Im new to TO and i just started to use with it. but how far safe is it? Will it make any harm to my PC?


one more question?

Will TOR work For eBay and Google Adword? And For Fake Adbrite Clicks?

TOR is will not make any harm to your PC
But if your planning using it for eBay and Google Adword? And For Fake Adbrite Clicks,maybe around 95% percenet your network will banned your ass.
Most of IP's there are already blacklisted to there network.

It is very easy to detect that you are coming from Tor. It's good for some things, you can use it to be anonymous in certain respects, and probably works for some black hat world stuff, but I think all smarter networks and players are going to be able to detect IPs from Tor and so they might ban you.

Another problem is that people using the tor network can potentially sniff exit nodes, and therefore if you are transmitting sensitive data they can potentially pick it up. I don't think that's a problem for any black hat people though, as your data is unlikely to be that sensitive.

Cool info there, never knew that TOR was unsecure.

Originally Posted by internext2

It is very easy to detect that you are coming from Tor. It's good for some things, you can use it to be anonymous in certain respects, and probably works for some black hat world stuff, but I think all smarter networks and players are going to be able to detect IPs from Tor and so they might ban you.

Another problem is that people using the tor network can potentially sniff exit nodes, and therefore if you are transmitting sensitive data they can potentially pick it up. I don't think that's a problem for any black hat people though, as your data is unlikely to be that sensitive.

I have used TOR and it never harmed my pc. I still have it on there just never really use it anymore. I was NOT thrilled with having to wait over 10 seconds for pages to load though.

I just tested it for accessing ebay and adwords and it came up after 15 seconds (i counted). I have never tried it for fake adbrite clicks. Could be a win for that.

rcom
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One word to describe TOR: unsecure

This is bs root.


If you use a standard tor client it is very secure, far better than any public proxy can ever be and in general definitly more trustworthy than bulk private proxy sellers are. (not talking about any specific one, just a general note)

The Tor network is watched by the developers and its users, if any host is behaving bad or is suspicious he is flagged as evil and you will not use it anymore.

Also Tor bandwidth allocation works in a way that favors the faster servers, you will notice 80% of the time you have one of a few known IPs.
Those are large servers, often run by np-organisations dedicated to privacy and anonymity.

You think a dedicated server on a high profile datacenter is secure ? It will be sniffed by admins and sometimes even by other customers (have seen that more than once happening when switches go into hub mode or get arp-attacked)



Most honeypots sit on public proxies, Tor is too slow for most people and those using it are usually not of real interest for attackers but they are likely to be educated on proxy dangers.

As general rule: transmit your passwords using SSL instead of cleartext protocols. If you receive a certificate warning think about it instead of ignoring it.

Yes tor is more secure than other proxies. And the security is not an issue for black hatters anyway unless you are into some highly illegal stuff.

The main question for blackhatters is can it be identified as a proxy, and the answer is yes. But then almost any proxy can be identified. So the next question is if you can identify it then how easy is it to identify and I think it's reasonably easy right? You just compile a list of tor exit nodes?

i love tor. its the most anonymous connection type you can use.

internext2: it depends, I've a lot experience on working with exitnodes of Tor and if people use a normal tor client or public directory services they will never have an accurate list.

+ It means a company has to write a dedicated solution for one single proxy type, even most specialized proxy-detection companies do not detect Tor.

The anonymity of Tor is so far the strongest you can archive on the internet, the privacy of your data is ensured on your end. A sniffing exit is something that is a possibility for every imagineable proxy type, there is no way around it when you use a proxy.

In case anybody needs it, here's TOR https://www.torproject.org/download.html.en

Free.

Originally Posted by justone

This is bs root.


If you use a standard tor client it is very secure, far better than any public proxy can ever be and in general definitly more trustworthy than bulk private proxy sellers are. (not talking about any specific one, just a general note)

The Tor network is watched by the developers and its users, if any host is behaving bad or is suspicious he is flagged as evil and you will not use it anymore.

Also Tor bandwidth allocation works in a way that favors the faster servers, you will notice 80% of the time you have one of a few known IPs.
Those are large servers, often run by np-organisations dedicated to privacy and anonymity.

