What I will be doing is to get a dentist listed in the GP.
Why am I doing this? I want to prove to myself that I can do this before I try to do it for hire. And this will help me stay on task and not quit until the goal is reach as I have a bad habit of starting internet endeavors and not finishing them. Hopefully this will be of help to any of you that are also interested in this method.

How it began....last Friday after I finished cleaning Dr. M's carpets at his house he asked me if I get any business from the internet and our conversation ended with me promising him that I will get him on the first page of Big G with a GP listing and I will create a website for him (he's got neither). I've got some experience with GP as I was able to get my carpet cleaning listing to rank in GP but that was some years ago and as we all know GP has gone through a lot of changes and is probably still evolving. Which means I've got to learn some new chops if I want to do GP successfully today.

First thing I did was see if an EMD was available and dentistcity.org was still available so I grabbed that over the weekend. Although I don't think an EMD is all that important to get into GP. I'll be able to use the url when I create the citations.

Next I'm going to create his GP listing so to get the postcard verification sent out right away. I'm not sure if phone verification is still available anymore, if it is I'll go that route. I'll try to get this done tonight.

I may reveal the city as I don't see any harm in doing that, unless someone comes up with a compelling reason not to. G keyword tool says there is 3600 monthly searches for dentist city so he should get some leads if I can get his GP listing to rank at or near the top. If I can make that happen then it should be a piece of cake to get him to pay me for this.

Edit:
An auto generated listing exits and so phone verification is available. I'm not going to update the listing now until I notify his office to expect the phone call.

From my understanding.....you can get the phone verification IF the business already exists in GP. A good way to get them to appear automatically on GP is to create a good amount of citations on big sites like yelp, yellow pages, merchant circle etc. Then Big G will pick it up and add it.

Just got to make sure to ping those citation pages so they get indexed.

I've yet to try it, but I am on my way there given that I'm building a site for my future Local SEO business

Good luck buddy!

You might want to think about creating citations first before creating his GP listing. I find things flow much better doing that first. Good luck, will be watching!

from my test on google with places it seems if you can get a good directory with say doctor and you have the same words on your site it works wonders im bouncing about a little my self but starting too see some major improvements over time i did not actualy know untill tonight there was loads of competition i have a feeling as well video you have to have at least five and you will kill the competition i have moved from page 14 to page 7 in about two to three weeks putting on facebook seems to have really moved it good luck

Today I didn't have time to get the GP listing verified by phone. I did manage to create citations at kudzu and superpages and when they start showing up I'll ping them. It was a time consuming task, not difficult but just drudgery. I'm going to do just a few at a time so I don't get to a point where I'm going to hate doing them.

It's kind of strange that the auto generated GP listing doesn't show up in the search results at all. Maybe after verification it'll show up.

go to wlmarketing.com and order local business listings. at least do the miminum package of 35 although if you can do 100 it's recommended. they'll create a lot of citations, including the big review sites you need right now.

Originally Posted by jeffnaz

go to wlmarketing.com and order local business listings. at least do the miminum package of 35 although if you can do 100 it's recommended. they'll create a lot of citations, including the big review sites you need right now.

Thanks for that suggestion. I'm considering outsourcing it since it will be a pain in the wrist to personally register at a 100 or more sites. Do you know if they can submit to a list that I provide or is that option is unavailable? Sounds like you've used their service before and was happy with their work, am I correct?

Got the phone verification done this afternoon and now Dr. M's GP listing is showing up on page 7. There's 11 pages worth so just by the verification we jumped ahead 4 pages.

I used pingfarm to ping 3 citations at insiderpages, kudzu and superpages. I'm leaning seriously toward jeffnaz's suggestion to use the services of wlmarketing.com to get 100 citation created for only $40.

Tomorrow morning I going to clean the carpets at Dr. M's office and I'll shoot a quick video of him talking about his practice. I'm planning on posting the video on youtube and put the youtube video on his website and in the GP listing.

