourself stating that the email sent looked like a friend request to play an online game. Remember KateFauler or whoever you are, it was your email set up that you wanted.

Dear BHW'ers,
Is this a spammy email?

Hello there,
You received an invitation to play Mahjong from Angela.

To accept the invitation please click on the link bellow.
URL HERE

Best Regards,
Mahjong Team.

Spud:
sorry for the "Sprud"!

Yes, I did pay you $90 and told I will pay other $10 if you start the campaign and you never did!

Btw, you were supposed to buy 2 domain names and make redirection. That was the fiirst step to start the campaign! And you did not even do that! About sending the email out, I had 100 test emails in the list (to test it on milestones) and none of them received that email. Not in inbox - not in spam folder. So no, you did not send it!

And if you sent the campaign (let's admit) why you promissed to send me the money one month? why? And why you did not want to send the money anymore after I was banned? hint: you are a scammer and deal only with newbies!

For bhw'ers: I paid him only cause he had good reputation and very nice price! But as it was mentioned in a thousand of threads here: run when u see something too good to be true!

People that tell good things about you in this thread are people that did not get scammed by you! I am not saying you are scammed everybody. After all, I would say you are a nice guy but still scammed me and made everything to get away with that!

And yes, you are evasive! Coz you never sent that blast out! If not, tell us why you said you payed $400 to OP 2 times and after 1 day you say you still need to pay? Same with me... and God knows with who else!

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Lol, am gonna post some images with your discussion in a few hours to let BHw'ers tell who is wrong and who is right.

Okay, you need to read the whole thing again.. I never stated I paid him twice!

That was the email that you wanted to go out. So you essentially shot yourself right there. You just proved that I did send your campaign out. I did redirect it at one point, but after being dicked around by you several times. I stopped working with you and wrote it off.

Anyone would do that.

You just openly admitted AFTER lying that you sent me 100. It finally came out that you lied about that. You go to McD's and say I'll pay you later but let me have the cheeseburger? Ain't gonna fly bro.

I am a very nice guy, I'll go the distance for you. Yet there is a point, when I stop. I have to or I am not being an effective business guy.

All I am wishing is both varun and spud settle the issue. To those who have issues with spud, please settle it privately and civilly as well.

We all do have problems in life, things can get so overwhelmed and out of hand. But we need to be responsible to take action if things go wrong or need to be fixed.

Wish you both the best in your business.

It is impossible to solve anything privately with Spud - he finds 1000's of excuses and won't refund you the money ever!

Spud:
This is the email I wanted to go out and this does not prove anything! The words are copied from an email I sent you bcoz you were having issues to come online, remember? And you did not redirect anything!! From 7 million + my 300k list there wasn't even a click (Yes, not even 1!!) to the destination link, so dun tell me you redirected it!

When I asked u to show me the redirection domains remember what u said? "This is private info and I will not reveal that!" LoL!

Interesting, how were you dicked arround? Or I did "jack your car", "crash your system", "left u sleep at work", closed the Western Union office so you can't send me the money back? lol, wtf?

And yes, I sent you $90 but you accepted to send the emails. That -$10 was used as an excuse after weeks of not doing the work you promissed. It didn't seem to bother you at the beginning!

And if so... why I did not get my $90 back till today, you scammer?

Yes, you are a nice guy (cause you speak nice), but that doesn't prove you're not scammer! And if you're not one, and if you are nice why dun you give me my money back?

You aren't getting your money back because I did the service, just because you didn't get the services you wanted. Isn't on me, I tell everyone the up and up. EVEN before you agreed to send the money. I warned you the emails would most likely be flagged. You were adamant on setting the campaign the way it was.

If it was because of me, I would have refunded but in this case. It wasn't so my refund policy doesn't pertain to you. I never told you that my car was jacked, everyone knows my wife and I have one car between the wife and I so all you are saying doesn't make sense.

I also know that you and Varun are pals and if this is his way of creating a coalition against me, it isn't working.

I did your service, I sent out the emails. You did not heed any of my advice, I never offered a refund so get off the bandwagon.

I mentioned the email above... please tell me what was flagged there? That email doesn't look spammy at all. And this was the first email. After you told it's flagged, I sent you another email!!! And you said that one was ok. Why was not inboxed?

