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Originally Posted by benol some sites won't opened if tor is running on your computer. ...
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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    Quote Originally Posted by benol View Post
    some sites won't opened if tor is running on your computer.
    How on earth can a website tell what programs are running on your computer? I'm not 100% certain they can't, only 99%. Could someone come to the definitive answer on this.

    Could they tell if you were using a tor IP ADDRESS? YES
    Could they tell what programs you are running, I don't think so.

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    a lot of people hate on TOR because they say its slow but it really is the best anonymity tool there is if your goal is to truly become anonymous.
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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    If you want to surf or do naughty shit without getting caught then you need to seek out your own proxies in countries like china, russia, malaysia, and lots of non english speaking countries and chain them together. Sure they can still trace you but good luck getting through all the language barriers.

    Oh and if you fuck over a bank or start stealing credit cards they WILL trace you, I've seen it happen. There is no sure way to stay 100% under the radar, all you can do is keep your shit pretty low level and make it a hassle to come looking for you.

    Juist my $0.02

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    Hmm. Not really untraceable. I agree with what apekillape said. I'm the dir. or IT for a major hotel company and I spent a really long time tweaking and studying TOR/Vidalia for other, more spurious purposes.

    It is very, very good for doing quick, "surf to a site" taskings and then moving on, but any "relay" can have their logs pulled, just like what happened in Germany a few months ago when they shut down a HUGE TOR bank of relays... mainly because there was a problem with child porn being surfed through them.

    Logs were pulled. People were pressured and interrogated. Arrests were made. It can and does happen,... especially when children are involved. Believe it.

    But... if you really want to make it very, very HARD to trace,... then you can tweak and carefully configure your own TOR routes and relay "exit points" ... as they are called.

    I had a system of batch files set up on a series of desktops to do just this at one point, and believe me... even our sophisticated security testing had some real troubles producing an originating node, even with 2-3 hours of solid sniffing.

    This, however, was a huge trade off on speed, which is also a factor whenever someone is doing something.

    In short, TOR can be rigged to make it "almost" untraceable,... but at what cost,... and for what purpose?

    YouTube accounts for boosts is one thing, surfing kiddie porn is another.

    Cheers all.

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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    i dont like tor
    i used hide-my-ip and it seems good...

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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    Who was arrested ?
    What logs where pulled ?
    Tor nodes are not logging and I know of not one case that anyone was arrested.
    The thread starter is definitly no genius but he's right about the anonymity Tor can provide.



    Quote Originally Posted by giveitlegs View Post
    Hmm. Not really untraceable. I agree with what apekillape said. I'm the dir. or IT for a major hotel company and I spent a really long time tweaking and studying TOR/Vidalia for other, more spurious purposes.

    It is very, very good for doing quick, "surf to a site" taskings and then moving on, but any "relay" can have their logs pulled, just like what happened in Germany a few months ago when they shut down a HUGE TOR bank of relays... mainly because there was a problem with child porn being surfed through them.

    Logs were pulled. People were pressured and interrogated. Arrests were made. It can and does happen,... especially when children are involved. Believe it.

    But... if you really want to make it very, very HARD to trace,... then you can tweak and carefully configure your own TOR routes and relay "exit points" ... as they are called.

    I had a system of batch files set up on a series of desktops to do just this at one point, and believe me... even our sophisticated security testing had some real troubles producing an originating node, even with 2-3 hours of solid sniffing.

    This, however, was a huge trade off on speed, which is also a factor whenever someone is doing something.

    In short, TOR can be rigged to make it "almost" untraceable,... but at what cost,... and for what purpose?

    YouTube accounts for boosts is one thing, surfing kiddie porn is another.

    Cheers all.

    -A

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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    i think this is well known and alot of guides have posted already

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    Tor was funded by the government and traffic with Tor is closely monitored by the Feds to catch child molesters, hackers, etc...You have just led everyone to a "proxy" that would get users caught if they were using it for illegal purposes.

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    "a fat kid guarding a room full of pies" !!!! LMAO... seriously... good info here. Thanks all!!

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    Hi I've used Tor but I found out another way to be Untraceable that is much better I think ... It's just a little slow because you can open and use FREE services but also the paid services are much Faster (I use the Free).