I ordered 100 citations from wlmarketing this afternoon. They kicked my order back and placed it on hold because the website hastily created was lacking sufficient content for submission to local directories. My plan was to build out the site the next few days the same time they're doing the citations but now I'll have to move it up the schedule. So this evening I worked on getting enough propaganda on the website so they can proceed with the citations tomorrow. I came up with a sort of BH way to get some quick content. I found a site that had a layout similar to what I had in mind and did a copy and paste job just so I could get the citation work started. I'm going to spend the next few days rewriting the content so to avoid duplicate content.

The GP listing is not on page 7 anymore, in fact it has totally disappeared. Is that the Google dance happening to GP listings?

Hi radiant13,
+ repped you because:

- I am really interested in this currently
- You are looking at it from a no bs standpoint (you have an offline local business urself) and therefore this experiment should be a great one
- I want you to keep this thread up


I will be following this closely

I got sufficient content on the website to enable the citation work to start now. i sure hope I can pull this off as fast as possible cuz my cleaning business is dead in the water this week as I don't have a single job on the schedule. When a small business owner is out of work you can't collect unemployment, that just doesn't seem right. But enough whining, I'm also going to work on revamping my cleaning website to get it to rank higher and convert better. I'm going to chronicle that progress here also as a related project, one that is trying to boost an existing GP listing higher.

Originally Posted by ezlegion

Hi radiant13,
+ repped you because:

- I am really interested in this currently
- You are looking at it from a no bs standpoint (you have an offline local business urself) and therefore this experiment should be a great one
- I want you to keep this thread up


I will be following this closely

Thanks for stopping by. I'm hoping I can earn some income doing this sort thing and so are you, am I correct? I need to get this as another source of income as my cleaning business is just barely keeping me afloat.
I'm going to see this thread through and that's a promise.

You are correct however I'm real pushed time wise to get serious currently

Originally Posted by radiant13

Thanks for stopping by. I'm hoping I can earn some income doing this sort thing and so are you, am I correct? I need to get this as another source of income as my cleaning business is just barely keeping me afloat.
I'm going to see this thread through and that's a promise.

I have subscribed to this tread, interesting case study, keep it up. Have you ever used ubot studio, zenno poster, or AutoIT(free)? if so you can use these to automate citation submissions, or at least help.

whats the population of the city ur attempting to place for?

Originally Posted by NawtyAtNight

I have subscribed to this tread, interesting case study, keep it up. Have you ever used ubot studio, zenno poster, or AutoIT(free)? if so you can use these to automate citation submissions, or at least help.

No have not. I'll check them out, thanks for the lead. I started using lastpass but it only helps a small part of the whole process. I rather use my time building the website for this go around. I might even outsource that in the future if this thing takes off for me.

Originally Posted by gmarch25

whats the population of the city ur attempting to place for?

Over 74,000

There was a little glitch with my order over a wlmarketing and they didn't get it started until today after I inquired them about it. One day delay is no big since it could take over a month for the listing to get ranked by Big G.

I managed to redesign both my site and Dr. M's site. My site originally had only one page and I managed to get it to outrank sites with higher pr, but that was before GP even existed. I used to have the top position in GP but I've fallen to the bottom of the pack. One possible reason is that I'm located near the outskirts of town and have heard that G is ranking you according to how close you are to the center of town. I've added two video testimonials and one written review to my listing. I've also put those same two videos on my website. They were originally uploaded to youtube.

Hey radiant, great thread, to speed up the process you can use also roboform, however I think if you can outsource it, it's the best way to go.

Originally Posted by blackwp

Hey radiant, great thread, to speed up the process you can use also roboform, however I think if you can outsource it, it's the best way to go.

I use lastpass which is similar to roboform but it only helps automate a small part so I outsourced it to wlmarketing.

does anyone know if wlmarketing works for German directories?