You think a dedicated server on a high profile datacenter is secure ? It will be sniffed by admins and sometimes even by other customers (have seen that more than once happening when switches go into hub mode or get arp-attacked)



Most honeypots sit on public proxies, Tor is too slow for most people and those using it are usually not of real interest for attackers but they are likely to be educated on proxy dangers.

As general rule: transmit your passwords using SSL instead of cleartext protocols. If you receive a certificate warning think about it instead of ignoring it.

Thank You Very Much, You just gave me a big bunch of info about TOR
Thanx Again

Originally Posted by justone

internext2: it depends, I've a lot experience on working with exitnodes of Tor and if people use a normal tor client or public directory services they will never have an accurate list.

+ It means a company has to write a dedicated solution for one single proxy type, even most specialized proxy-detection companies do not detect Tor.

The anonymity of Tor is so far the strongest you can archive on the internet, the privacy of your data is ensured on your end. A sniffing exit is something that is a possibility for every imagineable proxy type, there is no way around it when you use a proxy.

Ok that's really interesting information. Yes the sniffing exit is no concern to me at all.

But networks being about to detect that I am using a TOR ip is a concern. Plus I want to know if someone is using TOR to access my sites. What you are saying is that it is possible to know some of the TOR exit nodes, but not to know every one. I actually have just set up a TOR detection script right now and maybe it's not really that accurate. Not sure, guess I need to use TOR and see if I'm detected

Tor can now be easily detected by even whatismyipaddress.c0m(0=o) ..Its unsafe to use with companies that are well equipped with tools to detect proxies. And no, its an infamous software and its completely safe for your computer.

Originally Posted by pandarian

Will TOR work For eBay and Google Adword? And For Fake Adbrite Clicks?

I encourage you not to do so ..its undoubtly risky.

cheers,

Originally Posted by emusketeer

Tor can now be easily detected by even whatismyipaddress.c0m(0=o) ..Its unsafe to use with companies that are well equipped with tools to detect proxies. And no, its an infamous software and its completely safe for your computer.

I encourage you not to do so ..its undoubtly risky.

cheers,

I just tested 7 different tor nodes through cloakfish on the "advanced proxy test" of that website.
Not ONE was detected as tor node.

So where do you have your facts from to say that this site can easily detect tor nodes ?

you can use tor as anonymous tool, but keep in mind that if you submit any sensitive personal data using tor it can be sniffed on the other end

all in all it is a great tool

@ Justone

I used to use tor some 3-4 months back with firefox verson less than 3.0

At that time this website use to say that tor proxy is detected.

Apologize for making comments without the knowledge of updated facts.

Thanks for letting me and us know. Appreciate your effort and I take my words back/

I tried to explain: when you use tor it will give you one of a few ips, thousands of people share that usually.
So you can not say it detects tor in general, cloakfish as example digs out the rare used hosts, those are usually not detected at all.
So a standard tor client can usually be detected, it also changes your ip automated from time to time.

But tor in general is usually not detected, I know no website that does that.
(wikipedia is said to block tor, but I think they also use a normal blacklist with the same issues)

Whenever i'm doing something i want to be untraceable i simply jump in the car with netstumbler on an find an unsecure wireless network. Preferably not to close to my house and i dont use the same one twice.

Originally Posted by detox1978

Whenever i'm doing something i want to be untraceable i simply jump in the car with netstumbler on an find an unsecure wireless network. Preferably not to close to my house and i dont use the same one twice.

Depending on the country you are in you face criminal charges if they get you.
As example in most of EU you risk that (entering a non protected network without permission faces the same charges as breaking a protected network).
Wardriving is a very time consuming and more and more dangerous hobby.
+ The people get suspisious when you circle their homes slowly, it often happens that police is called.


Remembers me on those cases where kiddy-porn-addicts got caught by police using that method while wanking to some pictures or movies in their cars ^^


Depending on what you do they might catch you anyway, authorities will raid the home of the wlan user. Then they will ask people all around for people in cars with a notebook. They will analyze the ATM cams, bank cams, security cams and so on.
These days it is very hard to leave no traces once you leave your house.

Originally Posted by detox1978

Whenever i'm doing something i want to be untraceable i simply jump in the car with netstumbler on an find an unsecure wireless network. Preferably not to close to my house and i dont use the same one twice.

You won't be untracable unless you spoof your mac address.

