Hi everybody,

what do you think about promissing 100 visitors to a website you designed (local busines page with subdomain like plumberjohn.yourcitypumbers.com). I will add webdesign, SEO, fanpage. Plus those faked visitors for 97€ per month. what do you think?

24 month contract. Promissing them free services for last month of the contract if they wont get 100 visitors per month to that website.

Its a bastard trick but I think the promiss will work

This is why the world sucks.

I get tons of dentist that way...You can't believe how much they pay monthly to be "up there"...

Originally Posted by j3rki

Hi everybody,

what do you think about promissing 100 visitors to a website you designed (local busines page with subdomain like plumberjohn.yourcitypumbers.com). I will add webdesign, SEO, fanpage. Plus those faked visitors for 97€ per month. what do you think?

24 month contract. Promissing them free services for last month of the contract if they wont get 100 visitors per month to that website.

Its a bastard trick but I think the promiss will work

If you are going to do SEO and have a fanpage it shouldn't be hard to get those visitors...

Originally Posted by download

If you are going to do SEO and have a fanpage it shouldn't be hard to get those visitors...

Yeah. The bought visitors are just to ensure that I will not give away free services

Originally Posted by j3rki

Yeah. The bought visitors are just to ensure that I will not give away free services

You are the reason that, firstly, our industry has a bad reputation attached with it. Secondly, like someone said above, people like you are the reason the world sucks.

What you are saying you want to do is promise a client of yours one thing, then purposely fail to delivery but deliberately deceive them - therefore taking their money but providing them no value in return at all.

How much are they possibly going to be making on your services if the visitors are fake?

I can't believe you actually want them so sign a contract with you as well, because you are so greedy you want to completely fuck them over and scam them month by month.

You are a lazy piece of shit who is not willing to do any actual *work*. You're looking for the easy way out, while at the same time scamming legitimate businesses.

I hope you fail at this venture,and I hope you never get too far in life for trying to scam people so openly. GG.

EDIT: I am not sure if you meant fake visitors throughout the whole 24 month contract - if you did (which it seems like from your OP) then please refer to above.

If you are talking about only sending fake visitors on the last month of the service (the 24th month of the contract) then that's not as bad as sending them fake visitors for a whole 24 months. But.. if you cannot get them 100 visitors on the 24th month, I dare assume that month 1 through to month 23 won't get 100 visitors either. In which case, I conclude that you actually are, as I initially thought, intending on scamming them from the start.

Cool down mate!

I will offer real services, real work and results!
I do have a plan already made what and how to do things.
It will contain some blackhatplugins like likelocks but thats only good for businesses.

The faked visitors will only help me to get the full amount every month.

I offer at least 100 visitors per month to the business' site. If some serverissues will come up or any other things happen and the page will only get, lets say 65 visitors in one month. I have to give them the upcoming months for FREE. To save that, I will buy visitors. In fact there are not at least 100 visits/month.

instead of this
spead 20-25$ in buying some nice banner spot on some relevant website
they will be happy even if they recieve some less but targeted visitors.

you're on the wrong website dude, you should be on scamhatworld.com

or I will buy some adwordstraffic. 20 cent per click and it will work

what do you think:

emd.info (because .de domain are shitty. no whoisprotection)
or
emd.mywebsite.com

Originally Posted by j3rki

faked visitors for 97€ per month. what do you think?

I think you should grow up

Be honest. Most of you are faking referrers, using nonincetives for contentlockers, frame offers. Thats fraud to all advertisers. And you are talking about Im frauding for just 97€ per month? If someone is doing CPA in "blackhatstyle" right and making 100k per month.. THAT is fraud..

Rep -3

Have fun getting fired.

Originally Posted by j3rki

Cool down mate!

I will offer real services, real work and results!
I do have a plan already made what and how to do things.
It will contain some blackhatplugins like likelocks but thats only good for businesses.

The faked visitors will only help me to get the full amount every month.

I offer at least 100 visitors per month to the business' site. If some serverissues will come up or any other things happen and the page will only get, lets say 65 visitors in one month. I have to give them the upcoming months for FREE. To save that, I will buy visitors. In fact there are not at least 100 visits/month.

I apologise for being so harsh initially. It seems your ideas are still BAD, but not as bad as I initially thought with your OP. In the OP it still looks like you are not wanting to do work, but instead send fake visitors.

Since you have clarified, it now makes a little more sense - you are actually intending on doing some work.

However, you are still going about it the wrong way. Firstly, you are wanting to send them fake visitors - that's wrong, no matter if it is 100 or 50 or 20 fakies per month. The point is, you are deceiving them.

I think the real problem is in your offer. How can you possibly guarantee the # of visitors? We know that you can't *guarantee* a rank on Google, so if you can't do that - how can you guarantee traffic? Sure, you can give an estimate or an approximate - but guaranteeing is not something you should be doing.

When you make guarantees, it makes you resort to things like sending fake traffic to 'make up' for the guarantee (which it obviously isn't).