Originally Posted by theag

does anyone know if wlmarketing works for German directories?

Ask them, they're very responsive.

just did that and they really have a fast response time.

for anybody interested: they have a few local business directories in Germany/Switzerland and also a few English-language directories that accept international businesses. I'm waiting for the exact numbers. In addition they have quite a few "non-local" directories for almost every country which I havent seen on the site before..

They completed the 100 citations but not without some errors. The few that I checked didn't have the website url listed. I've put an inquiry in to them about it. Next step is to gather all the citation urls and ping them using pingfarm, hope that helps G index the citations quickly. The GP listing is still not back yet, hope all these citations will make it appear again.

The GP listing is back and it's on page 4, whew, sigh of relief. Knew Big G was dancing but there's always a little nagging worry in the back of my mind wondering if I got sandboxed never to be seen again for eons. Those 100 citations should be doing their magic and keep pushing it up.

Dr. M called this morning and let on that he's pretty happy with how his website is looking and he liked the propaganda that I put on there. I'm not even close to being done with it yet so hearing his encouraging words gave me a little boost to forge ahead and keep working on it. I'm going to look for some photos that could be put on his GP listing which should help in optimization.

My carpet cleaning website currently is at the very top of page 2, basically the fourth one below the bottom on the GP seven pack. Let's see if I can get it moving. I'm going to create a press release and send it out to a bunch of press release sites and get some backlinks. The pr is to announce the redesign of my website.

I'm currently in F position on the GP seven pack. I've got a whitespark report courtesy of crosscheck here on BHW, that shows the 95 citation sites that I'm not on. I'm going to create those 95 citations and see if it will move me up.

I'm going to create a pr announcing Dr. M now has a website and send it out and get some backlinks.

That's it for this phase of the plan. There's going to many more to do in order to reach the top and it's all going to be shown here.

I'm following ur progress, you've made leaps and bounds in a short amount of time as is.

Radiant can you please share some of the pr sites you use?

Originally Posted by paulwynn

Radiant can you please share some of the pr sites you use?

Here you go

directionsmag.com
prlog.org
ideamarketers.com
bignews.biz
upvery.com
freeprnow.com
freepressrelease.com.au
prwindow.com
exactrelease.com
information-online.com
press-release.in
pressmap.de
forpressrelease.com
upranker.com
prfree.org
webnewswire.com
freepressbox.com
https:newsvine.com
beforeitsnews.com
africanewswire.net
prsync.com
freebusinesswire.com
prblue.com
only2press.com
pressreleasesfree.com
purepressrelease.com
prhwy.com
midlandfreepress.com
communique-presse.mooteur.neten
wirenewsfax.com
justprnews.com
webpublicists.com
livepr.org
webstudio.org.uk
philippinespressrelease.com
news.informationhub.co.uk
pressreleasesworld.com
freepressreleases.com
pressbox.co.uk
pressreleasecirculation.com
articlecirculation.com
newsreleaser.com
newsalbum.com
pressabout.com
sogroop.com
freeadvertisinglist.com
efreepressrelease.com
topnewspress.com
press-release-articles.com

Your doing great! I get really good rankings on gplaces with youtube videos alone-(not to mention ranking the vids themselves) did you ever get that video made?

-Make sure you optimize the video- put dentist + city like your emd really helps- in your video description

-google now picks up on banners in your youtube ad- so have dentist+ city like your emd in your tube video as well

- place your url link in the beginning of the description-

-dont go nuts on your tags- 3-5 is good-

this should put you on top-

Originally Posted by radiant13

They completed the 100 citations but not without some errors. The few that I checked didn't have the website url listed. I've put an inquiry in to them about it. Next step is to gather all the citation urls and ping them using pingfarm, hope that helps G index the citations quickly. The GP listing is still not back yet, hope all these citations will make it appear again.

Hi radiant13, finding this thread very useful

Just one question...do wlmarketing give you the logins and passwords for the sites where they create citations so you can make slightl amendments if necessary?