Then why you were finding thousands of excuses to not send me money even if you "wanted" to refund? And why you continued saying you sent the money or that you will send the money until you got sure I was not on bhw anymore?

Oh Yeah?
http://twitpic.com/1addgq/full


If you gonna tell me it's a fake image, I can make a video or show anyone via skype my desktop life!

Where from do you know that? I dun have anything in common with varun and even if I would - he didn't need me to show proofs you scammed me, and I don't need him to prove you scammed me.
If honestly, I used to have one friend on BHW - and she left bhw just because of cats like you!

If you did your service, how come that 7300000 emails sent and no even 1 click? With the 93% inboxing rate you promise?
Am tired now to make screenshots and upload them but first think I do when I get up is a video with all our discussions where you did say you will refund, that you sent the money via western union and you don't find the MTCN number and so on.... you scammer!

Lol, I wonder where are the mods? Spud is telling a new lie in every post and he will continue scamming people like this forever?

Wow this is really giving blackhatting a bad name. You got one guy dont have a place to live. You got one guy/girl trying to make money off of mahong. I will not order services from spud because if he cant make money himself then how is he gonna help me make money. Pretty sad but I do enjoy the read. Spud you should be making tons of money like a respectable black hatter. Maybe you should order the rich jerk off of clickbank. LOL.

You are the scammer, and it's pretty blatant. Let's look at the scenario..

1. You stated to everyone in your first ever post that you sent me 100.00, when I called you on it, you retracted
2. You are under a new account after being banned
3. You stated that I sent the emails then now you are saying I didn't you even posted.
4. You were banned because I am sure you have done this to a few others but you tried to get something for free.
5. Your pissed off because I wasn't going to be jerked around forever by you.
6. Everyone can talk to me, despite everything that has been going on. I STILL will find it somewhere in my ass to get things resolved.
7. I don't think you want the mods here because your butt would be banned.

My only sin is being to naive and stupid. I should have protected my assets more when dealing with my situation.

Troy, i was making a good amount of money with my former partner.

lol spud sound like u need to move to nigeria to me cause u scammin the spammin then try to spam the scam.

Well not taking sides, but Spud I think you really need to start overperforming. It sounds like a lot of skeletons are coming out of the closet, and people that you have left hanging. I am sure you will hopefully clear up some of these, and get on track to completing the work that was promised. I personally would highly suggest not taking any more work on until you get the backlog of work cleared.

Now as for the above arguements. Honestly, it sounds like your arguing symantecs. If the guy claims he paid your $100 or $90 sometime last year. It really should NOT matter. Thats like someone telling you "hey they have a sale on pizzas at the store for "$5.95" and you coming back, no they didn't liar "I didn't see that brand of pizza on sale it costs "$5.96".

As for the emails, if he's telling the truth I and most of the members here have to lean to his favor. If your sending out 300k email, and he doesn't get a single hit to his website. It either means you didn't send out the emails or they were not inboxing (which means you didn't check and put seeds in while emailing). That is just emailing 101, if your sending out thousands let along 100's of thousands of emails, and your getting no visitors to your site, not even one, something is screwed up!

I did send out the emails. I sent them out several times for him. He even states that I did. Over perform... I do. At this point, this thread is crazy. I never scammed katefauler, I sent out the campaign. It didn't work out in their favor. i went to the mod at the time and showed proof of what was done.

i have been very communicative and straight forward with the mess that is going on.

It's just insane because I have had a few bad apples when starting out, I tried to be the best I could but they were never satisfied. Some people are like that, it's the way of business.

I have seen people have one issue and it's super easy to jump on the train of negativity than to be objective/neutral. It's like picking a sore that you can't leave alone.

Well mate, we seem to be getting two different answers 99% of the time here. One person claims one thing, and you claim the exact opposite. Which leads me to believe that one of you is lying.

Now if your claiming that 300,000 emails were sent out and not a single person clicked on his link, because it was bad copy... That is one matter. I would hope that this was not the case, and instead he got a decent number of visits to his site, just no conversions.

I think you both need to PM an admin, to see if they can arbitrate this matter and take whatever corrective actions are deemed necessary.

I think there is quite a bit of skeemin going on.