    The program is JonDonym ( http://anonymous-proxy-servers.net) and it comes with another Firefox designed for it where it has the basics (no cookies, flash, etc.) although you can enabled them if you want.

    It's from Germany and when you surf the IP it shows is from THEM (Germany).

    I've got my Firefox installed where when I click the Firefox Icon a window of the 2 Profiles shows up 1.(my regular Profile) and 2.(My JonDonym Profile) then according to the level of security I want for what I want to do I choose the one I want.

    Check it out!
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    No need to fear torproject. it is fairly well known. However, the problem with tor is that many forums specify they do not allow the use of proxies, including many private torrent forums. These will ban you if you use tor---as the IP address may be changing quickly and visible to the forum administrators.

    Incidentally, Gouranga, are you using tor on forums such as this one? I never thought of even checking out

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    so are you the F.|3.I. or trying to make money on something? I dont really trust 2 posts and then a share like this but hey thats just me

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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    If you're going for anonymity, TOR is inadequate.
    TOR is only as secure as the exit node.
    Try Jap/Jondo or Jondofox instead.
    See anonymous-proxy-servers.net/en/jondo

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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    Tor is slow and insecure

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    well if someone didn't want to slow there browsing and just wanted to shield spies or hackers from there own machine .. for security ... what would an experenced person recommend?

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    Reverse socks5 > VPS
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    Thanks for this

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    This is why I drive around NYC in my white van with no windows using wifi! I'm safe that way right? :P

    On a serious note. Is this something good for typical downloading of movies + music. I have really only been updating a list of IP's to block and with the increase of stuff I do now it seems I should step up instead of stealing wifi to do it.

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    Thanks for this

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    Thanks for this

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    Default Re: USE THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE untraceable

    This is BS.

    TOR traffic can easily be sniffed and is not very safe at all.

    If you want to be untraceable for real; buy a strong wifi antenna and a trusted VPN that doesn't save records eg. anonine or prq.

    There you go: untraceable with decent amount of internet speed.
    And if you're very evil you can use peoples ISP's SMTP's to send spam mails. (I think you must deactivate vpn first)

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    I don't know how untraceble you really are trough TOR network, but it's very easy to detect if you are using it.

    h x x p s : / / c h e c k . t o r p r o j e c t . o r g /

    I think google knows about this, that's why most of the times asks you to prove your human when trying to search something.

    BUT

    The way the OP said to use TOR ... you're just using TOR in FireFox, and if you use a software to bulk post comments or scrape google, you will still be using you own IP, because windows is using the Internet Explorer settings. Check the above address in FF and IE. You'll see for yourself.

    What you need to do is:

    In IE go to

    Internet Options -> Conenctions -> LAN Settings -> Check Use Proxy

    Adress: localhost
    Port: 8118

    Click OK -> Restart Browser

    Now check again if you are using TOR .... ta daaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabims View Post
    Question about tor - is there a way to make it so it only uses USA ips?

    Would also be nice if there each time you chose new identity it would immediately tell you which region the ip is - help with posting cl ads - main reason I need something like this.
    Yes.

    1) Get a list of tor nodes;
    2) Sort list by country;
    3) Configure entrance or exit nodes or both to use U.S. nodes.

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    If you think that you are untraceable just because you are on a different ip, then you are living in wonderland. If you are using tor to create email addresses, youtube accounts then yeah, you will get away with that minor stuff. But if you are doing fancy stuff then they can trace you all the way back to your underwear if they want to.

    As long as you are connected to the internet you are traceable, period. It will make it harder depending on how skilled you are but if they want you, they will get you. There is no such thing as 100% anonimity. Even world wide skilled hackers get caught. You think they are unaware of tor? lol.

    Your mac address, enabling java, activex, using internet explorer as a browser will all leak bits of information. For instance opera leaks less information than ie. You want to be more anonymous than the average? Let me tell you then. Drop off ie. Use someone elses wireless to access the internet. Disable activex and java. Jump on to a vpn that doesnt record logs. Spoof your mac id. Now you will be somewhat anonymous. Not untraceable.

    People using windows and then talking about being anonymous is making me lol. This is just like standing under the light wearing dark clothes and claiming that you are invisible. If you don't know what you are talking about, then act accordingly. Don't mislead people.