Originally Posted by vegas23

Hi radiant13, finding this thread very useful

Just one question...do wlmarketing give you the logins and passwords for the sites where they create citations so you can make slightl amendments if necessary?

I was wondering this as well, even though they seemed to have a few glitches I would much rather trust them then someone on Fiverr.

Totally agree, I'm just a control freak and would want the option to change anything if I needed to

Wrote the press release for my website and purchased 175 submissions which should be completed by end of the week. Took much too long to write the pr because I suck at writing, hope the next one will be quicker with the experience of the first one under my belt. I'll have Dr.'s pr written tomorrow and purchase the same 175 submissions.

The problem with my citation job from wlmarketing hasn't been resolved yet. They're still in email communication with me so there's hope yet. I hope I can use then again as their prices are very good. I think the best way to use them is to have them create citations at a list that you provide so that you can control where the citations are going to be coming from. A list of your competition's citations is the best one to start with. I'll let them have a crack at the list that I wrote about in yesterday's post once things are resolved and I'm confident it will.

Originally Posted by b1step-ahead

Your doing great! I get really good rankings on gplaces with youtube videos alone-(not to mention ranking the vids themselves) did you ever get that video made?

-Make sure you optimize the video- put dentist + city like your emd really helps- in your video description

-google now picks up on banners in your youtube ad- so have dentist+ city like your emd in your tube video as well

- place your url link in the beginning of the description-

-dont go nuts on your tags- 3-5 is good-

this should put you on top-

Thanks for the kudos. No the video didn't get done, the Dr. has personal problem to attend to and didn't have time but it will get done.

I'm not so sure youtube videos alone will get you to the top. The top three in my cleaning 7 pack has no videos, they don't even have any photos and I've got 2 yt vids but at the bottom of the pack. I did as you suggested and edited the descriptions and title of my 2 vids to include the keywords carpet cleaning+cityname and my url.

Appreciate your helpful suggestions.

Originally Posted by vegas23

Hi radiant13, finding this thread very useful

Just one question...do wlmarketing give you the logins and passwords for the sites where they create citations so you can make slightl amendments if necessary?

Yes they do, and the list can be exported to cvs/spreadsheet.
If they did their job right we shouldn't have to worry about covering their arse.

what position are you now?

How can I improve Google local listing. Need any optimization & review. Whats the process.

sounds interesting, will follow it.

Originally Posted by boom1

what position are you now?

Same as before, no change.

Originally Posted by blackhatchampion

How can I improve Google local listing. Need any optimization & review. Whats the process.

Yes the place listing need to be fully optimized and reviews is a part of it.
Am trying to figure it out as I go. Follow along and we will learn together. Others have already offered their tips.

Are the Google listings again changed? Now I see 3 regular listings and others with "+Show map with address" Seems they mixed up in the organic listings...

Originally Posted by blackhatchampion

How can I improve Google local listing. Need any optimization & review. Whats the process.

There are lots of ways to improve the listings,use citations, reviews, optimizing pictures with keywords, geo targeting photo's, videos...its a long process which is why you should be charging good money for this service...

Press release submitted to 180 sites and G shows 225 results when a search was done on the pr title in quotes. No movement in SERP yet for my site but should give it a few more days to be fair. Others have reported boost to their sites after a pr. I won't do any other link building for the next 6 days to test this method.

Got another video testimonial today after cleaning the carpets of one of my first clients from 1995. Will be posting it on ytube then to GP listing and on my site.

My cleaning GP listing move up one spot to E. But my website had dropped out of the first 100 results but hopefully that's just the G dance. A couple of the press releases are showing up as high as page 4. Once it comes back I'm going to throw a blast of blog comments at it. I want to implement one strategy at a time to see the effectiveness of each.

The Dr.'s GP listing has not move, still at bottom of page 4. Website not in top 100 results yet.