Originally Posted by ShadeDream

You won't be untracable unless you spoof your mac address.

There was already a lot of wrong stuff said here, but this is definitly the biggest nonsense I read today :-)
If you don't know about a topic better read more than write, won't do good to you otherwise.

The problem with private proxies is that they are softbanned on craigslist in a matter of days if you use a higher count of IPs on one subnet for posting.
Then you'r forced to get PVAs

I know what I am talking about as I learned that the hard way

I just installed TOR to check it out and received this warning:

Warning!

Torbutton on Firefox 3 is known
to leak your timezone and
livemarks via Tor.

Do you wish to continue anyway?

Im no expert and still trying hard to build my knowledge of proxies...

but it seems to me if my timezone info is knowable that this could present a problem when (for example) using a US proxy if you're not in the US.

Any comments?

Originally Posted by Ruchka

I just installed TOR to check it out and received this warning:

Warning!

Torbutton on Firefox 3 is known
to leak your timezone and
livemarks via Tor.

Do you wish to continue anyway?

Im no expert and still trying hard to build my knowledge of proxies...

but it seems to me if my timezone info is knowable that this could present a problem when (for example) using a US proxy if you're not in the US.

Any comments?

Wanna know the same thing..

Originally Posted by pandarian

Im new to TO and i just started to use with it. but how far safe is it? Will it make any harm to my PC?

Will TOR work For eBay and Google Adword? And For Fake Adbrite Clicks?

since you are n noob to this, tor is the best thing for you to use.
yes, it is "safe". and it wont harm you pc.
they take it very serious over at torproject.org

tor will hide your ip but thats all.
you should know that there are a lot of servers in the network.
and you never know how the server owner will use the data you send.

Originally Posted by texacola

Not really enough info on where you're trying to post to to say whether it's "safe" or not...

Apologies in advance if this is a hijack but I'll throw a scenario at you that I posted in another thread):

I'm a US citizen but not currently in the US.

For one example, I need to purchase skype credit but skype sees that I'm not logging into my account from the US so it is limiting my payment options to wire transfer and moneybookers. I don't want either option (and can't even open a MB account for the same reason).

If I go to my skype account via 'hidemyass' I can access the CC and PayPal options. But I'm hesitant to go through with either of those payment methods because I do not trust sending accounts and passwords through HMA. I already pushed it by signing into my skype account in my opinion.

I'm also concerned with accessing payment accounts via a proxy of any kind.

Any thoughts on this or similar situations?

WTH I'll throw another scenario out here...

I recently bought a domain name at a major provider. Completed the transaction with my US info and CC. All legit, nothing illegal at all.

Shortly afterward I received an email that my account was blocked for "security" reasons. A number of potential reasons were mentioned but it seems the only applicable one was that I logged into the company's site from a non-US IP.

Now I have to jump through some hoops to prove I am who I say I am to reactivate the account.

Had I just logged into the company site via TOR (or another of the many options identified in the forum, for that matter) could I have avoided this whole issue?

Tor gives you a random IP, it also is built to give you IPs that are shared most (bandwidth based), it focuses only on anonymity and protection of the node owners. Performance, using as proxy or stability is no priority in the Tor development.
Tor is mainly a program for residents of countries like burma, china, iran and similar where aggressive authorities monitor your activity and cut your penis (alternatively hands, legs or heads) when you do/look at something "wrong".


That is why I invented Cloakfish, it's using Tor nodes as proxies but it focuses on optimum peformance and the requirements in SEO businesses.
So when you use Cloakfish you are able to use Tor nodes noone else has used before or IPs that are used very rarely.

So while texacola is definitly right (when you use Tor to create affil accounts or post on CL you'll have no luck because of the massive abuse) Tor itself has still the potential to do that but not with the original program.

I know customers of Cloakfish use it for posting on CL successfully, also the use for account creation, cpas, paypal and EPN was reported as success multiple times to me.

For minor CL adventures it is probably not the worst tool, it will provide mixed results per post. (some require PVA, some work fine without and some will be ghosted)
If you plan to do hundred or more posts per day you'll want a private proxy solution like offered by texacola and mrtornado here on BHW.
Of course the need for a PVA might come up, at least after a few days of use on a fresh c-class it will be soft-banned by CL.

