CeCash.. WTF?!

**coreygeer** · #1 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 11:35 AM

You know.. I thought these guys were one of the companies I could trust.

Well.. I've been working with their CeMags program and that's pretty much all I got.. and what I am making isn't much but it's all I was making because I don't know how to do anything else.

Then one day Scott.. e-mails me telling me.. I no longer get paid for E-mails.. only for signups.. I wasn't doing anything blackhat or bullshit.. I was making what.. 10-15/avg daily.. what a fucking lame excuse not to pay an affiliate anymore.

If I wanted to do the signup program I would've promoted the sign up program..

The rules and the game changes all the time.. never keep all your eggs in one basket like my dumb ass just did.. now I have no incoming money, and no one will help me our or even do as little as tell me a working method of making any more.. doesn't surprise me honestly.

**Uptownbulker** · #2 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 11:52 AM

You know, I see more and more of this kind of thing; you get set up, you get the hits and they stop paying you! It's as though they intend to scam you in the first place.

oh wait

By George, I think I've got it!

It does seem like they all do it, as though they rely on an endless succession of new accounts to keep the hits coming and don't realy want truly effective affiliates because then they would have to pay them.

**booman** · #3 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 12:04 PM

Odd, very odd, especially from such long running company. Can't even find in their TOS where it says you must maintain a certain conversion ratio or be converted to the Per Signup program.

They still gonna pay you up to that point? Maybe even take it to some of the boards like GFY and Netpond?

playzfer · #4 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 12:42 PM

Have you had any signups when you was doing the email submits? I have only just started promoting them over the last week but still managed 2 sign ups(paid $15.50 each) in that time as well as the normal email submits. I think if your leads are not converting they may red flag you. If it was my company i would too, wouldn't you?

If Cecash is f*cking people over then the bad thing is BHW get index and up the SERPS in like hours they are only giving a bad name for themselves!

So there is no point crying over spilt milk Coreygeer there are loads of affiliates you can promote. Just change the link promote somebody else! Check out the thread below for few other people you can promote:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...there-any.html

**HaRRo** · #5 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 12:53 PM

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http://www.freeezinebucks.com/

**Steeky** · #6 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 03:22 PM

If you are sending them shitty traffic what do you expect? You think they are going to keep paying you while they take losses? I take it you were sending torrent traffic?

**GoldenTiger** · #7 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 07:55 AM

Man that sux. Did they at least pay you for the signups you did before?
If you dont mind saying, what method did you use to get the email signups?

Its probably that the traffic wasnt converting well for them (if at all)
The reason why those companies pay you per email is they hope some of the emails will eventually PAY for a membership or something.
If you send them 300-400 emails leads... and none of them convert, they lose money.

Quote:

The rules and the game changes all the time.. never keep all your eggs in one basket like my dumb ass just did.. now I have no incoming money, and no one will help me our or even do as little as tell me a working method of making any more.. doesn't surprise me honestly.

True... You should experiment with multiple methods, or at least with multiple sponsors/affiliate networks.

As for the telling you how to make money part... Probably no one will take you by the hand and show you exactly how to make money. Trust me, I've learned this the hard way.
Keep trying, keep reading the forums, thats what I am doing too. I am sure that there is some other tactic you will find useful, either on BHW or elsewhere.

**boomboomer** · #8 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 06:13 PM

It's good to have the company's perspective here ... will lead to more balanced and realistic discussions ..

**Steeky** · #9 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CeCash

Hello everyone!

First allow me to introduce myself ... my name is Fabian and I work for CeCash. As many of you know, CeCash has been in business since 1996 and we've paid over $105,000,000 to our affiliates. You don't get to this level unless you're running an honest program who genuinely cares for its affiliates.

Along with providing support and on-time weekly payouts to 1000's of affiliates, we also attract the attention of scammers who try to cheat the system. This hurts us in many ways ... primarily it hurts the honest webmasters who send legit traffic. In the years of being in business, we have seen it all ... recently however we've seen a flood of incentive torrent traffic. Basically, low-life scammers offer access to a password protected file by luring users to signup to our email programs in order to find the password (this is called a "squeeze"). This results in highly unproductive traffic and their accounts get switched to a PPA model or in some cases we simply terminate the account.

The bottom line is we have full time staff monitoring stats, message boards, torrent networks, etc. and if you try cheating us, we'll find you. It's a shame though that threads like this get started to try and give us a bad name when all we're doing is protecting our business and affiliates who try to make an honest dollar.

CeCash is A+ in my book

**nudebrain** · #10 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 04:08 PM

just a side note, I see sales coming from them, and I use torrents but NOT with the cheesy password strategy, all my files are unprotected that I upload to torrents and other file sharing sites and people sign up freely to get cecash porn access, dont know why you need to squeeze people into those offers?

**nudebrain** · #11 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 04:25 PM

PS: plus other methods that I use and not only torrent stuff alone.

punn3301 · #12 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 04:32 PM

What do you expect? Companies like CeCash are doing a staggering amount of leads per day. I'm pretty sure they know exactly what their conversion rates should be. If you're not hitting those rates, they're not going to just keep paying you.

Why would they pay out for what is obviously either bad leads or fraudulent leads?

Plus doesn't CeCash payout per email address and then also pay you when one of your leads converts? How can you complain about that?

I know this is BlackHat World, but some people need to wake up, a lot of this fraudulent stuff and squeezing of leads in the torrent model is going to either die quickly or put a huge hit on the CPA industry.

Those of us who have been around long enough have already seen it happen in the past. CPA was popular years ago before it made the "comeback" it's making nowadays. And it took a step back because of fraud and scammers.

Now the technology and tracking is better and scammers and frauders are weeded out faster.

You better either be at the top of your BlackHat game or ready to take a more WhiteHat route because some of these quick fix methods are going to disappear soon. It always happens.

Just my take, oh well. Rant over.

**GoldenTiger** · #13 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 08:06 PM

Yeah thats true... using the "torrent password" strategy is against the TOS of most sites, and will get you banned quickly, as technically, you are "incentivising" the lead.