Looking for PPC outside of Google. Don't want the junk traffic, just good, solid traffic. I know the volume is down normally outside of G, Y! and Bing, but I'll take whatever traffic possible for a few niches and am having a hard time getting a current list of PPC engines people are using these days.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Outside of Google, I've tried Microsoft AdCenter, 7Search and Bidvertiser...unfortunately none of these came even close to AdWords traffic, I'm also still searching for a decent, viable alternative.

Yeah, me too. AdCenter sucks.

Adcenter traffic does not suck as it represents roughly 30% of online traffic today. You can try media buying if PPC networks are not generating results. Then there is always Facebook PPC

i worked as a publisher with 7search and adbright before, currently using xml feeds from miva, plexious and affinity. they have decent traffic, pretty competitive cpcs, good coverage... they pay on time.. works for me

I just did a couple of test campaigns on 7Search and it was all junk traffic with no conversions.

yep, i've been trying the same 2nd tier networks adbrite, bidvertiser, 7search but they don't seem that good. where would be a good place to start with media buying? any recommendations please? thanks!

7search has a lot of shitty traffic, but there is some quality there. You just need to weed out the garbage. You can ask them to activate a feature in your account to block certain publishers from showing your ads. You can pass the publishers 7search unique pub id to your tracking platform using the ###AFFID### variable in your tracking URL, but it wont tell you shit until you have the feature enabled in your account.

once you know where the shit is coming from you just block that site. Yeah it takes some work, but if you are serious about not messing with G and Adcenter.... 7search has some good inventory in the bizopp and dating niche as well as some adult traffc, and lots of inventory for ipod and ipad and bullshit email submit keywords.

I am not praising 7search at all I have lost at least 1k on their shitty traffic, but thats how I learned. You need to really understand that platform it is really old and really unique.

Can be worth the effort, but only if you are not lazy.... which is why I am assuming most of you dont want to mess w/ google / adcenter cuz its so much work.

For what its worth.. I have made some decent ROI on it. There is a download somewhere here pay per click formula or something that goes into detail about all I just said. Its in video 8 I believe.

I am personally focused about 80% of my adspend on FB ads, and the rest on 7search and some other random banner shit.

They have lots of shitty traffic I won't deny it. But once you weed it out, you have no competitors cause everyone knows "7search sucks" and they dont use it.

yeah...aren't we all.....if anyone wants to try my PTC site for free, just sign up and drop your username in here and I'll give you 3000 credits to play with....you can get a couple thousand hits off of it for nothing.

Can't beat that now can you?

depending on your niche, bing is outstanding.
At least when it comes to dating and online retail.
The traffic is nowhere near google.

I've seen bing advertise as having 30% of search, but that has to be utter bs.
When I do a campaign on adwords and mirror it on bing, it's literally a tenth of the traffic. However, the conversion percentage is higher.

Stay away from EntireWeb SpeedyAds especially. Media buying is something I also want to consider but I don't know where to start.

yahoo and msn. not nearly the traffic but the traffic does convert

Try http://buysellads.com/ for media buying

I started using 7search too for a online retail store I have. Got great traffic, but no conversion as of now. After reading this thread, I may have to find another traffic source.

You said: "Got great traffic, but no conversion as of now" , sorry but I think that's funny.

I also found great source with Kanoodle, got thousands of clicks in minutes on debt related terms for cents each, but no conversions. LOL

No but seriously, 7 Search can be OK, but you must really drill down, I mean really drill down. You might be getting clicks on broad terms completely non related to your ad. As always try to be precise with PPC.

Originally Posted by AdisLCS

You said: "Got great traffic, but no conversion as of now" , sorry but I think that's funny.

I also found great source with Kanoodle, got thousands of clicks in minutes on debt related terms for cents each, but no conversions. LOL

No but seriously, 7 Search can be OK, but you must really drill down, I mean really drill down. You might be getting clicks on broad terms completely non related to your ad. As always try to be precise with PPC.

I didn't use broad terms. I just put up my site and got hundreds of visitors, but not one sale. Read some threads that people was complaining traffic was crap so now I have stopped my campaign. Can't afford to lose money. What's the purpose of getting tons of traffic when no one is buying.

I've had success with 7search. The bids are low. The problem is the amount of traffic isn't impressive

Originally Posted by desfigurel

Outside of Google, I've tried Microsoft AdCenter, 7Search and Bidvertiser...unfortunately none of these came even close to AdWords traffic, I'm also still searching for a decent, viable alternative.

I would try searching for content network based ad serving sites. For example, I belong to an entire network of content network ad serving admins (of their own networks).

It would be biased of me to recommend any one ad network, but they ARE out there. As for filling volume, perhaps using multiple sources isn't such a bad idea Especially with the way most networks are "clamping down" on the little guy.

I am very adamant in my own network to keep as few restrictions on advertisers and publishers (without straight scamming) as possible. After all, we are all here to make money right?

It just doesn't make sense to me when Google cancels long time clients of theirs just for an affiliate campaign they don't like etc.and then refuse payment too.


Anyway, just my .02 on the ad networks out there...

I think best GO, YA, Bi is best for PPC.
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I would say try Facebook, the traffic is good, the trick is to get it at a decent price.

Originally Posted by Johnnyfox

7search has a lot of shitty traffic, but there is some quality there. ... You can pass the publishers 7search unique pub id to your tracking platform using the ###AFFID### variable in your tracking URL, but it wont tell you shit until you have the feature enabled in your account.
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Yeah I would agree with this and add that you should be doing this STANDARDLY on any PPC campaign. Always make sure you can get the SUBID (or AFFID) passed along in within your click URLs.

That way you can optimize for whatever your goal is and cut away all the other crap that will inevitably just eat your money.