While telling a business owner you will send them guaranteed traffic might win them over initially, believe me - they will NOT be happy when they realise your guaranteed traffic does not bring them any revenue/money/new clients. You need to re-work it, because you are already limiting the success of your business right from the start, with this mind set.

Why don't you focus on guaranteeing other things, which are in your control? Things like, you will work on the SEO for X amount of keywords, or write Y amount of blog posts for them, or basically anything else that is in your control.

OR - if you must guarantee, guarantee something which you KNOW you will achieve. I have a website generating me about 90 visitors per month (local lead gen site). If I was forced to guarantee something, I would say I guarantee 20 high quality prospect visits per month. That's about 25% roughly of what I get currently for the last several months so there is no problem. I honestly wouldn't guarantee anything like that though, unless I needed to.

Further, if you really do want to guarantee - then go ahead, but keep your promise, at least. Give them the free service, if they earn it (by your promise). Deceiving people actively won't get your far.

PS: Visitors are nothing in the offline industry. Getting the visitors to call is where the money is at. What's the point in sending them 100 visitors (**real visitors**) if still not many of them call.

You should tell them you are going to give them the best chance to appear in their local area for their business related search terms, and they are likely to get calls from people looking for their service or product in their area. Then you explain to them how these leas are HOT because they're already looking for their service. At least this way it is the truth, because the leads you generate should indeed be very hot and laser targeted. No lies there, and if you do the work - it should all go as planned.

All in all, I think you need to lose the visitor guarantee - because even if you do get them the 100 visitors, they're probably going to be assuming that equals 100 callers - because they probably have no idea about conversion rates. Realistically, out of 100 semi targeted visitors you might get 5-10 calls made (going by my own experience in Dental niche initially - now I am up to around 30% conversion).

Good luck.

Just throw some adwords visitors....you're getting approx $130 from him, with $20-30 you could send him some targeted traffic plus the trust and some mouth publicity as well.
Offline businesses work more with references and if you shit on him, you'll end up in shit.

If you can't get 100 legit traffic to your client's website, you may want to reconsider a new career or read a bit more.

I own a offline business, and i will tell you straight out the door this will NOT work. It may work short term, and if you are looking for a quick injection of cash but thats about it. Businesses ultimately DONT CARE about how many unique visitors your site brings, they care about HOW MUCH MONEY you make them. That means more leads > more customers > more purchases > more money, in which you offer none of that. You will have a bad reputation, not get any referrals and have very little room in terms of expanding your business and your income. Basically, this idea has no future.

Offline marketing is a smaller world and all about networking and building a reputation. I don't think your ready for it.

You are greedy if all your doing is buy ptc or bot traffic.....

Why not just charge them 100 euros a month like your already doing and reinvest 20 euros into ppc for them and the another 30 euros into a basic linkpush for their site......than you keep 50 euros profit while doing very little work, and at the same time you have honestly helped the business. You don't have to be a thief to make money.......Also you shouldnt even be promosing a set number of visitors in stone in the 1st place, get a better sales pitch that doesnt involve a minimum set # of visitors

nice morals you have there.......

(sigh) Whatever happened to trying to add value?

Oh - and as for your "I'd only fake the traffic if there was a server issue etc" - who are you trying to kid? You got a less than positive response and now you're trying to cover your arse - it's pretty clear so let's not pretend eh?

Seriously - try to create a business, not a scam - both you and your customers will benefit more in the long run

RN

Scam is an art, so let me give you a few straight on-topic points:
1. Target scammers; target illicit, deceptive, low-value, but don't scam people who never did bad to anyone. If you're going to be the bad one for them, be their karma
2. Scapegoat yourself into legitimacy. Quickest way is to blame other service providers, so you should always present yourself as a business manager, not as the actual service provider
3. Bring in at least a few real customers; otherwise nobody will recommend you and if they will, they'll tell their friends that you're crap
4. Prepare to deal with unforeseen consequences

Just my 2 cents-

You're going straight to hell, man.

It's kind of sad that people will spend that much money for the same results they could get with $20 on ppc. :-/

Damn. Youre really setting yourself up to fail with this kind of business model, dude.

Originally Posted by j3rki

Hi everybody,

what do you think about promissing 100 visitors to a website you designed (local busines page with subdomain like plumberjohn.yourcitypumbers.com). I will add webdesign, SEO, fanpage. Plus those faked visitors for 97€ per month. what do you think?

24 month contract. Promissing them free services for last month of the contract if they wont get 100 visitors per month to that website.

Its a bastard trick but I think the promiss will work

I think you're nothing more than a scammer and the fact you're charging 97 euros a month kind of says it all really. You'll never make any real money while you're out to rip people off.

You'll end up getting some plumber breaking your legs after he finds out not 1 of those visitors actually phones him.

Pathetic and not what bhw is about.

Stuff like this makes it hard for legit businesses to get clients as they are all scared of getting burnt by that internet guy.