If you just need a high anonymous IP without preferences and no demands for stability, performance or previous abuse then plain Tor might be a solution. (As example to spy on competition, entering fake datails in foreign formulars etc)
Some months ago I compiled a list of different ways to change your IP and their advantages/disadvantages (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...on-thread.html) maybe of interest.

Would you consider Tor "safe" for creating youtube accounts and using tools like tubebooster for ratings and comments?

I made a little experiment - i went to whatisyouripaddress.com and used "new identity" option 10 times on that site to see if it'll detect that i use tor.

end result: 9 times out 10 i got "suspected proxy network" message (maybe i set up tor wrong? i simply downloaded it, installed and enabled it on my firefox 3.0 - i did not tweak it at all)

I also used Cloackfish's proxy analysis tool - of course, it detected my proxy.

If sites like whatisyouripaddress can easily detect that i use a proxy, i think youtube can surely detect this as well.

Last question: when youtube sees that i use a proxy does it also see my real ip or it simply sees that i use a proxy?

don:

When checking against an analysis/detector, just because it suspects you're behind a proxy doesn't mean it knows automatically what your actual IP is. Any number of methods can detect a proxy even when anonymous, some as simple as them having a list of possible proxy IPs and ranges ahead of time.

Also: Just because youtube can tell it's a proxy doesn't mean you get auto-banned. Plenty of "regular people" who are at work or in some backwater country that restricts internet usage use proxies for regular surfing. I wouldn't do anything serious with one of those TOR IPs, but just for account creation and the like the worst case scenario is that you'll get flagged but not banned unless you do something to irk them.

N

Originally Posted by rcom

I have used TOR and it never harmed my pc. I still have it on there just never really use it anymore. I was NOT thrilled with having to wait over 10 seconds for pages to load though.

I just tested it for accessing ebay and adwords and it came up after 15 seconds (i counted). I have never tried it for fake adbrite clicks. Could be a win for that.

.

for me it´s loading on half second almonst the same that without

My question is for creating YouTube accounts is it better to use Tor, HideMyIP, or to purchase paid proxies. Also if you purchase paid proxies how long will they last and how many do you need when using YouTube software?

Originally Posted by internext2

It is very easy to detect that you are coming from Tor. It's good for some things, you can use it to be anonymous in certain respects, and probably works for some black hat world stuff, but I think all smarter networks and players are going to be able to detect IPs from Tor and so they might ban you.

Another problem is that people using the tor network can potentially sniff exit nodes, and therefore if you are transmitting sensitive data they can potentially pick it up. I don't think that's a problem for any black hat people though, as your data is unlikely to be that sensitive.

So in your opinion is tor safe for creating a shitload of youtube accounts or not. Also, if you use Tor to create accounts do you think youtube will be on your ass if you log in from your regular ip into one of those accounts to do some editing or change videos or anything like that?

Originally Posted by doncajunas

Would you consider Tor "safe" for creating youtube accounts and using tools like tubebooster for ratings and comments?

I made a little experiment - i went to whatisyouripaddress.com and used "new identity" option 10 times on that site to see if it'll detect that i use tor.

end result: 9 times out 10 i got "suspected proxy network" message (maybe i set up tor wrong? i simply downloaded it, installed and enabled it on my firefox 3.0 - i did not tweak it at all)

I also used Cloackfish's proxy analysis tool - of course, it detected my proxy.




If sites like whatisyouripaddress can easily detect that i use a proxy, i think youtube can surely detect this as well.

Last question: when youtube sees that i use a proxy does it also see my real ip or it simply sees that i use a proxy?

Can a person really use tor for using tools like tubebooster? I thought you would actually have to find a list. Can you pull a list off of the tor network?

Tor was made by the U.S. Military and is monitored by the government. It is used to catch pedos and hackers, if your any of the 2 your not safe. But do use it if your a pedo, you deserve to be caught

SerRated

It won't harm your PC, but it is so f#$%ing slow it may harm your patience.

Originally Posted by Arthas

i love tor. its the most anonymous connection type you can use.

sweden/switzerlandVPN>socks5

I unstalled this a couple of weeks ago and the strangest thing happened.... My own router blocked my pc from the internet....

It had me stumped for a why as to what the problem was so i check with my laptop and all was working fine. Check my router and for some reason the router firewall had blocked my local ip....