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    lol use VM and Backtrack crack a wifi using a usb wifi adapter change the mac address, and if your more worried use a proxies even after that only way you get track back is they do reverse tracking and that if your dumb ass signs into soemthing that can be track back to you.
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    What is the whole benefit of submitting your website to different proxies?? I dont quite follow.. Sorry Noob here.

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    Hm. the sandboxie piece above is a good, good start (not bulletproof, has some flaws that can be exploited to identify a location eventually) but a good, good start.

    I work as the senior net admin for a large global company and I can tell you that Tor is easier to sniff out than you think, so unless you've got encryption running alongside, and also spoofing, (and have staged a good network for your incursion),... then a really good net admin could leverage certain resources to find you...

    BUT... to be honest, none of this discussion has any immediate 'threat relevance' to someone, UNLESS it is actually the fibees or interpol or another fed agency at the national level that has power of subpoena over ISPs, because (having been on the tracker end of several investigations myself), I can tell everyone here first hand just how slow and laborious it is to really 'pinpoint' someone's actual physical location. (I hopethis type of talk is permitted and the mods will alow it,... if not please warn me and I will never do it again ). The truth is that local law enforcement at the state level (and below) in the US almost NEVER has the authority or the resources to execute a state-level attorney general subpoena of ISP records (and even if they can twist some public official's arm into it, it takes them forever), which means that (typically) the closest trace someone ever gets is the NOC center or DSLAM station closest to a perpetrator,... which still leaves thousands of IPs to check and sometimes hundreds of square miles in question,... unless they get that subpeona. Even computrace (famous computer 'Lo Jack" company that everyone's heard of yea?) will tell you that it takes time to track someone, and they have ESTABLISHED partnerships with most ISPs.

    On top of that, most people think that ISPs have a magic button that can tell their net admins something like [IP address assigned = physical address location], just like that, with the push of a button. That is not true. In fact, some ISPs can't even guarantee to have log files beyond 10 days for IP leases, even for law enforcement availability.

    That's why, if someone was really were going to do something unorthodox (or nefarious) then I would principally have to agree with 'ultimatium1''s short, but accurate post above.

    Real 'hit and run' scammers enter a network using removable WiFi cards capable of promiscuous mode settings and re-assign different MAC addresses each time they used (sometimes scrolling, after disconnecting, then reconnecting in the same place several times), then they just crack WEP at your nearest McDonalds (I won't get into that side of it) or worse yet, wardrive an unsuspecting little old lady in your neighborhood, surfing via SSL/VPN (and maybe even surfing a network of proxies on top of it, not that by itself it will help, but it will confuse the issue for law enforcement,... again extending the TIME it takes to investigate).
    A setup like this allows a perp to do their business for about an hour, no browser interaction in most cases, just remote cmd line - but if there is it is a stripped down browser that caches nothing and does not execute JS or store cookies. Disconnect, and then leave.

    The timeline for tracking something like this is typically weeks if not months. And as soon as the public IP at McDonalds (or wherever the staging area was) is known, then the only prayer law enforcement might have is that a video camera caught a license plate or something, because at this point the person is long gone. Usually, at that point it is a matter of dollars. If the perp committed a serious crime and there is over 20K of theft involved, they might continue to pray for a hail mary and pursue it with 'on the ground' tactics like interviewing people and expanding the searchable area for subpeonaing video camera footage, but this will most likely prove futile.

    If the crime was low grade or just mischief, typically the case just gets recorded (along with MAC/IP/VPN endpoint info if they can get it, etc.). Not worth the continued waste of resources and public $ to pursue.

    I have gone through 3 of these types of situations, and trust me. They are long, they are boring, and (if the perp simply at LEAST chose a public WiFi network to stage his/her incursion), then it ends in frustration and in eventual concession that not much can be done.

    Most people that do nefarious things online get caught because they leave a PAPER TRAIL LATER ON of either money they scammed, or the ill gotten goods they attempted to get,... and it is that paper trail that catches up with them.

    We had a situation last year where we ended catching someone who pulled off the job perfectly,... except he then pawned something he ordered online with scammed money, and the pawn people recorded it as matching something suspicious in their database that we had reported to the pawn network here in this state,... and bam. 48 hours later, person was caught and in jail.

    Here's the real moral. Place nice on line. Even the best of the best have nothing if they don't have a bulletproof exit strategy.

    Anyway, that's my long-winded 2 cents.

    Cheers.

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