I still dont know what caused it to happen, but ive set quite a low threshold on dos attacks, so maybe its nothing to much to worry about...

Anyne else had the same issues?

or even better spoof your MAC and connect to a wireless zone out of town on a laptop. A good program for MAC spoofing is SMAC.

I've used TOR + Privoxy for Pr Storm and 600 links were posted in few seconds.
When I tried a proxy from ip-adress.com/Proxy_Checker/ it took me about 5 minutes to hit 600 links.

My question: Is any of this 2 methods good for PR Storm ?

It sucks when you're reading interesting posts and they have links that are quite relevant to a post and you can't follow the link.

This link in your post:
(http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...on-thread.html)

Gives me this message:

persyme, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.


I'm just trying to follow the link.

I can never get follow links here. I get this message (or some other problem).

Can you please tell me what the post for that link says or copy/paste the post here?

Originally Posted by justone

Tor gives you a random IP, it also is built to give you IPs that are shared most (bandwidth based), it focuses only on anonymity and protection of the node owners. Performance, using as proxy or stability is no priority in the Tor development.
Tor is mainly a program for residents of countries like burma, china, iran and similar where aggressive authorities monitor your activity and cut your penis (alternatively hands, legs or heads) when you do/look at something "wrong".


That is why I invented Cloakfish, it's using Tor nodes as proxies but it focuses on optimum peformance and the requirements in SEO businesses.
So when you use Cloakfish you are able to use Tor nodes noone else has used before or IPs that are used very rarely.

So while texacola is definitly right (when you use Tor to create affil accounts or post on CL you'll have no luck because of the massive abuse) Tor itself has still the potential to do that but not with the original program.

I know customers of Cloakfish use it for posting on CL successfully, also the use for account creation, cpas, paypal and EPN was reported as success multiple times to me.

For minor CL adventures it is probably not the worst tool, it will provide mixed results per post. (some require PVA, some work fine without and some will be ghosted)
If you plan to do hundred or more posts per day you'll want a private proxy solution like offered by texacola and mrtornado here on BHW.
Of course the need for a PVA might come up, at least after a few days of use on a fresh c-class it will be soft-banned by CL.

If you just need a high anonymous IP without preferences and no demands for stability, performance or previous abuse then plain Tor might be a solution. (As example to spy on competition, entering fake datails in foreign formulars etc)
Some months ago I compiled a list of different ways to change your IP and their advantages/disadvantages (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...on-thread.html) maybe of interest.

Hi texacola.

Do your proxies get softblocked from cl because they are overused (each proxy posting more than once every 48 hours) or is it that cl can tell that they are coming from a server and/or service (if that's the correct way to describe it), i.e. not a private user / real IP address / ISP?

As you probably know many website use a service/method that can tell when the IP address is a proxy by using some sort of open proxy list method (I forgot the name of the site/method). Would your private proxies show up in something like that?

I hope this makes sense to you.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by texacola

Absolutely, and I make no bones at all that so far all of my proxies have been softblocked by CL, of course I have quite a few clients that don't even venture near cl so that doesn't affect them at all. But, even though they are softblocked by cl like you said, all it requires is an investment in pva's (not hugely cheap of course) and you're in amongst the select few who do post on and make money from cl.

Pretty much ALL of the major heavy ad posters on CL use private proxies, and a lot of them are turning to me for their ip solutions because their previous providers are falling by the wayside and folding or aren't actually as exclusive as they were supposed to be, and bar none mine are the fastest that any of my users have come across because I don't stack dozens of cblocks per server. The maximum I do is 5 cblocks per server, plugged into a very fat data center (2 different data centers one on each coast of the US) pipeline, all the speed a person could ever want or need.

Tor is as safe as a wallet thrown into the faces of hungry workless thieves

I have used tor and can tell you that many sites detect and block it. As for security.... It is probably perfect for most people doing basic things... However the developed for us Navy part caught my eye. The government has their paws in almost anything that promises privacy, encryption, etc. So like others have said, if you are doing something bad don't think a simple free download (or most you pay for) will CYA. Some solutions work better than others. If you live near a beach... It's great! Tons of open Wifi from the condos, no cameras and plenty to catch your eyes while you surf the net.

However, if you like to look at little kids... I suggest you to suck the barrel of a .45 auto